Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hillary

[Pumpkin Row]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

What did she lie about that five congressional committees, countless hearings, the US State Department, NARA and an FBI investigation couldn't find?

They did find it, they specifically asked about it, and an investigation is taking place.

"We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI," Comey told House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) during one of the hearing's opening exchanges.
Asked whether Clinton lied under oath, Comey remarked that she did not do so to the FBI.​

That's oddly specific.

"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.

"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said.

I already addressed that using a private server is not inherently illegal. I specified that what she did with it was illegal, not the fact that she used it.

Chaffetz then asked whether it was that he was just not able to prosecute it or that Clinton broke the law.

"Well, I don't want to give an overly lawyerly answer," Comey said. "The question I always look at is there evidence that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody engaged in conduct that violated a criminal statute, and my judgment here is there is not. "

Again, oddly specific. Comey was defending her by beating around the bush.​

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Careful Pumpkin Row. If you push to hard we'll have to set up "DP WIDE SUICIDE WATCH."

Don't bother, nothing of value would be lost~

 

[Glowpun]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Who do you think is pulling Assanges' strings? Got any ideas?

Answer: Trump and his minions.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Then maybe your Messiah should stop suggesting it. Just a thought. Crazy, I know. I mean, we want our allies to think they can't count on us.

If the doubts if it keep mounting, I'd look for more nations to see what Putin will do for them. That would be a hyuuuge foreign policy win.

"allies to think they can't count on us" I'm sure they've fed up with that, after having had nothing but for the last 8 years.

Not my Messiah. Given the less than desirable choices that we've been given, I choose not to vote corruption, not to vote a political elite, into the White House.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Answer: Trump and his minions.

Citation?

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

I'm truly embarrassed that Rep. Chaffetz is from my state. He is what Comey would describe as "unreasonable". If anyone should go to jail it's Chaffetz...for exposing the highly classified location of the CIA annex in Benghazi on Cspan and undermining the entire mission that Amb. Chris Stevens risked his life and died for.

Wasn't that after it had already been abandoned?

So it might not hurt to remind Chaffetz and the public just why the Benghazi mission really failed and why the US doesn't have a presence in Lybia when they needed it the most.

The better choice would have been to leave Gaddafi in place. He was already giving up all the WMDs, and hasn't bombed any airliners in years. Of course, the SoS at the time (Hillary) and Obama with their flawed judgement decided that it was better to 'lead from behind'. :roll:

And then there's Darrel Issa who released Hillary's classified emails onto the internet before they had been redacted by the State Dept. Ooopsie.

I don't know why it is...but it seems the Clinton's worst accusers are usually guilty of the same crimes, or worse, that they accuse the Clintons of. For instance, Bill Clinton's worst accusers during the Lewinski monkey trials turned out to be pedophiles, sex molesters and adulterers themselves. And then there's Chaffetz and Issa who in their zeal to nail Hillary...exposed highly classified information on TV and the internet...with malice intent.

"pedophiles, sex molesters and adulterers" All referenced in plurals, when I can only think of Dennis Hastert being charged recently. Who are the others?

And then, we'd have to take into account the many pedo-flights that Bill was on with Epstein.

Jeffrey Epstein, the “billionaire pedophile” who was accused of keeping under aged girls as sex slaves on his private island, was long known to be friendly with former President Bill Clinton. The extent of that relationship, however, has never been made clear. But new records indicate the former leader of the free world was much cozier with Epstein than originally known.

Bill Clinton Much Closer To 'Pedophile Island' Billionaire Than Previously Reported | The Daily Caller

Yeah, absolute power corrupts absolutely, as clearly seen in the political elites.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

If he said "may," it's not a big stretch to wonder where Putin got this idea that he "may" abandon our allies, is it?

Putin can bellow about anything he wants. And the anti-Trump people can float whatever fiction they can dream up.

It is rather amazing to see the explosion of these fictional screeds from the usual suspects. All part of election year antics.

Some are so out there, I wonder what made people believe anyone would actually believe them.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Not for the crime of espionage. Statutory law says proof of intent is necessary to prove guilt in a criminal trial....

6 “Mens rea” is Latin for “guilty mind” and refers to the state of mind an accused had when committing a crime. See Black’s Law Dictionary 1134–35 (10th ed. 2014). At common law, in order to secure a conviction the prosecution was required to prove two essential elements: the actus reus (or “guilty act”) and the mens rea of the accused. See United States v. Apfelbaum, 445 U.S. 115, 131 (1980) (“In the criminal law, both a culpable mens rea and a criminal actus reus are generally required for an offense to occur.”). As the Supreme Court recently reiterated in Elonis, this concept reflects the basic principle that “wrongdoing must be conscious to be criminal” and that a defendant must be “blameworthy in mind” before he can be found guilty. 135 S. Ct. at 2009. Thus, mens rea is “the rule of, rather than the exception to, … Anglo-American criminal jurisprudence.” United States v. United States Gypsum Co., 438 U.S. 422, 436 (1978) .

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mens_rea​

Mishandling of classified information, not espionage.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

You don't think that Putin is misreading Trump's bluster and demagoguing, cajoling the other NATO nations into doing their own part for NATO?

I think that's unlikely.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

I would argue otherwise Jack. It's common knowledge the US has been doing all the heavy lifting of NATO for decades. While direct payments are something like 22% of NATO's budget, according to agreements, the other spending is completely disproportionate, and other NATO members have not been living up to their obligations. Calling them out on it does not mean Trump would back out.

I would suggest the contrary is likely true. The other Nations need the United States. Getting them to take their obligations seriously would result in a stronger NATO.

Such talk only emboldens Putin.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Yeah, I'm finding it hard to believe that the US would exist NATO, and further that the US would allow NATO to collapse, especially considering that NATO may be, or already has been, called on to combat ISIS and other radical, militant Muslim extremists.

We shall see.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Such talk only emboldens Putin.

That is a possibility. Putin's push to regain Russian dominance is a precarious one. IMO, Russia is a threat more by past reputation, than by current ability. As I wrote before, it would be a mistake for Putin to think NATO is threatened by Trumps remarks. I believe it is more likely that it is strengthened.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

That is a possibility. Putin's push to regain Russian dominance is a precarious one. IMO, Russia is a threat more by past reputation, than by current ability. As I wrote before, it would be a mistake for Putin to think NATO is threatened by Trumps remarks. I believe it is more likely that it is strengthened.

The Baltic States have no margin for error.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

The Baltic States have no margin for error.

That seems to be the case Jack. If NATO is to be the deterring force it was created to be, all members need to be up to date, with the pointy part of the stick sharp and ready. That does not appear to be the case today.

Motivation may be mistaken for intent, in regards to Trumps comments.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

That seems to be the case Jack. If NATO is to be the deterring force it was created to be, all members need to be up to date, with the pointy part of the stick sharp and ready. That does not appear to be the case today.

Motivation may be mistaken for intent, in regards to Trumps comments.

In response to all this the Estonians have pointed out they have met their NATO obligations in full.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

In response to all this the Estonians have pointed out they have met their NATO obligations in full.

If that is the case, I would guess Trump wasn't referring to them.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Considering that it was Russian hackers that hacked the DNC,

Bingo. Cozy Bear (FSB) and Fancy Bear (GRU)

I think Putin is trying to make trump the winner.

Putin is manipulating information that could influence the US election

 

[rocket88]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

"allies to think they can't count on us" I'm sure they've fed up with that, after having had nothing but for the last 8 years.

So the answer is to elect someone who will really hang them out to dry?

America was great, in part, because of NATO. If he really wants to "make America great," abandoning NATO isn't the way to do it.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Putin can bellow about anything he wants. And the anti-Trump people can float whatever fiction they can dream up.

It is rather amazing to see the explosion of these fictional screeds from the usual suspects. All part of election year antics.

Some are so out there, I wonder what made people believe anyone would actually believe them.

If Trump actually said it, attributing it to him is not "fictional." Should we not take a candidate's statements into consideration, or is it a "Well...not a Republican" thing?

 

[ocean515]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

If Trump actually said it, attributing it to him is not "fictional." Should we not take a candidate's statements into consideration, or is it a "Well...not a Republican" thing?

What is fictional is the interpretation of "may".

As you admitted, it takes a stretch to covert "may" to "will". That means this change is an invention. It's a fantasy. There is no proof, it's just a unsupported opinion.

It has become SOP for people to throw out these fantastical interpretations of Trumps statements. I would guess it is in hopes of changing their meaning in order to support the propaganda that follows.

It's the silly season, so that is to be expected.

What has not been expected, at least by me, is the number of these invented narratives that have been launched. Most belong on the conspiracy thread, they are so outrageous.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

What is fictional is the interpretation of "may".

As you admitted, it takes a stretch to covert "may" to "will". That means this change is an invention. It's a fantasy. There is no proof, it's just a unsupported opinion.

It has become SOP for people to throw out these fantastical interpretations of Trumps statements. I would guess it is in hopes of changing their meaning in order to support the propaganda that follows.

It's the silly season, so that is to be expected.

What has not been expected, at least by me, is the number of these invented narratives that have been launched. Most belong on the conspiracy thread, they are so outrageous.

Then why don't you tell us what "may" means? I thought it meant that there was a possibility. Apparently not when Trump says it, because we shouldn't believe anything negative about Him.

 

[ocean515]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Then why don't you tell us what "may" means? I thought it meant that there was a possibility. Apparently not when Trump says it, because we shouldn't believe anything negative about Him.

I interpret "may" the same way you have written. But that has not been your argument. Unless I am misinterpreting your position, you appear to be arguing that "may" means "will" - the possibility being 100%.

I can't see how that could be a reasonable conclusion when there is no evidence of it being true. Therefore, to me, it's just an opinion.

I disagree with the opinion by offering an opinion of my own. I will continue to defend my opinion on the matter, as I believe the evidence is stronger for it.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

What evidence is there that the FBI didn't see those emails? According to Comey, the FBI had access to all of them, and when badgered by congress about this phrase indicating the removal of "classification" prior to sending, he explained to congress exactly what I said... that the State Dept. policy is and for all intents and purposes always has been to remove classified information before resending the rest of the document to an unsecure server. That is exactly what Clinton was requesting, and according to Comey, exactly what was done.

Maybe you're correct. I'm not trying to say otherwise. I'm just saying that it appears that WikiLeaks is saying otherwise. We should see for sure over the next few days.

 

[rocket88]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

I interpret "may" the same way you have written. But that has not been your argument. Unless I am misinterpreting your position, you appear to be arguing that "may" means "will" - the possibility being 100%.

I can't see how that could be a reasonable conclusion when there is no evidence of it being true. Therefore, to me, it's just an opinion.

I disagree with the opinion by offering an opinion of my own. I will continue to defend my opinion on the matter, as I believe the evidence is stronger for it.

I'm not arguing it's 100%, what I'm arguing is that even floating out the possibility severely weakens America's position in foreign affairs. I'm arguing that saying it's "possible" is probably where Putin gets the idea that it's "possible."

 

[chuckiechan]

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Putin sees Trump as someone who might abandon his NATO obligations.

And he sees Hillary as some who is owned.