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Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales

hazlnut

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[h=1]Koch Brothers Flout Law With Secret Iran Sales[/h]


Will Fox cover this story?

Will the Teabaggers care that their financial benefactors are corrupt bastards do deals with Iran?

This is the definition of hypocrisy. These turkey's don't like Government regulation, AND they also don't care for a level playing field.
 
No surprise at all.. and of course they will get away with it because of who they are.
 
Wait, what? A company self regulates and reports illegal activity to the authorities as soon as it finds out and you're being critical? As though somehow a parent company should be instantaneously aware of every thing a subsidiary does? Could you drop the partisanship for the moment to actually view reality.
 

What is disturbing is that they basically fired a whistleblower.

 
obvious Child said:
What is disturbing is that they basically fired a whistleblower.
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Yes, but that was still the actions of the subsidiary. The subsidiary has acted wrongly, but to try and paint the entire company as guilty in this is ridiculous.
 
spud_meister said:
Yes, but that was still the actions of the subsidiary. The subsidiary has acted wrongly, but to try and paint the entire company as guilty in this is ridiculous.
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If it was an isolated incident.. then sure... but Koch industries and its subsidiaries have been busted time and time again over the decades for illegal activities not to mention being masters at getting government subsidies...

And the Koch Brothers are know to be very involved in all parts of their empire, so using the excuse it was a subsidiary is a load of ...
 

You must be pissed off as hell at GM and Solyndra.
 

So why did they have an investigation if they already knew about it?
 
obvious Child said:
What is disturbing is that they basically fired a whistleblower.
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The quote you offered gave absolutely NO specifics as to why this person was let go. For all you know the investigation that the parent company launched uncovered more serious crimes that this person was covering up...

What you are attempting here is as dishonest as Hazelnut's original smear in the opening post.

j-mac
 
spud_meister said:
So why did they have an investigation if they already knew about it?
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I don't alway's if ever agree with you spud, but thank you for being absolutely honest about this thread. I know you despise the Koch Bros. and would love nothing more than to see them doing something that could be legitimately used against them, but to be honest and admit this isn't it, shows an honesty in debate, and you should be commended for it.

j-mac
 
PeteEU said:
No surprise at all.. and of course they will get away with it because of who they are.
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Ken Lay got caught, convicted, and ALMOST went to jail.

He died at his ski condo. One can only hope it was painful.
 
spud_meister said:
Yes, but that was still the actions of the subsidiary. The subsidiary has acted wrongly, but to try and paint the entire company as guilty in this is ridiculous.
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It's called trickle down integrity.

The two clowns at the top are rotten to the core and therefore so is every branch of their company.
 
there ya have it folks... it's bad and evil for companies to self regulate.


I think hyperpartisanship causes brain damage... or maybe brain damage causes hyperpartisanship
 
Thrilla said:
there ya have it folks... it's bad and evil for companies to self regulate.
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A++

You get a gold star.

Except change evil to 'ANY'... companies should NEVER self-regulate.

However...

Industries can be allowed to a LIMITED amount of self-regulation. (e.g. MPAA)
 
As usual, self regulation means no regulation. The Koch Bros. are the whacko Jonh Birch Society from the 60s and 70s which they've rebranded as the Tea Party. You just can't make this sh*t up.
 
This thread needs more FOX News bashing dontcha think?
 
spud_meister said:
Yes, but that was still the actions of the subsidiary. The subsidiary has acted wrongly, but to try and paint the entire company as guilty in this is ridiculous.
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Hm...I wonder...could a company set up a subsidiary to conduct illegal activities and take the fall should it get caught?
 
CriticalThought said:
Hm...I wonder...could a company set up a subsidiary to conduct illegal activities and take the fall should it get caught?
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:lol::lol:

If they did that, they wouldn't have investigated themselves.

Does common sense just vanish when people hear the Koch name or something?
 
hazlnut said:
A++

You get a gold star.

Except change evil to 'ANY'... companies should NEVER self-regulate.

However...

Industries can be allowed to a LIMITED amount of self-regulation. (e.g. MPAA)
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So if a company finds illegal activity, they should just let it happen until the authorities find it? :lol:
 
spud_meister said:
So if a company finds illegal activity, they should just let it happen until the authorities find it? :lol:
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Sssshhhhh, you're applying logic and common sense to hazl's argument. How dare you ruin our fun! It's so much more fun to watch him dig a bigger hole with every post he makes. His arguments are insane 99% of the time and more than half bring up some "FOX News conspiracy" when FOX News isn't a part of the story. If it isn't then it's them evil 'teabaggers', 'republicons' and every other cute little twist on words he likes to use on a regular basis. Oh wait, he got in two of those digs in the OP! :lol:

His arguments are so weak that I've had to replace two keyboards from spitting my drink on them when reading his dribble. You can't blame his arguments for being weak and void of common sense as he is just following his playbook.
 
Hugh_Akston said:
This thread needs more FOX News bashing dontcha think?
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FOX does a pretty good job of bashing themselves. FOX, the news channel of those who do not want to think for themselves. If FOX did not exist, Jon Stewart would have nothing to make fun of.

Was that enough or do I need to come up with more?
 
Redress said:
FOX does a pretty good job of bashing themselves. FOX, the news channel of those who do not want to think for themselves. If FOX did not exist, Jon Stewart would have nothing to make fun of.

Was that enough or do I need to come up with more?
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Always good for a laugh Redress, always!
 
obvious Child said:
What is disturbing is that they basically fired a whistleblower.
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No, they fired an incompetent whistle blower. Egorova-Farines sued the Koch subsidiary for wrongful termination and lost. The court dismissed her case and ordered her to pay the Koch subsidiary's legal fees.

I wonder why Bloomberg didn't do an article on G.E., who was charged with the same offense by the Securities and Exchange Commission??? Could it be that they ignored G.E. because they are an Obama favorite child ???

Press Release: SEC Charges General Electric and Two Subsidiaries with FCPA Violations; 2010-133; July 27, 2010
 
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