Judge dismisses conspiracy charges against DeLay

[aps]

No problem and its going to torque you jaws when the charges against delay are tossed out....I can't wait.........

I cannot wait until they aren't tossed out and wipe the arrogant smile off your face (figuratively).

 

[cnredd]

No problem and its going to torque you jaws when the charges against delay are tossed out....I can't wait.........

I cannot wait until they aren't tossed out and wipe the arrogant smile off your face (figuratively).

Navy Pride's comment was on the bottom of the last page...I was thinking of responding when I paged over and saw aps's comment...

So I'll address them both...This is purely from a forum member standpoint and not a Moderator...

This is truly sad commentary on both sides...

It seems the actual case is being pushed back in favor of perceived political gain, when, in actuality, the country has nothing positive from any outcome here...Gaining this political capitol inspite of the country sends a clear message to the forum that neither here are interested in any facts of the case...This is just an attempt to play "in-your-face" and make yourselves feel better at the other's expense...

I've said this previously on this forum(paraphrasing)...

There are two ways to win...

1) Be better than the other person...
2) Make the other person look worse...

It seems neither has any intention of attempting option #1...

 

[aps]

Navy Pride's comment was on the bottom of the last page...I was thinking of responding when I paged over and saw aps's comment...

So I'll address them both...This is purely from a forum member standpoint and not a Moderator...

This is truly sad commentary on both sides...

It seems the actual case is being pushed back in favor of perceived political gain, when, in actuality, the country has nothing positive from any outcome here...Gaining this political capitol inspite of the country sends a clear message to the forum that neither here are interested in any facts of the case...This is just an attempt to play "in-your-face" and make yourselves feel better at the other's expense...

I've said this previously on this forum(paraphrasing)...

There are two ways to win...

1) Be better than the other person...
2) Make the other person look worse...

It seems neither has any intention of attempting option #1...

Oooh, cnredd, I am not remotely angry, condescending, etc. when I make those comments to Navy Pride. There is no mean intention on my part, and I am guessing it's the same for Navy Pride. He and I have an excellent rapport.

But I like it when you reprimand me.

 

[cnredd]

Oooh, cnredd, I am not remotely angry, condescending, etc. when I make those comments to Navy Pride. There is no mean intention on my part, and I am guessing it's the same for Navy Pride. He and I have an excellent rapport.

But I like it when you reprimand me.

Your intention is mean, nomatter how you present it, and I'm not talking about your dialogue with another member...

It's the fact that you intentionally WANT someone to be convicted just to increase your parties standing...There has been no trial, and facts are not coming out at any pace to make any opinion anything more than wishful speculation...

The EXACT same applies to Navy Pride...with the above comments, one cannot make the equally absurd claim that a conviction will NOT be in the future...Just wishful speculation from the other side of the aisle...

If both of you had to debate each other only given the facts of this case, the whole debate would last no more than 4 posts...There simply aren't enough facts to form a logical opinion on this thing...

So this thread becomes nothing more than agenda driven drivel...(say that three times fast)...

 

[aps]

Your intention is mean, nomatter how you present it, and I'm not talking about your dialogue with another member...

It's the fact that you intentionally WANT someone to be convicted just to increase your parties standing...There has been no trial, and facts are not coming out at any pace to make any opinion anything more than wishful speculation...

The EXACT same applies to Navy Pride...with the above comments, one cannot make the equally absurd claim that a conviction will NOT be in the future...Just wishful speculation from the other side of the aisle...

If both of you had to debate each other only given the facts of this case, the whole debate would last no more than 4 posts...There simply aren't enough facts to form a logical opinion on this thing...

So this thread becomes nothing more than agenda driven drivel...(say that three times fast)...

You're right. My intention is mean towards DeLay (and other republicans). I'm sorry it bothers you, but I can't help how I feel.

 

[hipsterdufus]

No problem and its going to torque you jaws when the charges against delay are tossed out....I can't wait.........

Look - I love having DeLay around. He's such a perfect example of what's wrong with the neo-con men. Why you would go to the mattresses for this poor excuse for a politician is beyond me.

1. Violate ethics (repremanded 3 times by House Ethics Committe)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12933-2004Oct6.html

2. Does not support Separation of Church and State
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6045&abbr=pr&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1381

3. Supports forced labor camps, with forced prostitution and forced abortion in Saipan
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay/
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=647725&page=1

4. Deep links with indicted super GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7446492/site/newsweek/

5. Supreme Court will investigate illegal redistricting of congressional maps in Texas
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/12/AR2005121200415.html

 

[Navy Pride]

I cannot wait until they aren't tossed out and wipe the arrogant smile off your face (figuratively).

To bad there is no way we can make a little wager on that....

 

[Navy Pride]

Oooh, cnredd, I am not remotely angry, condescending, etc. when I make those comments to Navy Pride. There is no mean intention on my part, and I am guessing it's the same for Navy Pride. He and I have an excellent rapport.

But I like it when you reprimand me.

cnredd, aps and I are friends.. Why don't you bug someone that is really fighting?:roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

You're right. My intention is mean towards DeLay (and other republicans). I'm sorry it bothers you, but I can't help how I feel.

aps, don't let it bother you, this guy has been after me since the day I joined this forum....

 

[Conflict]

You people defending Bush's commentary are a total disappointment. I know that DeLay has nothing to do with the Valerie Plame leak. The Washington Post said it was highly unusual for a president to comment on an indictment involving a congress person.

Navy Pride, and when I say that DeLay will suffer the consequences of his actions, I am not saying he will be convicted. He has already had to step down as majority leader and his popularity has diminished in Texas (in his district). Those are the kind of consequences I am talking about, including hoping he loses his next campaign. Thus, he doesn't have to be convicted to suffer consequences.

"Oh, aps, I'm not a republican. I just write like one." :lol:

Woah. Wait a second.

Innocent until proven Guilty.

The fact that he is no longer the Majority leader is only an ethical deference at this point. It does not constitute any form of punishment.

You are right about the fact that people don't have to be convicted to suffer consequences.... that within itself should be a redflag for anyone who values their nation over their partisan belief. It is truly a sad thing to me to see both sides of majority parties so eloquently dismissing the intentions of the foundation of this nation.

 

[Conflict]

aps, don't let it bother you, this guy has been after me since the day I joined this forum....

I'm thinking there is likely a reason for that. Maybe you should read some of your posts.

 

[aps]

I'm thinking there is likely a reason for that. Maybe you should read some of your posts.

Neither Navy Pride nor I care about someone lecturing us in how we discuss issues. If someone doesn't like it, then don't read our posts.

 

[cnredd]

Neither Navy Pride nor I care about someone lecturing us in how we discuss issues. If someone doesn't like it, then don't read our posts.

As per a previous post...

This is purely from a forum member standpoint and not a Moderator...

If you would like to call it a "lecture" and try to make me out as someone trying to feel superior, go right ahead...not true, but you can think anything you'd like...

But what it actually WAS was a suggestion that you don't use wishful speculation to debate facts which are non-existant...

That makes some forum members think to themselves(I should know, cause it's how I feel)...

"Why bother debating with these two?...They're just gonna throw out partsian hope without going through the actual issues"...

Personally, I wouldn't want to debate people who need to use "buck-toothed" and "whackos" in their comments...I doubt many here do...

You both are two peas in a pod...You should start your own forum...

 

[aps]

As per a previous post...

This is purely from a forum member standpoint and not a Moderator...

If you would like to call it a "lecture" and try to make me out as someone trying to feel superior, go right ahead...not true, but you can think anything you'd like...

But what it actually WAS was a suggestion that you don't use wishful speculation to debate facts which are non-existant...

That makes some forum members think to themselves(I should know, cause it's how I feel)...

"Why bother debating with these two?...They're just gonna throw out partsian hope without going through the actual issues"...

Personally, I wouldn't want to debate people who need to use "buck-toothed" and "whackos" in their comments...I doubt many here do...

You both are two peas in a pod...You should start your own forum...

That's fine, cnredd. You don't like how I express myself--that is your prerogative. I don't mind. I can't help how I feel, and I am pretty confident in who I am and what I am about. I'm not perfect, and I think my imperfections and/or shortcomings make me human and a more interesting person.

 

[hipsterdufus]

That's fine, cnredd. You don't like how I express myself--that is your prerogative. I don't mind. I can't help how I feel, and I am pretty confident in who I am and what I am about. I'm not perfect, and I think my imperfections and/or shortcomings make me human and a more interesting person.

aps - I think people that speak truth to power and muckrakers are always going to be targets.

It doesn't bother me either - comes with the territory.

If I wasn't comfortable with my beliefs, I wouldn't debate them.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Abramoff Ready to sing like a canary

Jack Abramoff is reported to be working on a plea.

The prosecutors are said to be going after politicians involved in this lobbying scandal.

Get the popcorn.

Abramoff May Plead Guilty in Fraud Case, Person Says (Update1)
Dec. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Jack Abramoff, a Republican lobbyist at the center of a U.S. Justice Department-led investigation, may plead guilty in a Florida wire-fraud case as early as next week, a person close to the case said.

A plea may help federal prosecutors build cases against lawmakers and their staffs in both the Florida investigation and in a related probe of Abramoff's lobbying activity in Washington.

Abramoff's former business partner, Michael Scanlon, pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy to bribe members of Congress and their staffs, including Representative Robert Ney, an Ohio Republican. The probe may also involve Representative Tom DeLay, a Texas Republican and former House majority leader, who took a golfing trip to the U.K. in 2000 with Abramoff. In October, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's employees were questioned by investigators about the trip.

Another Abramoff associate, Adam Kidan, pleaded guilty last week to wire fraud in the Florida case. Abramoff and Kidan were indicted in August in connection with a $147.5 million purchase of a casino boat company.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aEcBSSz_2Xkk&refer=us

 

[Conflict]

aps - I think people that speak truth to power and muckrakers are always going to be targets.

It doesn't bother me either - comes with the territory.

If I wasn't comfortable with my beliefs, I wouldn't debate them.

I don't like Bush. I didn't like clinton. I don't like politicians in general. Where does that place me on your scale Hipfster....

I can admit that I agree with many things that you, and aps say. I am a libertarian so my political alignment can seem as somewhat of a zig zag.

Based upon this I consider myself to be a centrist... at least more centrist than right/left wingers.

This being said.... I really have never had any issue with APS. NavyPride however has been proven to be a complete extremist. Someone whom anyone can rarely speak to about anything pertaining to dissent. I have attempted to respond to him on several occassions and have been called a left wing nut... a clinton lover.. and several other unnecessary terms. I'm not whining. It's no big deal really. It does raise the question as to what is the intent of Navy Pride in posting here. I think that may be an issue for cnredd as well. I have seen behavior from NavyPride that would, if nothing else, suggest that at times his intentions here are insincere.

 

[cnredd]

This being said.... I really have never had any issue with APS. NavyPride however has been proven to be a complete extremist. Someone whom anyone can rarely speak to about anything pertaining to dissent. I have attempted to respond to him on several occassions and have been called a left wing nut... a clinton lover.. and several other unnecessary terms. I'm not whining. It's no big deal really. It does raise the question as to what is the intent of Navy Pride in posting here. I think that may be an issue for cnredd as well. I have seen behavior from NavyPride that would, if nothing else, suggest that at times his intentions here are insincere.

Yes, I am ASSUMING that you mean that I think about what Navy Pride's intent here is, and NOT my intent...

If it's confusing, I'll elaborate...

I, contrary to popular opinion, don't give a rat's ass what your political belief is...We have as many members here that suck from the Republican teat as we do from the Democratic side...That part has never been an issue...In the event that this place were to be became overrun with Republicans and the Democrats were pushed away, it would be incredibly boring...Nothing but forums where people with the same thinking slapping each other on the back and saying "I agree totally."...I'd be the first to leave...If anyone wants to live that way, I suggest you go someplace else...

But some people like to play the "party card" much like Sharpton & Jackson use the race card...They think that the reason I approach them is due to a difference of political affiliation...far from the truth...

The free flow of debate and the integrity of this forum is my only thought...You can say you like Bush, Clinton, or anybody else until you're blue in the face...It when someone start posts with comments like, "You are a clueless idiot!" or "How can you be so stupid!" that starts to bug me(and the Moderation Team in general)...

Most of the time, if you were to look at the bottom of the home page, you'll see that there are more guests here than actual members...Now if you are a guest here, and you are thinking about debating in a civilized manner, would YOU want to join a website that allows the kinds of things I've mentioned above to happen?...Doubtful...

We want this place to grow, but that won't happen if the people new here see the veterans skipping the civility part and going straight to personal attacks, abuse, and accusations based on speculation and not facts...That pushes legitimate debators away...

We've instituted a forum here called "The Basement"...Any downgrade from actual debate is to be held there, and not in the public areas...

So when you say "I think that may be an issue for cnredd as well.", I HOPE that you are referring to HOW Navy Pride debates, and NOT that my modus operandi is in any way similiar...

 

[hipsterdufus]

I don't like Bush. I didn't like clinton. I don't like politicians in general. Where does that place me on your scale Hipfster....

I can admit that I agree with many things that you, and aps say. I am a libertarian so my political alignment can seem as somewhat of a zig zag.

Based upon this I consider myself to be a centrist... at least more centrist than right/left wingers.

This being said.... I really have never had any issue with APS. NavyPride however has been proven to be a complete extremist. Someone whom anyone can rarely speak to about anything pertaining to dissent. I have attempted to respond to him on several occassions and have been called a left wing nut... a clinton lover.. and several other unnecessary terms. I'm not whining. It's no big deal really. It does raise the question as to what is the intent of Navy Pride in posting here. I think that may be an issue for cnredd as well. I have seen behavior from NavyPride that would, if nothing else, suggest that at times his intentions here are insincere.

You're a 9.5 in my book:mrgreen:

You could make it a 10 if you open up to the premise that not all politicians are full of it. - Listen to Barak Obama's speech at the DNC Convention if you need some current inspiration.

You can download it for free at audible.com

 

[Conflict]

Yes, I am ASSUMING that you mean that I think about what Navy Pride's intent here is, and NOT my intent...

If it's confusing, I'll elaborate...

I, contrary to popular opinion, don't give a rat's ass what your political belief is...We have as many members here that suck from the Republican teat as we do from the Democratic side...That part has never been an issue...In the event that this place were to be became overrun with Republicans and the Democrats were pushed away, it would be incredibly boring...Nothing but forums where people with the same thinking slapping each other on the back and saying "I agree totally."...I'd be the first to leave...If anyone wants to live that way, I suggest you go someplace else...

But some people like to play the "party card" much like Sharpton & Jackson use the race card...They think that the reason I approach them is due to a difference of political affiliation...far from the truth...

The free flow of debate and the integrity of this forum is my only thought...You can say you like Bush, Clinton, or anybody else until you're blue in the face...It when someone start posts with comments like, "You are a clueless idiot!" or "How can you be so stupid!" that starts to bug me(and the Moderation Team in general)...

Most of the time, if you were to look at the bottom of the home page, you'll see that there are more guests here than actual members...Now if you are a guest here, and you are thinking about debating in a civilized manner, would YOU want to join a website that allows the kinds of things I've mentioned above to happen?...Doubtful...

We want this place to grow, but that won't happen if the people new here see the veterans skipping the civility part and going straight to personal attacks, abuse, and accusations based on speculation and not facts...That pushes legitimate debators away...

We've instituted a forum here called "The Basement"...Any downgrade from actual debate is to be held there, and not in the public areas...

So when you say "I think that may be an issue for cnredd as well.", I HOPE that you are referring to HOW Navy Pride debates, and NOT that my modus operandi is in any way similiar...

I have nothing against your M.O. . We have gotten off to a bad start I think.....