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Kwanzaa...the facts behind the fraudulent "holiday"

Not really. You should read the article. This guy made stuff up and claimed it to be african, but when put to the microscope; he used the wrong language, the wrong vegetable, the wrong translation...nothing had any real origins. Unlike Christmas that has an origin in multiple religious texts as well as actual events (even if the date is misplaced). Or hanukkah for that matter.

You can look at Mormonism in the same way a Quansaa. Smith who started the religion was found out to have made up alot of stuff.
 
Sure, why wouldn't he be? What is the point of celebrating Christmas? To celebrate the birth of Jesus. God isn't worried about accuracy, but devotion. Getting the day wrong isn't important in comparison to the intent. .

Can I celebrate Christmas on 4:20 and do it by smoking weed and having sex with hookers?

The part thats wrong is saying "this is for Jesus" then doing it on a pagen holiday and diong pagen rituals.

You might as well do it on on 420 and smoke weed, at least God doesn't have a problem with weed, he obviously does with Pagen Gods and rituals though.

No one cares whether the date is right or wrong. That is the least important reason for the celebration. Rituals like midnight mass? Gathering with family? Exchanging gifts (like the wise men)?

You are so caught up in what is done, you seem to think that the why is unimportant. It really doesn't matter how you honor God and remember Jesus, just that you do

So I guess we can honor God by doing cocaine off a hookers ass.
 
Can I celebrate Christmas on 4:20 and do it by smoking weed and having sex with hookers?

The part thats wrong is saying "this is for Jesus" then doing it on a pagen holiday and diong pagen rituals.

You might as well do it on on 420 and smoke weed, at least God doesn't have a problem with weed, he obviously does with Pagen Gods and rituals though.



So I guess we can honor God by doing cocaine off a hookers ass.

Hell yes to all of this. With weed, cocaine and hookers, EVERY day is christmas!
 
Can I celebrate Christmas on 4:20 and do it by smoking weed and having sex with hookers?

The part thats wrong is saying "this is for Jesus" then doing it on a pagen holiday and diong pagen rituals.

You might as well do it on on 420 and smoke weed, at least God doesn't have a problem with weed, he obviously does with Pagen Gods and rituals though.



So I guess we can honor God by doing cocaine off a hookers ass.

Ya, that's such a level headed and accurate response. Nothing about that is over the top or misguided. Not.

Let's start first with this nonsense that Christmas is just a pagan holiday reborn: There was a vote some time in the fourth century as to when to celebrate the birth of Christ. They settled on December 25th as the day "for its cosmic symbolism". They were well aware of the pagan calendar, but outwardly stated that it did not play a part in the choice of the date. It was chosen that the Summer Solstice of the Southern Hemisphere would represent the birth of Jesus.

As for this idea that all or some of the traditions are pagan...I say so what if they are? A tradition and a symbol are what YOU make of them. NOT what someone did thousands of years ago. If pagans decorated trees in the winter to honor a god, fine. Now, the pine tree is a symbol of the holly trinity that points to the heavens in tribute.

But, the reality is that Pagans did not celebrate the winter solstice as you suggest.

With regard to a December religious feast of the sun as a god (Sol), as distinct from a solstice feast of the (re)birth of the astronomical sun, some scholars have commented that, "while the winter solstice on or around December 25 was well established in the Roman imperial calendar, there is no evidence that a religious celebration of Sol on that day antedated the celebration of Christmas".[122] "Thomas Talley has shown that, although the Emperor Aurelian's dedication of a temple to the sun god in the Campus Martius (C.E. 274) probably took place on the 'Birthday of the Invincible Sun' on December 25, the cult of the sun in pagan Rome ironically did not celebrate the winter solstice nor any of the other quarter-tense days, as one might expect."[85] The Oxford Companion to Christian Thought remarks on the uncertainty about the order of precedence between the religious celebrations of the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun and of the birthday of Jesus, stating that the hypothesis that 25 December was chosen for celebrating the birth of Jesus on the basis of the belief that his conception occurred on 25 March "potentially establishes 25 December as a Christian festival before Aurelian's decree, which, when promulgated, might have provided for the Christian feast both opportunity and challenge."[123]

Christmas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, while you try to mock and disparage Christmas as a "pagan holiday", I see your post for what it really is...religious bigotry. You want, so desperately, for Christianity to be proven a myth that you are willing to believe any rumor/story/lie that fits your predetermined view that you'll repeat these patently false talking points loudly and forcefully in a vein attempt to shame others into believing as you do.
 
"No known culture on Earth celebrates a harvest ritual of any kind in the dead of winter."

Though i don't know or care if Kwanza is as made up as festivus, this was about the moment where i realized the author of the article was a complete moron. As most educated people in the world are aware the southern hemisphere goes through the opposite time of year as the northern hemisphere. So the winter we have would be the summer in a place like Africa. In accordance with his own statement it would make sense that a culture might celebrate a agricultural event like a growing season during their summer. So the author of the article is a complete friggen moron without a clue as to the way anyone outside of his own backyard perceives the world, and for this reason I can only give him the intellectual credit i would give a two year old telling me the same thing.

In the end I don't really give a damn if it is a made up holiday. Christmas is a made up holiday on every level. If christ even existed he certainly was not born on christmas. If people are havimng fun and enjoying life while not killing or hurting others I really don't care if they are celebrating Harry potters birthday and i really hate harry potter.
 
Ya, that's such a level headed and accurate response. Nothing about that is over the top or misguided. Not.

Let's start first with this nonsense that Christmas is just a pagan holiday reborn: There was a vote some time in the fourth century as to when to celebrate the birth of Christ. They settled on December 25th as the day "for its cosmic symbolism". They were well aware of the pagan calendar, but outwardly stated that it did not play a part in the choice of the date. It was chosen that the Summer Solstice of the Southern Hemisphere would represent the birth of Jesus.

As for this idea that all or some of the traditions are pagan...I say so what if they are? A tradition and a symbol are what YOU make of them. NOT what someone did thousands of years ago. If pagans decorated trees in the winter to honor a god, fine. Now, the pine tree is a symbol of the holly trinity that points to the heavens in tribute.

But, the reality is that Pagans did not celebrate the winter solstice as you suggest.



So, while you try to mock and disparage Christmas as a "pagan holiday", I see your post for what it really is...religious bigotry. You want, so desperately, for Christianity to be proven a myth that you are willing to believe any rumor/story/lie that fits your predetermined view that you'll repeat these patently false talking points loudly and forcefully in a vein attempt to shame others into believing as you do.

really, you are continuing to argue this after missing the fact that december is summer in africa? You cannot be seriously continuing to argue after making that huge mistake. It is not possible that you are making an argument based ion an article that torpedoed your own argument. Really, you want us to celebrate christmas when the existance of christ is not even supported outside the bible, and even if he did exist the people who believe in him know he was not born on christmas. How can you maintain that argument with any seriousness? you are trolling, admit it. You are sitting over there laughing because you have made the craziest arguments out there, and people are still taking you seriously. Please help my faith in humanity here and admit you don't actually believe what you are saying here.
 
Legitimacy is in the eye of the beholder. What makes Christmas any more or less legitimate than Kwanzaa?

This, but I must also say that I seriously don't know anyone who celebrates Kwanzaa at all. It's not even bought up.
 
Ya, that's such a level headed and accurate response. Nothing about that is over the top or misguided. Not.

Why not, is smoking weed more of a sin than doing pagan rituals on a pagan day? The scriptures actually don't condemn weed at all, they DO condemn paganism.

Let's start first with this nonsense that Christmas is just a pagan holiday reborn: There was a vote some time in the fourth century as to when to celebrate the birth of Christ. They settled on December 25th as the day "for its cosmic symbolism". They were well aware of the pagan calendar, but outwardly stated that it did not play a part in the choice of the date. It was chosen that the Summer Solstice of the Southern Hemisphere would represent the birth of Jesus.

And they did that so that pagens could just do the same rituals but just pretend its about Jesus, so that vote "by constantinian christians, who by no means had a problem with corrupting scripture for political reasons," basically wanted to water down christianity so the pagens could drinkg it, so they essencially just took pagen rituals and symbols and said "now this is for Jesus," i.e. EXACTLY what the golden calf was in exedus.

As for this idea that all or some of the traditions are pagan...I say so what if they are? A tradition and a symbol are what YOU make of them. NOT what someone did thousands of years ago. If pagans decorated trees in the winter to honor a god, fine. Now, the pine tree is a symbol of the holly trinity that points to the heavens in tribute.

But, the reality is that Pagans did not celebrate the winter solstice as you suggest.

They most certainly did, and if you want to get evidence I'll post it.

But if you're ok with taking pagen rituals and a pagen holiday and claiming its for Jesus, (something which the bible condemns over and over again), then I don't see why I can't celebrate Christmas on 4:20 and do it by smoking weed, its infact doing it in a way that doesn't go against scripture, so its actually a BETTER way to do it.

So, while you try to mock and disparage Christmas as a "pagan holiday", I see your post for what it really is...religious bigotry. You want, so desperately, for Christianity to be proven a myth that you are willing to believe any rumor/story/lie that fits your predetermined view that you'll repeat these patently false talking points loudly and forcefully in a vein attempt to shame others into believing as you do.

It isn't religious bigotry, I AM a christian, I believe in God and that his son died for us, and so on, unlike you however, I take it seriously and try to actually live like a christian.
 
Christmas in Puritan New England

Christmas celebrations in Puritan New England (1620–1850?) were culturally and legally suppressed and thus, virtually non-existent. The Puritan community found no Scriptural justification for celebrating Christmas, and associated such celebrations with paganism and idolatry. The earliest years of the Plymouth colony were troubled with non-Puritans attempting to make merry, and Governor William Bradford was forced to reprimand offenders. English laws suppressing the holiday were enacted in the Interregnum, but repealed late in the 17th century. However, the Puritan view of Christmas and its celebration had gained cultural ascendancy in New England, and Christmas celebrations continued to be discouraged despite being legal.

Puritans heaped contempt on Christmas, Daniels writes, calling it 'Foolstide' and suppressing any attempts to celebrate it for several reasons. First, no holy days except the Sabbath were sanctioned in Scripture, second, the most egregious behaviors were exercised in its celebration (Cotton Mather railed against these behaviors), and third, December 25 was ahistorical. The Puritan argued that the selection of the date was an early Christian hijacking of a Roman festival, and to celebrate a December Christmas was to defile oneself by paying homage to a pagan custom.

Christmas was reshaped in late nineteenth century America with liberal Protestantism and spirituality, commercialism, artisanship, nostalgia, and hope becoming the day's distinguishing characteristics.

The historical reality is that Xmas as we know it today is less than 200 years old.
 
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