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Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hillary

Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

The law and judicial precedent says it is.


Precedent? Yes. Law? Not necessarily. "Gross negligence" would seem to be intent-free.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

The articles about the emails are showing some pretty mundane stuff and then attaching a lot of spin and meaning that isn't there. So far I haven't seen anything that will bring down the house.

Did you read this sentence in the OP?

"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hillary Clinton".​

When I read a sentence that claims "his NEXT will", I take that to mean the "NEXT" being referred to hasn't happened yet.

You seem to know what is in these "NEXT" emails, even though they haven't been released. How do you know that?
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Did you read this sentence in the OP?

"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hillary Clinton".​

When I read a sentence that claims "his NEXT will", I take that to mean the "NEXT" being referred to hasn't happened yet.

You seem to know what is in these "NEXT" emails, even though they haven't been released. How do you know that?

To be timed with the Sunday morning talk shows, perhaps?
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

So when are these going to happen? Before or after he gets a pay off from the clintons?


Sent from my grapefruit using smoke signals.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

http://silenceisconsent.net/breakin...illary-clinton/#sthash.y2hjscEV.XlUBeoXU.dpbs

Not much detail and leaving aside the Comey and Lynch speed bumps, this does sound interesting on its' face given the hacked DNC emails already released.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hillary Clinton.

In a recent interview with ITV, Assange said the whistleblowing website will soon be leaking documents that will provide “enough evidence” for the Department of Justice to indict the presumptive Democratic nominee.

I think Julian Assange is blowing his WikiLeaks horn, as it seems to me that it's struggling for relevance after an initial spate of high profile leaks.

I rather doubt that anything that WikiLeaks can reveal wasn't already found by the FBI investigation, and possibly squashed by either Lynch, or the administration or Obama.

Don't get me wrong. If it happens and Hillary is indicted, I wont' shed a tear. I might even possibly start believing that 'too big to jail' isn't just some stupid misdirecting slogan for the idiot masses to consume and that there might even be a shred of integrity left in the US criminal justice system.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Many have said, if she is going to get indicted, it won't be over emails or benghazi. It will be something Clinton Foundation related. It feels like those times you imagine winning the lottery and what you would do with the money, but I can't help but play the "What if?" game. What if....something came out that made her sure to lose the general election?

Well, after having digested the previous email dump and stewed on the apparent fact that the DNC machine, contrary to it's own rules, was pulling for Shillary from the very beginning and running on all 8 cylinders while doing it. A lot of people are considering that maybe he would have won a fair contest. Now we get another dump friday, with more showing how they came up with attack strategies, at a time they were publicly demanding he back of his attacks and keep it civil in the party. Practically directing the media. If she is indicted or excluded in the next week, the DNC will have no choice but Bernie. Being so last minute, and with all that we've seen these last few weeks suggesting he either should have either lost a nail biter or won, the DNC won't have a chance to play Biden, or Bloomberg. Anyone the DNC reaches for who isn't Bernie will be seen as a puppet for a corrupt establishment, and Bernie would be perfectly justified in running 3rd party and have very good odds on election day. The timing can't be coincidental, and if I held the cards Assange claims he has next to the ones he's played already, I'd play them out the same way if I didn't want her as POTUS.

Here's for hoping!

Agreed. I won't be over Benghazi, but the Clinton Foundation slush fund.

Agreed. The leak of the DNC hacked emails are sure to anger many, if not all, of the Bernie supporters, but I really don't think that it'll move froward fast enough to have any sort of significant impact on the pending presidential election. Who knows, it may be president Kaine yet.

Agreed. Here's for hoping.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Well, I am not a Hillary supporter and I think that had she been anyone else she would have been indicted on the evidence already made public.

Having said that, I prefer to wait and see what Mr. Assange's evidence actually is. To be honest, whatever it is I doubt any action will be taken against her at this point in the campaign.

I think you're 100% correct.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Considering that it was Russian hackers that hacked the DNC, I think Putin is trying to make trump the winner.

You think perhaps that Putin sees Trump as someone that won't continue to set the Middle East on fire with bad decisions?
Perhaps someone he can make a decent deal (compromise) with?
Or perhaps someone that he thinks Trump is someone that he can as easily out maneuver as Obama?
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

To be timed with the Sunday morning talk shows, perhaps?

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

In the event that they run out of things to talk about at the DEM Convention in Philadelphia next week, this could serve as a conversation starter, I guess... :mrgreen:
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla


Hello, Governess, it's nice to meet you~

First, Comey was right, she did not break the law by using a private server, that much is accurate. Where she broke the law was how she used it, and what she did with it after.
http://image.prntscr.com/image/26ec36fb4e1a4982a59ea2f2a8871f9a.png
When you're using a private server, though, you're required to forward your emails for record keeping. She didn't do this, instead, she kept them private until specifically asked. Even then, she sent only some of the emails, and deleted the rest.
http://image.prntscr.com/image/56dc24275b37495a805097e82c32f657.png
Federal Records Act of 1950 - The IT Law Wiki - Wikia
They are legally defined as Federal Records.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/3106
When you are considering destroying a Federal Record, you have to notify the archivist first, who initiates the action through the Attorney General.

She chose not to notify the Archivist or the Attorney General. She just deleted the emails, some of which were work related, and thereby Federal Records.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1519
She did so while under investigation, and even if she didn't, it's still against the law. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
If it was by accident, it's still against the law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
She also shared Classified information, also against the law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
She also claimed that she had not shared classified information.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621
She also dismantled and tried to hide her server.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1623
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1746
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/152
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798
And this stuff is just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more laws she broke.

And yet, with all this clearly criminal actions Hillary took, the FBI still recommended that prosecution shouldn't proceed.

Is there really any doubt the fix was in?
Is there really any doubt that Hillary appears to be to big to jail?

Given all this, is it still very much baffling that so many would still vote her into POTUS.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Unlike you right wing types, who are so tolerant and understanding of opposing ideas.:lamo

We saw that at the recently concluded convention, which reminded anybody with a sense of history of the Nuremburg rallies of the 1930's. Same fanaticism, same cult like devotion to their God.

Yeah, pretty easy to tell that liberal / progressive are intolerant. All you have to listen for is an opposing point of view, and their unfounded accusation of racist / bigot / homophobe / islamophobe. It's really starting to get terribly predictable.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Did you prefer the chants of 'shoot her' or 'throw her in jail' at the convention? I'm guessing you're in the 'shoot her' crowd. And yeah, we've already seen the soft spot Trumpies have for the Heil salute. Nuremberg is a great analogy. Just submit 'Jews' for 'Clinton' and it would be hard to tell them apart.

I heard chants of 'guilty' and 'jail her', but I'm not sure I heard chants of 'shoot her'. Can you cite that from a reliable source?
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

You think perhaps that Putin sees Trump as someone that won't continue to set the Middle East on fire with bad decisions?
Perhaps someone he can make a decent deal (compromise) with?
Or perhaps someone that he thinks Trump is someone that he can as easily out maneuver as Obama?

Putin sees Trump as someone who might abandon his NATO obligations.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Looks like a Godwin violation to me. On his worst day Trump is Huey Long, not Adolph Hitler.

Huey Pierce Long Jr. (August 30, 1893 – September 10, 1935), nicknamed The Kingfish, was an American politician who served as the 40th Governor of Louisiana from 1928 to 1932 and as a member of the United States Senate from 1932 until his assassination in 1935. A Democrat, he was an outspoken populist who denounced the rich and the banks, and called for "Share our Wealth." As the political boss of the state he commanded wide networks of supporters and was willing to take forceful action. He established the political prominence of the Long family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long

Not sure I see the Huey Long comparison. Can you please elaborate on that? What are your thoughts on this?
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

In the event that they run out of things to talk about at the DEM Convention in Philadelphia next week, this could serve as a conversation starter, I guess... :mrgreen:

Greetings, Polgara.:2wave:

That's a wonderful insight!:thumbs:
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Putin sees Trump as someone who might abandon his NATO obligations.

I think Putin would be making a big mistake if that is the case.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Not sure I see the Huey Long comparison. Can you please elaborate on that? What are your thoughts on this?

Insurgent, anti-free trade, man of the people with a hint of potential violence. Fighting for the little guy against powerful elites.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

You think perhaps that Putin sees Trump as someone that won't continue to set the Middle East on fire with bad decisions?
Perhaps someone he can make a decent deal (compromise) with?
Or perhaps someone that he thinks Trump is someone that he can as easily out maneuver as Obama?

Herr Trumph has always dreamed of putting a Trumph Tower in Moscow and his comments about NATO just might get it done. He doesn't need any maneuvering, he is firmly in Putin's pocket. They are like 2 peas in a pod. Keep you populace scared to death so you can pick their pockets. His campaign manager has already worked with Pro-Putin elements in the Ukraine.

For almost four decades, Donald Trump’s newly installed senior campaign adviser, Paul Manafort, has managed to juggle two different worlds: well known during US election season as a shrewd and tough political operative, he also boasts a hefty résumé as a consultant to or lobbyist for controversial foreign leaders and oligarchs with unsavory reputations.

The controversial clients Manafort has represented have paid him and his firms millions of dollars and form a who’s who of authoritarian leaders and scandal-plagued businessmen in Ukraine, Russia, the Philippines and more. On some occasions, Manafort has become involved in business deals that have sparked litigation and allegations of impropriety.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/27/paul-manafort-donald-trump-campaign-past-clients
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

I think Putin would be making a big mistake if that is the case.

Trump has basically said so himself.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Considering that it was Russian hackers that hacked the DNC, I think Putin is trying to make trump the winner.

Go Putin WOOT!!
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Good. Couldn't be happier.
 
Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Precedent? Yes. Law? Not necessarily. "Gross negligence" would seem to be intent-free.

Not for the crime of espionage. Statutory law says proof of intent is necessary to prove guilt in a criminal trial....


6 “Mens rea” is Latin for “guilty mind” and refers to the state of mind an accused had when committing a crime. See Black’s Law Dictionary 1134–35 (10th ed. 2014). At common law, in order to secure a conviction the prosecution was required to prove two essential elements: the actus reus (or “guilty act”) and the mens rea of the accused. See United States v. Apfelbaum, 445 U.S. 115, 131 (1980) (“In the criminal law, both a culpable mens rea and a criminal actus reus are generally required for an offense to occur.”). As the Supreme Court recently reiterated in Elonis, this concept reflects the basic principle that “wrongdoing must be conscious to be criminal” and that a defendant must be “blameworthy in mind” before he can be found guilty. 135 S. Ct. at 2009. Thus, mens rea is “the rule of, rather than the exception to, … Anglo-American criminal jurisprudence.” United States v. United States Gypsum Co., 438 U.S. 422, 436 (1978) .

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mens_rea
 
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Re: Julian Assange says his next leak will virtually guarantee an indictment of Hilla

Putin sees Trump as someone who might abandon his NATO obligations.

You don't think that Putin is misreading Trump's bluster and demagoguing, cajoling the other NATO nations into doing their own part for NATO?

Herr Trumph has always dreamed of putting a Trumph Tower in Moscow and his comments about NATO just might get it done. He doesn't need any maneuvering, he is firmly in Putin's pocket. They are like 2 peas in a pod. Keep you populace scared to death so you can pick their pockets. His campaign manager has already worked with Pro-Putin elements in the Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/27/paul-manafort-donald-trump-campaign-past-clients

Hmm. Yeah, I can see where Trump, as a real estate magnet, would love to put up a Trump tower in Moscow. It'd be the cherry on top of his banana split.

I've skimmed the Manafort piece, sounds like he's almost as dirty as Hill and Bill, or it's little more than a hit piece, so I don't know about that, but still willing to keep an open mind about that.
 
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