Kindergartners in WA state to be taught 'transgenderism'

[American]

Please don't fall into this ridiculous partisan trap. Christianity is certainly well represented and accommodated. MOST Muslim accommodation isn't about discrimination towards Christianity, but about inclusiveness of Islam.

That's the problem, as a Christian I see constant complaining about little things like prayer or a verse spoken at a commencement. But people are bending over backward to make Muslims feel included. You can't exclude some and include others, and call yourself balanced. It's either all or none. And there's nothing partisan about that, unless you want to admit that there are no Christians in the Democratic Party.

 

[American]

I have a different/unique view of what schools should be teaching students. However, I stated early on that I believe that what is in the directive (and no, transsexuality is NOT there) is too complex for children that age to be taught. And, when it is taught, it's not some major part of the curriculum.

Well that's not what is shown out there in the news.

 

[Gaztopian]

Kindergarten is exactly the place to teach them that there is no one twue expression of gender. You can identify as a boy and still enjoy playing house with dolls. That is not being anti-male. Or identify as a girl, and still want to play with the toy construction trucks. These are also part of gender expression.

No, they're not; they're just personal preferences that must be left to the kid to determine.

 

[maquiscat]

Here's a List of 58 Gender Options for Facebook Users - ABC News

https://genderneutralpronoun.wordpress.com/

Does that work for zir?

First off, "you" is an appropriate pronoun regardless of what anyone is identifying as, so that is just you being a smart arise. Even your Wordpress article says nothing about the second person pronoun. And for the record, the first person pronouns also remain unchanged.

As to the ABC article, another example of shoddy writing. If you (not VanceMack specifically) are too stupid to know that MtF is the same as Male to Female, then you are too stupid to be in this debate. That is before we consider that a MtF and a transwoman Re also the same, which, BTW, I did not reduce down in my count. So my 30 number is actually high as well. And what is up with trans*? When I first saw your list, I thought that you had failed to include some kind of footnote. But in the end, most of those variations is the differ nice between wanting to be called white or Caucasian.

 

[maquiscat]

A transvestite does not identify as any gender different from their anatomy. They just like dressing in clothing of the opposite gender. Transsexuals identify as the opposite gender.

Kind of makes it harder to identify transvestite women then, doesn't it? And does a transvestite man seek out the skirt, but avoid the kilt? Given that items of fashion have shifted back and forth between the genders (such as high heels originally being for men), does the transvestite classification depend upon the era? Or does what they wear simply shift with the times?

Also, what is the difference between the transgendered and the transsexual?

 

[maquiscat]

That's the problem, as a Christian I see constant complaining about little things like prayer or a verse spoken at a commencement. But people are bending over backward to make Muslims feel included. You can't exclude some and include others, and call yourself balanced. It's either all or none. And there's nothing partisan about that, unless you want to admit that there are no Christians in the Democratic Party.

Have you seen where they will allow a Muslim prayer at a commencement but not a Christian one? And there are plenty of Christian in the Democratic Party, as well as the Libertarian, the Green, and even the Socialist parties. Simply because you don't believe that are, doesn't change their beliefs.

 

[maquiscat]

Well that's not what is shown out there in the news.

Just remember that the news outlets are, for the majority, about the ratings/sales, in order to bring in the advertisers and make money. So the more sensational they can make something to draw in viewers/readers, the better.

 

[maquiscat]

No, they're not; they're just personal preferences that must be left to the kid to determine.

Exactly. If one is a boy and prefers to play with dolls, then the other kids need to know that it is not alright to tell him he is not a boy because of that. That too is part of "gender expression".

 

[VanceMack]

First off, "you" is an appropriate pronoun regardless of what anyone is identifying as, so that is just you being a smart arise. Even your Wordpress article says nothing about the second person pronoun. And for the record, the first person pronouns also remain unchanged.

As to the ABC article, another example of shoddy writing. If you (not VanceMack specifically) are too stupid to know that MtF is the same as Male to Female, then you are too stupid to be in this debate. That is before we consider that a MtF and a transwoman Re also the same, which, BTW, I did not reduce down in my count. So my 30 number is actually high as well. And what is up with trans*? When I first saw your list, I thought that you had failed to include some kind of footnote. But in the end, most of those variations is the differ nice between wanting to be called white or Caucasian.

Yes...I was kinda counting on you getting that the zir was a joke. And yes, many of those can certainly be the same thing said differently. Yet...here we are with 58 different possibilities (and counting). Whats next? Do they also begin indoctrinating kids on transabled individuals? Transrace? Transspecies? Point is...this isnt the schools business. This is a social agenda and it WILL backfire. Parents who would not normally have made an issue of this with their kids and just let them grow up will now begin countering the bull**** that the schools will be dumping on them. The kids are going to be the ones that suffer.

 

[Socrates1]

Beginning as young as kindergarten, public school students in the state of Washington will be taught about “transgenderism” effective in the fall 2017 semester.

New LGBT-friendly changes to the Evergreen State’s health education learning standards have been applied so that instruction on “gender expression” will be mandatory for teachers to administer in their classrooms to students,according to the Daily Caller.
GOPUSA ? Kindergartners in WA state to be taught 'transgenderism'

PC dip****s gone mad !

 

[American]

Have you seen where they will allow a Muslim prayer at a commencement but not a Christian one? And there are plenty of Christian in the Democratic Party, as well as the Libertarian, the Green, and even the Socialist parties. Simply because you don't believe that are, doesn't change their beliefs.

I take the responses from people on this site as a slice of the people out there. Very few of the leftwingers on this site have ever identified as Christians or even religious, so I don't think I'm that far off.

 

[katzgar]

Beginning as young as kindergarten, public school students in the state of Washington will be taught about “transgenderism” effective in the fall 2017 semester.

New LGBT-friendly changes to the Evergreen State’s health education learning standards have been applied so that instruction on “gender expression” will be mandatory for teachers to administer in their classrooms to students,according to the Daily Caller.
GOPUSA ? Kindergartners in WA state to be taught 'transgenderism'

more made up crap eh?

 

[maquiscat]

I take the responses from people on this site as a slice of the people out there. Very few of the leftwingers on this site have ever identified as Christians or even religious, so I don't think I'm that far off.

Very few advertise it, which is an important distinction. While I myself am Chriatian, I don't bring it up very often, because it is usually irrelevant to the topic at hand. And of course there are those who make their claim that because I don't believe as they do that I am not Christian. Additionally, many who are religious, say Wiccans, don't normally advertise that either due to the bashing they get from the likes of Paleocon and others. Perception is not necessarily reality.

 

[Fishking]

I thought that the common word was transvestite, as most trans people don't actually have a sex change operation. One confusing aspect of this subject is the changing of common nomenclature, why are they constantly renaming terminology?

Transvestites just like to wear women's clothing but don't believe they are women (if the person is biological male). Transsexual just got a bad stigma so transgender is the new thing. So you can be a post or pre op transgender or you don't have to get surgery at all but you could be taking hormones or none at all. But the point still remains that that person believes they got the wrong body.

 

[Fishking]

Being in there STILL doesn't validate what the OP claims.

I don't see a difference, actually. It shouldn't be a surprise that homeschooling is on the rise and those kids perform better than those who go to public schools.

 

[American]

Very few advertise it, which is an important distinction. While I myself am Chriatian, I don't bring it up very often, because it is usually irrelevant to the topic at hand. And of course there are those who make their claim that because I don't believe as they do that I am not Christian. Additionally, many who are religious, say Wiccans, don't normally advertise that either due to the bashing they get from the likes of Paleocon and others. Perception is not necessarily reality.

You're not a leftwinger.

 

[Deuce]

No, it's hated by many who give Muslims accommodation out of fear.

Bull****. Christians can do anything Muslims can do in America. Their holidays are given more recognition than any other, their churches are more prevalent than any other, our laws reflect their values more than any other.

 

[Deuce]

That's the problem, as a Christian I see constant complaining about little things like prayer or a verse spoken at a commencement. But people are bending over backward to make Muslims feel included. You can't exclude some and include others, and call yourself balanced. It's either all or none. And there's nothing partisan about that, unless you want to admit that there are no Christians in the Democratic Party.

A lot of Islamic prayers at publicly-funded events, are there? Islamic verses in commencement speeches?

Surely they must happen constantly. Since we're constantly complaining about these little Christian things, and you say there's more accommodation for Muslims than Christians. Therefore, Islamic prayers at public school events must happen even more than Christian prayers, right? That's your claim, hmm?

You know why nobody "bends over backwards" to make Christians feel included? Because Christians are more included than anybody else in the country.

 

[maquiscat]

You're not a leftwinger.

Not a right winger either. So both sides typically put me in the opposite camp.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

That's the problem, as a Christian I see constant complaining about little things like prayer or a verse spoken at a commencement. But people are bending over backward to make Muslims feel included. You can't exclude some and include others, and call yourself balanced. It's either all or none. And there's nothing partisan about that, unless you want to admit that there are no Christians in the Democratic Party.

Of course it's partisan. The fallacy of "bending over backwards" for Muslims is just that... a fallacy. So is the attacks on Christianity. The only attacks on Christianity I see is when Christians try to use Christianity to make law. We live in a secular nation, so it would be appropriate to attack those who try to violate the separation of church and state.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Well that's not what is shown out there in the news.

The news isn't news. It's entertainment used to anger people. It's pretty worthless... which is why I pay attention to none of it. I prefer direct sources.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Kind of makes it harder to identify transvestite women then, doesn't it? And does a transvestite man seek out the skirt, but avoid the kilt? Given that items of fashion have shifted back and forth between the genders (such as high heels originally being for men), does the transvestite classification depend upon the era? Or does what they wear simply shift with the times?

The key difference, as I said, is the gender identification.

Also, what is the difference between the transgendered and the transsexual?

Transgendered, from what I have seen defined, is the generalized term of which all "alternative" forms of gender and gender expression reside under. For example, transvestites and transsexuals would both fall under the overarching term, transgendered. At least that's how I've seen it defined.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I take the responses from people on this site as a slice of the people out there. Very few of the leftwingers on this site have ever identified as Christians or even religious, so I don't think I'm that far off.

I believe you are far off. I'd imagine many of the left wingers on this site are religious. They just never use religion as part of their argument, which is different from right wingers.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I don't see a difference, actually.

Big difference. Either something is specifically included, as the OP claims, or it is not, which is reality.

It shouldn't be a surprise that homeschooling is on the rise and those kids perform better than those who go to public schools.

That's really a different discussion.

 

[American]

Of course it's partisan. The fallacy of "bending over backwards" for Muslims is just that... a fallacy. So is the attacks on Christianity. The only attacks on Christianity I see is when Christians try to use Christianity to make law. We live in a secular nation, so it would be appropriate to attack those who try to violate the separation of church and state.

I don't think we've made any Christian laws lately, so I don't understand why people act like Christians are always trying to take over