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Journalist Eva Bartlett interviews DPR Civilians on referendum to join Russia

beefheart said:
Propaganda bullshit, Putin will roast in hell.
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After a fair trial. Not by the kangaroo courts that the western media has been running.
 

Referendums in territory occupied by foreign military are illegal.
 
anatta said:
nothing is ever legit according to the west. regardless the referendums reflect the popular support for Russia in the east
and along the southern oblasts. as is well understood
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More garbage talk.

Referendums under military occupation are illegitimate. Russia militarily occupies those territories.


Meetings Coverage

9138th Meeting (PM)

SC/15039

27 September 2022

So-Called Referenda during Armed Conflict in Ukraine ‘Illegal’, Not Expression of Popular Will, United Nations Political Affairs Chief Tells Security Council​


Delegates Condemn ‘Sham’ Annexation Polls by Russian Federation in Occupied Ukraine Territories, Call for Resumption of Peace Talks​

The so-called “referenda” conducted by de facto authorities in the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine have been held during active armed conflict in the country and cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will, the United Nations senior political and peacebuilding official told the Security Council today, as members condemned the Russian Federation’s “sham referenda”, while others called for a return to peace talks.

So-Called Referenda during Armed Conflict in Ukraine ‘Illegal’, Not Expression of Popular Will, United Nations Political Affairs Chief Tells Security Council | UN Press

The so-called “referenda” conducted by de facto authorities in the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine have been held during active armed conflict in the country and cannot be called a genuine expression of the popular will, the United Nations senior political and...
press.un.org
 

Who stated the intent was to plunder the place?

And the civil war is of Russia's making.
 
The referendum was in violation of international law.
 

Not sure what you are referring to as the 'same thing'.
 
NolanVoyd said:
The referendum was in violation of international law.
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I'm sure the UK said much the same when America was drafting its constitution. Did you agree with them too? One should always remember that what is right should always take precedence over what a given government, or group of governments decides is against their laws. As journalist and science fiction author once said:

"Law always chooses sides on the basis of enforcement power. Morality and legal niceties have little to do with it when the real question is: Who has the clout?"
 

To your question, some people in forums I have been in have. They say Russia put boots on the ground in Ukraine for its resources, for instance. The term invasion has other negative connotations as well, such as to conquer a place:

invasion — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words
www.wordnik.com

As to your second sentence, plenty of evidence that's not true. Here's 2 articles with said evidence:

The United States and Ukraine Started the War—Not Russia - CovertAction Magazine

For eight years, Ukraine terrorized the people of Eastern Ukraine with U.S. weapons but this was never reported on. Here is a timeline of events: October 2002 – “Full Spectrum Dominance” declared by the Pentagon to rule the world.January 2014 – U.S. military trainers arrive in Ukraine...
covertactionmagazine.com

Ukraine: The Mess that Victoria Nuland Made

Beyond the Smoke & Mirrors
geopolitics.co

There are others as well.
 
Higgins86 said:
Eva Bartlett the pro kremlin puppet.

Like I said in another thread you're not fooling anyone.
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Rational people tend to be on the side that is morally right.
 
Fledermaus said:
No comprede Casus Belli?

The are one on a short list of players.

Why would the US do it,?
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Here's the final 3 paragraphs on an article on the subject:

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So the offer is there to return normal gas supplies to Europe if the sanctions are lifted. With the war having passed into its most dangerous phase, there is a growing urgency to stop the war, including talk of a Saudi-led peace process in which Ukraine would cede territory to Russia in exchange for peace.

If momentum grows for a peace deal of any kind it would ruin Washington’s long-term plans to weaken Russia. It would mean Nord Stream 2 would reopen, which would help Germany and Russia, but crush U.S. aims at regime change and making Europe dependent on U.S. energy.

“I promise you, we will be able” to shut down Nord Stream 2, Biden vowed. But how would the U.S. do that if Germany became poised to reopen it?
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Source:

The Timing of the Pipeline Attack

Joe Lauria explains the timely nature behind the attack on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which is affecting Russia and Germany most.
scheerpost.com
 
lwf said:
There are Americans being detained and mistreated in Russia who have requested the aid of the United States.

Does this justify invasion?
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It's a matter of scale and geography. This whole situation is a lot more like the Republic of Texas, that voted to join the U.S., even though it had originally been Mexican territory. The U.S. accepted what amounted to the Republic of Texas' request, Mexico didn't like it and went to war with Texas, the U.S. didn't like that and booted Mexico out, as well as took more territory for Mexico's trouble. Seems that history has the same general trajectory for eastern Ukraine, just with different actors playing the part of Mexico (in this case the government in Kyiv) and the U.S. (in this case Russia). Complicating things is NATO, which Mexico definitely didn't have when it went to war with the U.S.
 

Well, let me put it this way- if a hostile foreign power (let's say China) aided and abetted communists in Canada and managed to get the Canadian government overthrown and installed a government of their own, then proceeded to wage war with part of the country that didn't go along with what amounted to a coup, do you think the U.S. would stand idly by?

And if, after the U.S. spent 8 years trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement (as if, the U.S. would have started a military operation the day after the coup in Canada, but let's pretend) while around 10,000 Canadians died, a good deal of them American expats, they put boots on the ground in the part of Canada that was not yet controlled by Canada's new communist friendly government and started retaking territory from the communist controlled part, China and others were to put crippling sanctions on the U.S., do you think the U.S. would turn tail or rue the day they decided to help Canada?
 
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First you need to ask yourself: Who is voting? 80% of the residents has fleed the areas due to the war. Another unknown numbers of people are missing, presumabe being forcibly displaced (or killed) Then, one Russian propagandanist interview someone that says it is okay. Eva Bartlett is an American Canadian activist, commentator, and blogger who has propagated conspiracy theories in connection to the Syrian civil war, most notably the disproven allegation that the White Helmets stage rescues and "recycle" children in its videos.

Instead you should read this:

Ukraine 'referendums': Soldiers go door-to-door for votes in polls

Russia is holding the self-styled referendums in parts of Ukraine it wants to claim control over.
www.bbc.com

I can assure you, that if I was living in those areas at this time I would vote yes to Russia, what choice would I have? Death? Torture?

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter... under wartime conditions, it is forbidden to hold elections, amend legislation or the Constitution, or conduct referendums.
 
Juin said:
Unless it is Nato/Eu doing the annexation or dismemberment
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Please give me an example (in modern time....)
 
Juks said:
First you need to ask yourself: Who is voting? 80% of the residents has fleed the areas due to the war.
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Where did you get that statistic? Even if true, the followup question should be, where did they flee too? I did a bit of research right now. Apparently, Russia has taken in more Ukrainian refugees than any other country, with over 1.4 million refugees taken in. Poland comes second at almost 1.2 million refugees:

How many Ukrainian refugees are there and where have they gone?

The UN says more than 12 million people have fled their homes since the Russian invasion.
www.bbc.com
 
But at the end of the day it doesn't matter... under wartime conditions, it is forbidden to hold elections, amend legislation or the Constitution, or conduct referendums.
 
Kosovo is an independent state. It is not a member of neither NATO nor the EU. It was the ethnic cleansing that made NATO intervene. NATO carried out a kind of emergency defense to stop an ongoing genocide. There has been no annexation into any European country, nor has there been any referendum or elections organized by the western countries.

But maybe you are al for genocides (as long as you are not in the target group yourself)?
 
phoenyx said:
For starters, the Donbass republics
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There ARE NO Donbas republics.

There is only Russia-occupied lands in the Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts (Donbas) of Ukraine.
 
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“Any annexation of a state’s territory by another state resulting from a threat or use of force is a violation of the U.N. Charter and of international law.” -- United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres on 9/22/22.
 
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