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Jon Stewart: Why is Everyone Still Ignoring Ron Paul?

Hey!! What happened??

As soon as I posted proof that Ron Paul used the phrase "government money" to describe govt grants, all the dishonest rightwingers who were accusing me of lying fled the scene :shrug:

And Ron Paul is a hypocrit for arguing that taking "government money" leads to the govt control of private orgs, while at the same time lobbying the govt to give money to private orgs
 
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Oh God! How dare a corporation have an opinion on who should be the President! Why...why...why...someone should hang for this!

Stranger still that a gigantic corporation would like a right wing, poorly educated, anti-union, anti-minimum wage lunatic like Perry. Who would have ever figured that one out?

As has been mentioned, 'Rick Perry, the Candidate for all of you who considered George Bush too Cerebral".
 
It's funny how everyone claims they want politicians to quit lying and then dismiss the one candidate that won't.


That is right on the mark perry and very true...in Ron Pauls case its the honest politician with some insane ridiculous ideas...like legalizing heroin and cocaine..just for starters...so when you say hes honest and he is...you need to say hes also nuts
 
That is right on the mark perry and very true...in Ron Pauls case its the honest politician with some insane ridiculous ideas...like legalizing heroin and cocaine..just for starters...so when you say hes honest and he is...you need to say hes also nuts

No, he's also a liar. He says that businesses shouldnt take government money (ie "Just say no to government money") because it will lead to govt control of their business, and then he turns around and lobbies the govt to give a grant to private businesses.
 
Well, the small govt Ron Paul did lambaste the stimulus package and then turned around a lobbied for stimulus money. That's not "integrity"; that's flip-flopping

I remember how Ron Paul cited the US Constitution is his objection to the government striking special coins and medals to honor American civil rights icons Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King. His toadies and sycophants slavishly twisted themselves into all sorts of pretzels in an attempt to show this had nothing to do with race or politics but was firmly based on the lack of authorization for such expenditures in the Constitution.

The Paul voted to support the striking of Boy scout coins/medals which were never intended for use as distributed money and supported the government allowing the Scouts to make lots of money from the government doing so.

The Constitution does not authorize that either.
 
The bottom line is this....if foxnews believed Paul could win, he would be on foxnews nonstop...Foxnews has ordained Perry as their choice because they believe he can win....
 
The bottom line is this....if foxnews believed Paul could win, he would be on foxnews nonstop...Foxnews has ordained Perry as their choice because they believe he can win....

That is a very accurate observation.
 
Paul had two options, have his constituents taxed and have them not see that money again, or have the taxed and have them see some of it. He was simply trying to get a return on his investment. Even if this was hypocritical, Paul would still have more integrity in his little finger than the rest of the candidates combined.
 
Paul had two options, have his constituents taxed and have them not see that money again, or have the taxed and have them see some of it. He was simply trying to get a return on his investment. Even if this was hypocritical, Paul would still have more integrity in his little finger than the rest of the candidates combined.

sure
yup
okay
whatever :roll:

and this "LIBERTARIAN" pin up boy gets elected every two years running on which ticket?

Integrity!?!?!?!?!? What a joke.
 
arc insists sangha lied at post 98
well here it is:
Then that would be Ron Pauls mistake. He's the one who's saying it
now point out the dishonesty you insist sangha committed
or being unable to do so, man up and apologize
 
Paul had two options, have his constituents taxed and have them not see that money again, or have the taxed and have them see some of it. He was simply trying to get a return on his investment. Even if this was hypocritical, Paul would still have more integrity in his little finger than the rest of the candidates combined.

No matter how many times you repeat those lies, they will still be untrue

Ron Paul has said that businesses should not take money from the govt, but then he turned around and tried to get the govt to give money to businesses.

And the money didn't come from his constituents; it was borrowed.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-02-09/just-say-no-to-government-money/
This is the major problem with basing a private business model on the receipt of government funds. This money does not come without control, or the future possibility of control. ....Money is the Trojan horse that government uses to infiltrate and infect organizations. Funding that, on the outset, is designed to strengthen and support, will bureaucratize and regulate in the end....Those tempted to join Washington’s ongoing bailout bonanza should instead take the famed advice of former First Lady Nancy Reagan on the acceptance of harmful and addictive substances and “Just Say No” to government money. This is the best protection from government control.
 
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You're right. I made the same mistake that everyone else but you made. I missed that line

My bad, but your dishonesty in claiming that my mistake was dishonest is obvious

I didn't mean to call you dishonest but just to point out a mistake you've made. I made two posts about it previously but was totally ignored. The only way to get attention was to join the conversation. Sorry about that.

Also a representative of Paul wrote this during the story.
Rachel Mills, a spokeswoman for Paul, says he considers it a responsibility to return tax dollars to his district where they were earned. “Congressman Paul votes against all appropriations bills but when appropriations are passed, it is the job of Congress and not the administration to decide how appropriated funds are to be spent,” Mills said. “Fiscal conservatives should applaud the return of tax dollars to the American people. Would conservatives rather have those dollars remain in Washington, to be doled out to projects favored by the administration instead?”

Peggy Venable, director of fiscal watchdog Americans For Prosperity in Austin, says she doesn’t understand the thinking of the Tea Party and other conservatives who believe stimulus money should be shunned. “If I were talking to Tea Party members I’d tell them, ‘You are paying for this and you can’t opt out of paying for it,’” Venable said.

“Once the stimulus passed, voters were equally burdened with the cost of paying for it,” she said. “It makes good sense, even if you didn’t vote for it to roll up your sleeves and go to work making sure those dollars are spent wisely and where they ought to be spent. I have to respectfully disagree with the Tea Party on this one.”

I guess it's how you view it. This to me seems like a grey area.

The bottom line is this....if foxnews believed Paul could win, he would be on foxnews nonstop...Foxnews has ordained Perry as their choice because they believe he can win....

Fox news doesn't want Paul to win because they think his idea on foreign policy is nuts. Fox News's method is "Bad guys will come get us unless we get them first". Fox News Analyst and media personalities all share the same idea (To be fair, Fox Business seems balance) and every other republican candidate except for Ron Paul shares this ideology. They call him a isolationist and insist on having to go to war with Iran.

To put it simply, the problem with that idea is that it completely ignore the ramifications and blowback effects of our foreign policy. Also who determines the bad guys? Do we just past judgement while ignoring our wrong doings as well? Is that justice or fair?

Then we have Iran who we don't even know have a nuclear weapon. Yet we don't rule out a pre-emptitive nuclear strike on a nation who hasn't gone to war with another country in over 100 years. And even if they did try a nuke, there whole country will be blown to kingdom-come.

I'm 100% sure if a Republican candidate other then Ron Paul wins that will have another Iraq with Iran on our hands prominently after the elections. The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think.

Last thing about Fox News... can they stop taking down polls that he wins in? They go out of there way to remove there own polls and ignore it if Ron Paul is winning. That or they report the poll but leave Ron Paul out. Don't they report and we decide? Why are they deciding for us?

That is right on the mark perry and very true...in Ron Pauls case its the honest politician with some insane ridiculous ideas...like legalizing heroin and cocaine..just for starters...so when you say hes honest and he is...you need to say hes also nuts

He wants to legalize them on the federal level and let the states decided whether to legalize it or not. Same deal like with gay marriage and marijuana. Obviously no state will ever legalize c & h but would leave it up to the people. It's in essence promoting personal liberty that government shouldn't control people personal habits nor should they.

It's also a step in the right direction in defeating our failed war on drugs. The drug cartels profit greatly from it being ban and we have over 3 million people in jail for non violent use of drugs like marijuana, heroin, etc.. These people should not be treated as hardcore criminals but as a psychical/mental health issue. The government doesn't ban alcohol or cigarette which are both as deadly and addictive so why pick and choose? (hint: $$) In contrast, we have our U.S Marines guarding opium poppy fields in Afghanistan O_o.

With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. Government shouldn't take away our liberties in exchange for security. There are other logical ways of handing it then starting wars and banning.
 
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I didn't mean to call you dishonest but just to point out a mistake you've made. I made two posts about it previously but was totally ignored. The only way to get attention was to join the conversation. Sorry about that.

That was very gracious. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and I apologize for the attack on your honesty


Also a representative of Paul wrote this during the story.


I guess it's how you view it. This to me seems like a grey area.

I can understand why taking money from the govt would seem like a grey area to some, but since RP has explicitely said that he thinks business should not take money from the govt (because it leads to govt control of their business) it is hypocritical for him to lobby for govt money.



Fox news doesn't want Paul to win because they think his idea on foreign policy is nuts. Fox News's method is "Bad guys will come get us unless we get them first". Fox News Analyst and media personalities all share the same idea (To be fair, Fox Business seems balance) and every other republican candidate except for Ron Paul shares this ideology. They call him a isolationist and insist on having to go to war with Iran.

To put it simply, the problem with that idea is that it completely ignore the ramifications and blowback effects of our foreign policy. Also who determines the bad guys? Do we just past judgement while ignoring our wrong doings as well? Is that justice or fair?

Then we have Iran who we don't even know have a nuclear weapon. Yet we don't rule out a pre-emptitive nuclear strike on a nation who hasn't gone to war with another country in over 100 years. And even if they did try a nuke, there whole country will be blown to kingdom-come.

I'm 100% sure if a Republican candidate other then Ron Paul wins that will have another Iraq with Iran on our hands prominently after the elections. The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think.

Last thing about Fox News... can they stop taking down polls that he wins in? They go out of there way to remove there own polls and ignore it if Ron Paul is winning. That or they report the poll but leave Ron Paul out. Don't they report and we decide? Why are they deciding for us?

IMO, Fox is against him, not because he cant win (if bush* could win, anyone could) but because the republican establishment is against him. The republican establishment is against RP because of his anti-corporatism and corporatism is the GOPs' bread and butter.
 
sure
yup
okay
whatever :roll:

and this "LIBERTARIAN" pin up boy gets elected every two years running on which ticket?

Integrity!?!?!?!?!? What a joke.

Coalitions in politics have been around forever. The Republican Party has had a Libertarian wing for decades. The party as a whole may ignore smaller government, but this is like saying that Blue Dogs and Progressives can't both be in the Democratic Party
 
No matter how many times you repeat those lies, they will still be untrue

Ron Paul has said that businesses should not take money from the govt, but then he turned around and tried to get the govt to give money to businesses.

And the money didn't come from his constituents; it was borrowed.

Just Say No To Government Money

Ron Paul's affiliation with this site has already been explained to you.
 
Forgot about BoA helping Perry out.





and finally to the topic



All in all, I think im starting get to pissed off more and more each day about this in general,
 
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Coalitions in politics have been around forever. The Republican Party has had a Libertarian wing for decades. The party as a whole may ignore smaller government, but this is like saying that Blue Dogs and Progressives can't both be in the Democratic Party

Yeah right. sure . whatever. 'shrug'.

The fact is that there IS NO BLUE DOG Party. The fact is that not only is there a Libertarian Party, but Ron Paul even ran for President of the USA on its ticket, got his ass handed to him where the Libertarian cannot even get one-percent of the popular vote and learned quickly that the label of LIBERTARIAN on an election ballot is about as popular as a sign of LEPER on a street beggar.
 
Great point on this 'man of integrity' continuing to run for office as a Republican when he tells us he's a Libertarian. He at least ought to have the guts of a Bernie Sanders, who states he's a Socialist and then runs for office as one.

Show some balls, Paul.
 
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Yeah right. sure . whatever. 'shrug'.

I really don't see how being passive aggressive helps you.

The fact is that there IS NO BLUE DOG Party. The fact is that not only is there a Libertarian Party, but Ron Paul even ran for President of the USA on its ticket, got his ass handed to him where the Libertarian cannot even get one-percent of the popular vote and learned quickly that the label of LIBERTARIAN on an election ballot is about as popular as a sign of LEPER on a street beggar.

There's nothing stopping Blue Dogs from starting their own party. They don't do that for the same reason Ron Paul runs as a Republican, because their election chances would plummet. We live in a two-party system. Each major party has significant room for different views, and I fail to see why running with a party that you don't see eye to eye with on everything is inherently hypocritical.
 
No matter how many times you repeat those lies, they will still be untrue

Ron Paul has said that businesses should not take money from the govt, but then he turned around and tried to get the govt to give money to businesses.

And the money didn't come from his constituents; it was borrowed.

Just Say No To Government Money

The article warns against becoming dependent on these payments, such as tax credits or subsidies. He was not referring to one time measures such as the stimulus
 
Great point on this 'man of integrity' continuing to run for office as a Republican when he tells us he's a Libertarian. He at least ought to have the guts of a Bernie Sanders, who states he's a Socialist and then runs for office as one.

Show some balls, Paul.

You should know that this is a two party system. They won't even allow him into debates or ballots if he was a third party (ex: Ralph Nadar). He also ran as a Libertarian/Independent last election and it didn't work.

He on occasion speaks out about it although it's rare if he gets a question concerning it. Hopefully if elected that he can do something about it so other candidates can at least get a chance to be heard. This process won't be change with any of the other candidates except probably him. If he does, who knows, maybe will see a socialist candidate on stage XD.

 
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The article warns against becoming dependent on these payments, such as tax credits or subsidies. He was not referring to one time measures such as the stimulus

More dishonesty. First, it was the article wasn't from Ron Paul, even though it was

Now, it's the article doesn't mention one-time measures, even though it does
 
I really don't see how being passive aggressive helps you.



There's nothing stopping Blue Dogs from starting their own party. They don't do that for the same reason Ron Paul runs as a Republican, because their election chances would plummet. We live in a two-party system. Each major party has significant room for different views, and I fail to see why running with a party that you don't see eye to eye with on everything is inherently hypocritical.

Blue Dogs are not a movement or a group the way the tea party is. The comparison is a false one.
 
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You should know that this is a two party system. They won't even allow him into debates or ballots if he was a third party (ex: Ralph Nadar). He also ran as a Libertarian/Independent last election and it didn't work.

He on occasion speaks out about it although it's rare if he gets a question concerning it. Hopefully if elected that he can do something about it so other candidates can at least get a chance to be heard. This process won't be change with any of the other candidates except probably him. If he does, who knows, maybe will see a socialist candidate on stage XD.



Gee, none of that stopped Bernie Sanders from running as a Socialist for the U.S. Senate. And winning. That's called integrity.

Nor did it stop Ross Perot. I seem to remember him participating in debates.

Let's face it - it's either a lack of guts or he wants to have his cake and eat it too. But please, let's not call this clown 'a man of integrity'. He clearly isn't.
 
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