LA couple moves to Mexico over deportation fears

[Jezcoe]

They can't freely travel over that boarder.

So execute them?

Well then they'll be the problem. This mistake has been made before.

So what would you need a union for?

So it's not capitalism it's fascism. Fire is and we'll kill you doesn't sing like a peaceful arrangement.

Mao tried what you suggested just 50 years ago. It doesn't work.

I have this feeling that this conversation isn't happening in good faith.

 

[CLAX1911]

The Biden Administration didn't "let him in". He was in custody awaiting his asylum hearing.

No asylum for members of terrorist organizations.

The Government has presented no proof that he is a criminal or a terrorist.

It's not our governments job to determine criminal history of foreign terrorists.

Once again... why let the Government have that power?

It needs to have that power to stop terrorism of South and Central American gangs

Yes they are.

Nope

Why would you want the government to have the power to simply declare a person a terrorist and ship them to a foreign prison?

It's primary role is to protect boarders.

 

[CLAX1911]

I have this feeling that this conversation isn't happening in good faith.

You just declare things are true and expect me to just believe you.

I'm simply not believing you. If that's bad faith to you oh well.

 

[Jezcoe]

No asylum for members of terrorist organizations.

Where is the proof that Andry Hernandez Romero is part of a terrorist organization?

When did the Government present that evidence?

 

[CLAX1911]

Where is the proof that Andry Hernandez Romero is part of a terrorist organization?

Where is the proof that he was removed just because...um... Evilness or whatever?

When did the Government present that evidence?

likely before apprehending him.

 

[Jezcoe]

Where is the proof that he was removed just because...um... Evilness or whatever?

Because no proof of criminality has been presented.

likely before apprehending him.

He wasn't apprehended. He was in custody after he presented himself at a port of entry to legally enter the country on an asylum claim.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because no proof of criminality has been presented.

To who?

He wasn't apprehended. He was in custody after he presented himself at a port of entry to legally enter the country on an asylum claim.

So likely just before orders were given to transport him then.

 

[justoneman]

You don't need a doctor to amputate your foot, either, but I don't recommend it.

You do not need a lawyer to fill out the forms. Your analogy is stupid.

 

[Jezcoe]

To who?

Anyone.

So likely just before orders were given to transport him then.

Or.... how about this.

In the zeal to crack down and look tough on immigration, the Government, in it's haste sent a bunch of innocent people to a foreign prison without due process.

Could it probably be that?

 

[CLAX1911]

Anyone.

Show where it's necessary to prove anything to anyone in order to remove a foreign terrorist

Or.... how about this.

I hope this isn't just baseless claims

In the zeal to crack down and look tough on immigration, the Government, in it's haste sent a bunch of innocent people to a foreign prison without due process.

Any evidence for this?

Could it probably be that?

It's not exactly haisty

 

[Jezcoe]

Show where it's necessary to prove anything to anyone in order to remove a foreign terrorist

To a prison. Don't forget that part.

You are basically saying that the State has the power to simply declare a person is a terrorist and send them to a foreign prison.

Why would you want the State to have that power?

 

[braindrain]

It's a matter of definition. Is a mother who steals a loaf of bread so she can feed her starving child a criminal?

No it is a matter of fact.
It is against US law to enter this country illegally. If you do so you have broken that law and are a criminal.

 

[CLAX1911]

To a prison. Don't forget that part.

Like Guantanamo Bay yeah we've done that before

You are basically saying that the State has the power to simply declare a person is a terrorist and send them to a foreign prison.

If they are indeed a foreign national and a part of a terrorist organization.

So far you haven't shown that he wasn't

Why would you want the State to have that power?

To keep terrorists out of our country.

 

[Helix]

When people vote for and spend a lot of their free time defending a felon who attempted a self coup, their "law and order" rants mostly come off as ridiculous.

 

[Jezcoe]

Like Guantanamo Bay yeah we've done that before

A black mark on the US.

If they are indeed a foreign national and a part of a terrorist organization.

So far you haven't shown that he wasn't

You have it backwards.

The State has to show that he is.

To keep terrorists out of our country.

There are people that really want to be subjects of the State because the world scares them.

 

[CLAX1911]

A black mark on the US.

How because we didn't just let foreigners murder anybody they wanted?

You have it backwards.

The State has to show that he is.

Show that they didn't.

There are people that really want to be subjects of the State because the world scares them.

The government stopping foreign terrorists from just having all the opportunity they want to murder and rape whoever they want isn't being subject to the state. It's protecting Liberty.

If a terrorist just gets to murder you, you didn't have any Liberty.

 

[Jezcoe]

How because we didn't just let foreigners murder anybody they wanted?

Because they were imprisoned without a trial.

Show that they didn't.

They didn't. They did it because he has tattoos honoring his mother and father.

The government stopping foreign terrorists from just having all the opportunity they want to murder and rape whoever they want isn't being subject to the state. It's protecting Liberty.

If a terrorist just gets to murder you, you didn't have any Liberty.

The State being able to declare anyone it wants to be a terrorist or a criminal and ship them off to a foreign gulag isn't a Free State.

Liberty doesn't exist in a State like that.

I am sorry that you are too scared to live free.

 

[CLAX1911]

Because they were imprisoned without a trial.

What would they need a trial for?

They didn't. They did it because he has tattoos honoring his mother and father.

And you know all the gang tattoos better than all the people that encounter them?

The State being able to declare anyone it wants to be a terrorist

I'm not going to engage with this until you show that this happened.

Liberty doesn't exist in a State like that.

So that happened.

I am sorry that you are too scared to live free.

Free to have terrorists running around killing everyone they want?

 

[Boots]

You do not need a lawyer to fill out the forms. Your analogy is stupid.

C’est la vie.

 

[Metric Mouse]

There is a difference between a sovereign using military force to impose it's will upon a people and individuals crossing a line to make a better life.

Not everything is a nail that calls for a hammer.

"People crossing a line to make life better" is a nice way to frame the Russia/Ukraine war, I guess..

But it is consistent with your viewpoint that people should ignore borders, so points for that?

 

[Captain America]

A.M.F.

 

[Mason66]

Yes, Linares' situation is a slam-dunk for any immigration judge. If Linares can prove that he's married to his American wife, he would immediately (probably the same day) be granted permanent resident status, and then be fast-tracked to U.S. citizenship if he so desires.

These bed-wetters and pearl-clutchers on the left shouldn't be taken seriously.

They aren't really.

 

[Mason66]

I'm good friends with a guy who married a Nepalese woman - her citizenship process was not at all "easy", even though she was married to a US citizen. It took a fair amount of money, and a LOT of time. Doesn't seem like time is on the side of non-citizens, at the moment.

Yes it is a process and costs a lot of money which is something the couple in the OP didn't want to do.