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I know more than the approved talking pointsTell me about children transitioning before puberty begins, if you think that you know so much more.
LolI cant wait for the laughs.
I know more than the approved talking points
DuhSo then there shouldnt be men who identify as women in women's sports
That's because you doubt the existence of anything outside of the talking points.I highly doubt that you do.
Then we agree
You know nothing about the subject except to try to deflect by arguing with me about what you don't understand.That's because you doubt the existence of anything outside of the talking points.
I'm not surprised
Knowing nothing about the subject is rejecting your dogma. So the only people that can know about the subject are people that agree with you about things you insist upon.You know nothing about the subject except to try to deflect by arguing with me about what you don't understand.
Typically multiple things you would refuse to accept because it doesn't adhere to your dogma.What are you supposed sources,
other than Twitter or TikTok?
Knowing nothing about the subject is rejecting your dogma. So the only people that can know about the subject are people that agree with you about things you insist upon.
Many sources are not factual or truthful. I have a problem with conservative propaganda masquerading as fact.Therefore when you tell me I don't know anything about the subject it doesn't mean anything except for that I think for myself.
Typically multiple things you would refuse to accept because it doesn't adhere to your dogma.
Gender identity is medical science no it's not. Brain scans prove gender identity exists no they don't.What is my supposed dogma?
They're not MediCal facts.You have a problem with the medical facts of the subject because of your very binary understanding of human sexuality.
I label insisting things are factual without proving them is dogma and that's what you do.You label anything outside your beliefs as dogma in an attempt to discredit it.
You're doing that thing you always do where everything you don't like is just conservative. Like there's some boogeyman hiding under your bed.Many sources are not factual or truthful. I have a problem with conservative propaganda masquerading as fact.
Total piece of crap. Not a drop of realistic or factual data. Just a collection on idiotic bullet points. Make think Oliver created this as a satire.I just watched the entire 42 minute segment. I'll give you the cliff notes version. Please note: It is worth your time. My posts will not be as detailed as John Oliver.
Oliver's Main Points:
- Transgender females do not transition just so they can play on the female sports team. Most organizations permitting transgender females have hormonal requirements.
- All of the scientific studies of transgender females in sports have a small sample size and feature unreliable data.
- The opponents of transgender females in women's sports consistently exaggerate and mislead people.
- Riley Gaines tied Lia Thomas in a swimming competition for fifth place, and then got "embarrassed" because she wasn't allowed to stand on the 5th place podium for a photo op. After she tied for fifth, she decided to use Thomas as a means to get wealthy. If Gaines didn't tie Thomas, she would have gone to dental school.
- Lia Thomas placed 1st, 8th, and 5th in the national swimming competitions. Even she didn't dominate all of her events.
- Payton McNabb got a concussion after a transgender female spiked a volleyball in her face. But it turns out, her sporting career wasn't over and turned into a great athlete in college.
- Concussions and head injuries happen all the time in sports.
- There was a complaint filed against a transgender female San Jose State player for having an 80 mile per hour spike speed. It turns out it was only 50 miles per hour, which wasn't even near the record-holders or the fastest in the Mountain West Conference.
- No transgender females have won any scholarships to any university. In the case of the two Connecticut transgender runners, the complaint was that they stole scholarship opportunity from the other competitors, when the reverse was true.
- The number of transgender females in sports is very very small. Not every transgender female who competes, wins medals or races. States who tried to ban transgender females from women's sports fail to show any example of a transgender female dominating a single female sport within their state.
- The Right loves to use the "800 medals" stat in discussions and political debate. They claim it came from the U.N. It turns out it did not actually come from the UN, but a website which asked people submit competitions from across the world, where a transgender female beat a genetic female in an event. These events includes poker and Irish dancing. Plus, the metal counts feature duplication of events and counting a first place finish as three medals. Some of the examples submitted feature people who do not object to transgender females in women's sports.
- The debate isn't really about "fairness". Women's sports are extremely underfunded and feature poor quality fields. The Right's main objection is to deny transgender people their right to exist, and sports is their avenue for success. They do not care about women's sports or their safety.
- Youth sports are fine. They are about social development. Professional sports we need to look more into the impact.
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Which points do you disagree with exactly?Total piece of crap. Not a drop of realistic or factual data. Just a collection on idiotic bullet points. Make think Oliver created this as a satire.
Basically nonsense. Whether or not they're transitioning to compete in athletics is immaterial. They're MALES. with male body structure an fashion sense.
The world campion uS women's soccer time lost to a 15 and under boys team. Life is a potpourri of choices and we can't always get everything we want.
It's hardly propaganda to point out that the arguments being made against transgender athletes are (intentionally or otherwise) in many cases based on false or inaccurate information.I won't be watching 42 minutes of trans cult propaganda.
The dissenters never actually try to dispute anything Oliver is saying.It's hardly propaganda to point out that the arguments being made against transgender athletes are (intentionally or otherwise) in many cases based on false or inaccurate information.
Oliver is asking for compassion and compromise here. There's a suggestion out there about an open, co-ed category.If anything, should you be someone who wants to ban them from sport in some way, I would suggest it be taken as a way to make your arguments for that better.
I disputed every single point that you laid out where John Oliver was wrong and/or off-topic.The dissenters never actually try to dispute anything Oliver is saying.
Open, coed sports already exist, and that's fine. And it has nothing to do with women's sports.Oliver is asking for compassion and compromise here. There's a suggestion out there about an open, co-ed category.
Yes I do and here it is. Trans women athletes are male. Males have distinct and clear advantage and tests of strength agility and endurance over females.The dissenters never actually try to dispute anything Oliver is saying.
Transgender women most certainly are not female.My belief here is that the objection is not based on "fairness", but based on the concept that transgender women are simply men trying to pass as women.
Only if he swam and competitions that were specifically for women.If we care about fairness, then Michael Phelps should never have been eligible to win medals at the Olympics.
There is a coed category. It's co-rec as it's not education it's recreation.He has major biological advantages -- larger wingspan, larger feet which makes them like flippers.
Oliver is asking for compassion and compromise here. There's a suggestion out there about an open, co-ed category.
I hate when people use the term TRANSGENDERS because there none.
I hate when people use the term TRANSGENDERS because there none. People are transgendered. Transgender guys (female to male) also exist in equal numbers
but the trans culture war has exempted them from their hate parade.
- Lia Thomas placed 1st, 8th, and 5th in the national swimming competitions. Even she didn't dominate all of her events.
Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?When competing against men, Thomas wasn't even competitive nationally.
Sure enough, Oliver attempted to insult those who would disagree. The reason his show is a monologue is because he wants to frame the opposing argument himself rather than have to deal with whatever counterpoints come at him on the fly.
It will be niche for sure but it might be the best that can be done.You'll never get enough interest for it to work.
No I think he transitioned because he was in an autogynophile. I based that on seeing his Facebook posts.Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male?
He's a man he's not a woman he can't transition into a woman no man can. It's not possible gender identity should have no bearing whatsoever on whether you play on the girls team or the regular team.Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male?
Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
I commend you for supporting your posts and making an effort to make your formalized argument. And I'm not saying this to discourage you I'm saying it so that you know who's going to benefit and who it's a waste of time for.Did I say that?
I support all my claims in my posts.
No one cares why he transitioned. Are you really incapable of recognizing that not everything in the world revolves around the motivations and desires of The Tranzez? That there are other people in the world too, who deserve a fair competition, and who don't give a shit what Lia Thomas's motives are?Are you trying to suggest that Lia Thomas transitioned just to compete in women's sports and that after college she would return to living as male? Do you have any evidence to support that claim?
Leah Thomas didn't have to give up on swimming she could have continued to swim in the men's league. Cuz it's not exactly a men's league there doesn't need to be a men's league.No one cares why he transitioned. Are you really incapable of recognizing that not everything in the world revolves around the motivations and desires of The Tranzez? That there are other people in the world too, who deserve a fair competition, and who don't give a shit what Lia Thomas's motives are?
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