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John Kerry Makes the Case Perfectly for Going to War in Iraq in 2002

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Then: NO WAR! NO BLOOD FOR OIL! FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE F**ING FOR VIRGINITY!

Now: It’s all rather complicated! There are issues of international credibility to consider!

“What we saw in Syria last week should shock the conscience of the world,” said Kerry. “It defies any code of morality. Let me be clear: The indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. By any standard, it is inexcusable. And despite the excuses and equivocations that some have manufactured, it is undeniable.”​

I liked it better in the original Colinpowellese.

There is one difference between the two, of course:

Bush sought and received an authorization for the use of military force in Iraq from Congress, as the constitution requires. (I don’t really want to entertain the semantic argument favored by the Paulites that the piece of paper must specifically call itself a “Declaration of War.”)

Obama, of course, will be ordering US troops into harm’s way with out any such authority. He’ll do so based on his own authority.

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Source: John Kerry Makes the Case Perfectly for Going to War in Iraq in 2002 | Flopping Aces

Of course Kerry voted for the war in Iraq before he voted against it. Will he do the same now with Syria? And Americans wanted to boycott France.
 
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When I listened to Kerry today it sounded like his "Winter Soldier" speech when he backed stabbed the American soldier in the back accusing all Vietnam vets of atrocities that over 99% of use never committed.
 

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Ok, but don't defend the Bush ten year dirty war to make a point on Kerry and Obama with regards to Syria. There's much better avenues to the same end.
 

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Do you think Obama will go to Congress to get approval to attack Syria, or will he just write another Executive Order?
 

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Do you think Obama will go to Congress to get approval to attack Syria, or will he just write another Executive Order?
He will just use drones. He will invite another 9/11.
 

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Ace:
Then: NO WAR! NO BLOOD FOR OIL! FIGHTING FOR PEACE IS LIKE F**ING FOR VIRGINITY!

Now: It’s all rather complicated! There are issues of international credibility to consider!
“What we saw in Syria last week should shock the conscience of the world,” said Kerry. “It defies any code of morality. Let me be clear: The indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. By any standard, it is inexcusable. And despite the excuses and equivocations that some have manufactured, it is undeniable.”​

I liked it better in the original Colinpowellese. There is one difference between the two, of course:

Bush sought and received an authorization for the use of military force in Iraq from Congress, as the constitution requires. (I don’t really want to entertain the semantic argument favored by the Paulites that the piece of paper must specifically call itself a “Declaration of War.”)

Obama, of course, will be ordering US troops into harm’s way with out any such authority. He’ll do so based on his own authority.

Read more: John Kerry Makes the Case Perfectly for Going to War in Iraq in 2002

Source: John Kerry Makes the Case Perfectly for Going to War in Iraq in 2002 | Flopping Aces

Of course Kerry voted for the war in Iraq before he voted against it. Will he do the same now with Syria? And Americans wanted to boycott France.

Bush didn't believe he needed congressional authorization to invade Iraq at all. In fact, he was diverting resources and funding designated by congress for Afganistan and bombing Iraq for almost a year before he finally sought congressional authorization to invade Iraq.

Bush lied and violated the US constitution which is tantamount to treason in order to drag the US into that dirty little war of his....and there's no need for "semantics" because it's all very well documented from beginning to end......

Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq


John Woo builds case that executive branch doesn't need congress authorization to go to war
The Presidents Constitutional Authority to Conduct War Without Congressional Approval


Bi-partisan bill to curb Bush's executive power to go to war dies in Senate....
Context of 'October 1, 2001: Bush to Lott: ‘Derail the Biden Legislation’'

General Franks angry that Bush is going to abandon Afganistan to attack Iraq...
USATODAY.com - Iraq course set from tight White House circle

February 19, 2002: The British memos document how advanced political preparations were even more than a year before the March 2003 invasion.Gen. Franks: US Is Deploying Resources from Afghanistan to Iraq'

Early March 2002: Bush Diverts Resources from War on Terror
Bush Diverts Resources from War on Terror'

June 1-30, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 10.4 Tons of Ordnance on IraqEvents Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

Late July -September 2002: As Much as $700 Million Diverted from Afghanistan to Prepare for Invasion of Iraq
Woodward Shares War Secrets - CBS News

August 2002: Military Plans for Iraq Invasion Finalized; No Strategy for Replacing Hussein Government Given
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

August 26, 2002: White House Asserts It Can Launch War against Iraq without Congressional Approval
WH lawyers: Bush can order Iraq attack

Before September 2002: Rumsfeld Orders Commanders To Focus Aerial Strikes in Iraq on Military Communications Infrastructure
Casualties of an 'Undeclared War'

September 1-30, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 54.6 Tons of Ordnance on Iraq

September 3, 2002: Bush Attempts to Solicit Support from Skeptical Congressional Leaders for Confronting Iraq

September 10, 2002: Some Democrats Resist Push for Vote on Iraq Resolution Before Elections
Rice, Tenet brief lawmakers on Iraq

September 13, 2002: Bush Implies Democrats Cowardly by Waiting for UN Resolution on Iraq War
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

September 15, 2002: White House Economic Adviser Says Iraq Invasion Will Cost up to $200 Billion; OMB Head Says Cost Much Lower


September 15-20, 2002: Lawmaker ‘Stunned’ by Lack of Evidence for Imminent Threat from Iraq

September 19, 2002: House Democrats Present Resolution Advocating Diplomacy in Iraq
[url]http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hconres473ih/pdf/BILLS-107hconres473ih.pdf


September 23, 2002: Bush Administration Pushing to Find, Punish Leakers, Even in Congress

September 26, 2002: White House Acknowledges Iraq Not Involved in 9/11 Attacks

September 27, 2002: Kennedy Questions Administration Push for War; Media Ignores Speech
CNN.com - Kennedy counters Bush on Iraq - Sep. 27, 2002

September 28, 2002: US Presents Harsh Draft UN Resolution; Iraq, Allies Find It Unacceptable

October 1, 2002: CIA Delivers National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq to Congress; Few Lawmakers Read It
[url=http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0622-03.htm]Report Cast Doubt on Iraq-Al Qaeda Connection


October 1, 2002: Bush Rejects Bipartisan Alternative to Resolution For War

October 1, 2002: UN and Iraq Agree to Resume Inspections

October 1, 2002: Bush Rejects Bipartisan Alternative to Resolution For War
Senators threaten to rein in Bush

October 1-31, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 17.7 Tons of Ordnance on IraqEvents Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

October 2, 2002: Representative Gephardt Introduces Bush-Approved Resolution on Iraq

October 3, 2002: Four Naval Carrier Groups Head for Middle East

October 3, 2002: US, Britain Demand UN Weapons Inspectors Not Return to Iraq; Bush Threatens to Invade Without UN Approval

October 3, 2002: Byrd Speaks Out Against Drive Towards War
White House Mood Is bellicose: Senator Robert C. Byrd [October 3, 2002]

October 4, 2002: Senator Angry over Omissions in CIA White Paper

Before October 7, 2002: White House Communications Aide Shocked by Administration’s Lack of Hard Evidence Against Iraq

October 7, 2002: President Bush Argues War in Iraq is ‘Crucial to Winning the War on Terror’

October 7, 2002: Knight Ridder Reports that Many in US Government Have ‘Deep Misgivings’ about the US ‘March toward War’
Some in Bush administration have misgivings about Iraq policy | McClatchy

After October 7, 2002: Administration Neoconservatives Purge Intelligence Community of Undesirables

Before October 10, 2002: Bush Refuses to Discuss Iraq with Senators

October 10, 2002: House of Representatives Approves Authorization for Military Force (AUMF) against Iraq; Senate Follows Suit
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

October 16, 2002: President Bush Signs Congressional Resolution Authorizing Use of Force Against Iraq; Says War is a ‘Last Resort’
 
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There's nothing like a major international crisis for bringing out the partisan bullcrap. Nice thread Nazi Deathsquad!
 

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Bush didn't believe he needed congressional authorization to invade Iraq at all. In fact, he was diverting resources and funding designated by congress for Afganistan and bombing Iraq for almost a year before he finally sought congressional authorization to invade Iraq.

Bush lied and violated the US constitution which is tantamount to treason in order to drag the US into that dirty little war of his....and there's no need for "semantics" because it's all very well documented from beginning to end......
Sorry, but that's not true.

Clinton exhausted our cruise missile inventory on Iraq before Bush even took office. It was on ongoing effort because of the UN sanctions and no-fly zones.

I didn't even bother opening any links you furnished. When you come out with strait up BS, I think it would be a clear waste of time.

Please do yourself a favor before you continue with that line of accusations against president Bush.

Show us the document that ended the Iraqi war, you know... Desert Storm...

Have you seen this?


The Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm Timeline

Cease-fire takes effect, April 11.
It was a "cease fire." Not a end to the war.
 

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Of course Kerry voted for the war in Iraq before he voted against it. Will he do the same now with Syria? And Americans wanted to boycott France.
I actually have a real question for you. How do you feel about us going to war with syria? Do remember, you have made a name for yourself and this answer may come back to haunt you in the future. I am curious because you really just complained about kerry being inconsistent without actually giving an opinion on it yourself.
 

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Sorry, but that's not true.

Clinton exhausted our cruise missile inventory on Iraq before Bush even took office. It was on ongoing effort because of the UN sanctions and no-fly zones.

I didn't even bother opening any links you furnished. When you come out with strait up BS, I think it would be a clear waste of time.

Please do yourself a favor before you continue with that line of accusations against president Bush.

Show us the document that ended the Iraqi war, you know... Desert Storm...

Have you seen this?


The Operation Desert Shield/Desert Storm Timeline



It was a "cease fire." Not a end to the war.
Sorry, but it's absolutely true and I provided more than ample evidence to prove it. My post was in response to the OP and I suggest you read some of those links because they hold a lot more weight than your silly, time wasting, dismissive, denials and diversionary tactics.

Bush thought he was king and didn't need congressional approval to wage a contrived unneccessary war on another sovereign country that was not a threat to the US. He started diverting funds and resources intended for Afganistan without congressional approval or authority and attacking Iraq months before he finally asked congress for the authority to do so. Bush violated the constitution and abused his executive authority and that makes him guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Obama could have put Bush and Cheney on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity if he wanted to. So just be glad that he didn't.

Former Powell Chief of Staff Col. Larry Wilkerson: Cheney "Fears Being Tried as a War Criminal" - ABC News

US Lawyers Warn Bush On War Crimes

Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune
 

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Bush didn't believe he needed congressional authorization to invade Iraq at all. In fact, he was diverting resources and funding designated by congress for Afganistan and bombing Iraq for almost a year before he finally sought congressional authorization to invade Iraq.

Bush lied and violated the US constitution which is tantamount to treason in order to drag the US into that dirty little war of his....and there's no need for "semantics" because it's all very well documented from beginning to end......

Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq


John Woo builds case that executive branch doesn't need congress authorization to go to war
The Presidents Constitutional Authority to Conduct War Without Congressional Approval


Bi-partisan bill to curb Bush's executive power to go to war dies in Senate....
Context of 'October 1, 2001: Bush to Lott: ‘Derail the Biden Legislation’'

General Franks angry that Bush is going to abandon Afganistan to attack Iraq...
USATODAY.com - Iraq course set from tight White House circle

February 19, 2002: The British memos document how advanced political preparations were even more than a year before the March 2003 invasion.Gen. Franks: US Is Deploying Resources from Afghanistan to Iraq'

Early March 2002: Bush Diverts Resources from War on Terror
Bush Diverts Resources from War on Terror'

June 1-30, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 10.4 Tons of Ordnance on IraqEvents Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

Late July -September 2002: As Much as $700 Million Diverted from Afghanistan to Prepare for Invasion of Iraq
Woodward Shares War Secrets - CBS News

August 2002: Military Plans for Iraq Invasion Finalized; No Strategy for Replacing Hussein Government Given
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

August 26, 2002: White House Asserts It Can Launch War against Iraq without Congressional Approval
WH lawyers: Bush can order Iraq attack

Before September 2002: Rumsfeld Orders Commanders To Focus Aerial Strikes in Iraq on Military Communications Infrastructure
Casualties of an 'Undeclared War'

September 1-30, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 54.6 Tons of Ordnance on Iraq

September 3, 2002: Bush Attempts to Solicit Support from Skeptical Congressional Leaders for Confronting Iraq

September 10, 2002: Some Democrats Resist Push for Vote on Iraq Resolution Before Elections
Rice, Tenet brief lawmakers on Iraq

September 13, 2002: Bush Implies Democrats Cowardly by Waiting for UN Resolution on Iraq War
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

September 15, 2002: White House Economic Adviser Says Iraq Invasion Will Cost up to $200 Billion; OMB Head Says Cost Much Lower


September 15-20, 2002: Lawmaker ‘Stunned’ by Lack of Evidence for Imminent Threat from Iraq

September 19, 2002: House Democrats Present Resolution Advocating Diplomacy in Iraq
[url]http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hconres473ih/pdf/BILLS-107hconres473ih.pdf


September 23, 2002: Bush Administration Pushing to Find, Punish Leakers, Even in Congress

September 26, 2002: White House Acknowledges Iraq Not Involved in 9/11 Attacks

September 27, 2002: Kennedy Questions Administration Push for War; Media Ignores Speech
CNN.com - Kennedy counters Bush on Iraq - Sep. 27, 2002

September 28, 2002: US Presents Harsh Draft UN Resolution; Iraq, Allies Find It Unacceptable

October 1, 2002: CIA Delivers National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq to Congress; Few Lawmakers Read It
[url=http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0622-03.htm]Report Cast Doubt on Iraq-Al Qaeda Connection


October 1, 2002: Bush Rejects Bipartisan Alternative to Resolution For War

October 1, 2002: UN and Iraq Agree to Resume Inspections

October 1, 2002: Bush Rejects Bipartisan Alternative to Resolution For War
Senators threaten to rein in Bush

October 1-31, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 17.7 Tons of Ordnance on IraqEvents Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

October 2, 2002: Representative Gephardt Introduces Bush-Approved Resolution on Iraq

October 3, 2002: Four Naval Carrier Groups Head for Middle East

October 3, 2002: US, Britain Demand UN Weapons Inspectors Not Return to Iraq; Bush Threatens to Invade Without UN Approval

October 3, 2002: Byrd Speaks Out Against Drive Towards War
White House Mood Is bellicose: Senator Robert C. Byrd [October 3, 2002]

October 4, 2002: Senator Angry over Omissions in CIA White Paper

Before October 7, 2002: White House Communications Aide Shocked by Administration’s Lack of Hard Evidence Against Iraq

October 7, 2002: President Bush Argues War in Iraq is ‘Crucial to Winning the War on Terror’

October 7, 2002: Knight Ridder Reports that Many in US Government Have ‘Deep Misgivings’ about the US ‘March toward War’
Some in Bush administration have misgivings about Iraq policy | McClatchy

After October 7, 2002: Administration Neoconservatives Purge Intelligence Community of Undesirables

Before October 10, 2002: Bush Refuses to Discuss Iraq with Senators

October 10, 2002: House of Representatives Approves Authorization for Military Force (AUMF) against Iraq; Senate Follows Suit
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

October 16, 2002: President Bush Signs Congressional Resolution Authorizing Use of Force Against Iraq; Says War is a ‘Last Resort’
Didn't you just negate your premise by inserting the underlined. Can you show us anywhere factually where Obama has the same authorization, or coalition of countries behind him that Bush had? With all Obama's sabre rattling and red lines in the sand he has not once gone to Congress for authorization to use force against Syria. Nor has Obama gone to the UN as Bush did in regard to Iraq. Oh, I forgot, it's Obama and he can do as he pleases. What's next? Obama's invasion of Texas?
 

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I'm going to say this again Wolf. If your concerned about the balance of power in America, partisan attacks will not help your cause. It doesn't help my cause, and I have the same concern. This is a progressive problem that has been growing for presidencies, plural. It DOES NOT MATTER whether the next president is a republican or a democrat, the next presidency is going to be worse than this one which is worse than the last. Nothing is gained by partisanship!
 

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Sorry, but it's absolutely true and I provided more than ample evidence to prove it. My post was in response to the OP and I suggest you read some of those links because they hold a lot more weight than your silly, time wasting, dismissive, denials and diversionary tactics.

Bush thought he was king and didn't need congressional approval to wage a contrived unneccessary war on another sovereign country that was not a threat to the US. He started diverting funds and resources intended for Afganistan without congressional approval or authority and attacking Iraq months before he finally asked congress for the authority to do so. Bush violated the constitution and abused his executive authority and that makes him guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Obama could have put Bush and Cheney on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity if he wanted to. So just be glad that he didn't.

Former Powell Chief of Staff Col. Larry Wilkerson: Cheney "Fears Being Tried as a War Criminal" - ABC News

US Lawyers Warn Bush On War Crimes

Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune
So why aren't you including Clinton as a war criminal?

How about this:

Bill Clinton on War & Peace:
1998: Signed Iraq Liberation Act calling for Saddam's ouster

In 1998 Saddam Hussein insisted that international weapons inspectors stop work and leave Iraq. In response, Congress passed and President Clinton signed into law the Iraq Liberation Act, making regime change in Iraq the policy of the United States government and approving nearly $100 million to fund Iraqi opposition groups working for Saddam's ouster.

That December, President Clinton launched Operation Desert Fox, a four-day air strike campaign meant to diminish Saddam's weapons capabilities. "If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future," President Clinton said. "Mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them." There was bipartisan support for the operation.
 

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Nice of you to attempt to change the subject. The question remains. Is Obama trying to salve his previous incompetence on the Syrian issue of three years by bombing Syria or sending Americans to Syria without authorization of Congress on the strawman of Assad's use of gas killing his own people?

Bush didn't believe he needed congressional authorization to invade Iraq at all. In fact, he was diverting resources and funding designated by congress for Afganistan and bombing Iraq for almost a year before he finally sought congressional authorization to invade Iraq.

Bush lied and violated the US constitution which is tantamount to treason in order to drag the US into that dirty little war of his....and there's no need for "semantics" because it's all very well documented from beginning to end......

Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq


John Woo builds case that executive branch doesn't need congress authorization to go to war
The Presidents Constitutional Authority to Conduct War Without Congressional Approval


Bi-partisan bill to curb Bush's executive power to go to war dies in Senate....
Context of 'October 1, 2001: Bush to Lott: ‘Derail the Biden Legislation’'

General Franks angry that Bush is going to abandon Afganistan to attack Iraq...
USATODAY.com - Iraq course set from tight White House circle

February 19, 2002: The British memos document how advanced political preparations were even more than a year before the March 2003 invasion.Gen. Franks: US Is Deploying Resources from Afghanistan to Iraq'

Early March 2002: Bush Diverts Resources from War on Terror
Bush Diverts Resources from War on Terror'

June 1-30, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 10.4 Tons of Ordnance on IraqEvents Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

Late July -September 2002: As Much as $700 Million Diverted from Afghanistan to Prepare for Invasion of Iraq
Woodward Shares War Secrets - CBS News

August 2002: Military Plans for Iraq Invasion Finalized; No Strategy for Replacing Hussein Government Given
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

August 26, 2002: White House Asserts It Can Launch War against Iraq without Congressional Approval
WH lawyers: Bush can order Iraq attack

Before September 2002: Rumsfeld Orders Commanders To Focus Aerial Strikes in Iraq on Military Communications Infrastructure
Casualties of an 'Undeclared War'

September 1-30, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 54.6 Tons of Ordnance on Iraq

September 3, 2002: Bush Attempts to Solicit Support from Skeptical Congressional Leaders for Confronting Iraq

September 10, 2002: Some Democrats Resist Push for Vote on Iraq Resolution Before Elections
Rice, Tenet brief lawmakers on Iraq

September 13, 2002: Bush Implies Democrats Cowardly by Waiting for UN Resolution on Iraq War
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

September 15, 2002: White House Economic Adviser Says Iraq Invasion Will Cost up to $200 Billion; OMB Head Says Cost Much Lower


September 15-20, 2002: Lawmaker ‘Stunned’ by Lack of Evidence for Imminent Threat from Iraq

September 19, 2002: House Democrats Present Resolution Advocating Diplomacy in Iraq
[url]http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-107hconres473ih/pdf/BILLS-107hconres473ih.pdf


September 23, 2002: Bush Administration Pushing to Find, Punish Leakers, Even in Congress

September 26, 2002: White House Acknowledges Iraq Not Involved in 9/11 Attacks

September 27, 2002: Kennedy Questions Administration Push for War; Media Ignores Speech
CNN.com - Kennedy counters Bush on Iraq - Sep. 27, 2002

September 28, 2002: US Presents Harsh Draft UN Resolution; Iraq, Allies Find It Unacceptable

October 1, 2002: CIA Delivers National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq to Congress; Few Lawmakers Read It
[url=http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0622-03.htm]Report Cast Doubt on Iraq-Al Qaeda Connection


October 1, 2002: Bush Rejects Bipartisan Alternative to Resolution For War

October 1, 2002: UN and Iraq Agree to Resume Inspections

October 1, 2002: Bush Rejects Bipartisan Alternative to Resolution For War
Senators threaten to rein in Bush

October 1-31, 2002: US and British Planes Drop 17.7 Tons of Ordnance on IraqEvents Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

October 2, 2002: Representative Gephardt Introduces Bush-Approved Resolution on Iraq

October 3, 2002: Four Naval Carrier Groups Head for Middle East

October 3, 2002: US, Britain Demand UN Weapons Inspectors Not Return to Iraq; Bush Threatens to Invade Without UN Approval

October 3, 2002: Byrd Speaks Out Against Drive Towards War
White House Mood Is bellicose: Senator Robert C. Byrd [October 3, 2002]

October 4, 2002: Senator Angry over Omissions in CIA White Paper

Before October 7, 2002: White House Communications Aide Shocked by Administration’s Lack of Hard Evidence Against Iraq

October 7, 2002: President Bush Argues War in Iraq is ‘Crucial to Winning the War on Terror’

October 7, 2002: Knight Ridder Reports that Many in US Government Have ‘Deep Misgivings’ about the US ‘March toward War’
Some in Bush administration have misgivings about Iraq policy | McClatchy

After October 7, 2002: Administration Neoconservatives Purge Intelligence Community of Undesirables

Before October 10, 2002: Bush Refuses to Discuss Iraq with Senators

October 10, 2002: House of Representatives Approves Authorization for Military Force (AUMF) against Iraq; Senate Follows Suit
Events Leading Up to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq

October 16, 2002: President Bush Signs Congressional Resolution Authorizing Use of Force Against Iraq; Says War is a ‘Last Resort’
 

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How does Congress deal with any emergency when Cantor has them in session only 126 days a year?
Nice of you to attempt to change the subject. The question remains. Is Obama trying to salve his previous incompetence on the Syrian issue of three years by bombing Syria or sending Americans to Syria without authorization of Congress on the strawman of Assad's use of gas killing his own people?
 

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Nice of you to attempt to change the subject. The question remains. Is Obama trying to salve his previous incompetence on the Syrian issue of three years by bombing Syria or sending Americans to Syria without authorization of Congress on the strawman of Assad's use of gas killing his own people?
Explain Obama's incompetence for 3 years in Syria, please.
 

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I actually have a real question for you. How do you feel about us going to war with syria? Do remember, you have made a name for yourself and this answer may come back to haunt you in the future. I am curious because you really just complained about kerry being inconsistent without actually giving an opinion on it yourself.
IMHO, we have no business invading Syria. Does Obama want to attack Syrian because of the oil? We do know that over 100,000 Syrians have been killed in over two years and Obama's 'Red Line' challenges have been breached more than several times.
 

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Republicans are against passing laws. They only want them repealed. As for Syria, this will turn in to a Repub bitch session, with all of them thinking they are a POTUS themselves.
It's called an "Emergency Session".
 

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Ok, but don't defend the Bush ten year dirty war to make a point on Kerry and Obama with regards to Syria. There's much better avenues to the same end.
How many years has Obama kept Bush's wars alive?
 

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Explain Obama's incompetence for 3 years in Syria, please.

Less than a year later, some American allies (Britain, France, and most recently, Israel) claimed that there was evidence of chemical weapon use by the Assad regime.

Obama’s response? The US would conduct its own investigation into what happened, and act accordingly.

Bill Clinton has taken issue with President Barack Obama’s Syria policy saying “it’s a bad mistake” for the United States not to intervene, US media reported Thursday. Failure to act risks leaving him looking “lame” and like “a wuss.”

Obama has avoided intervention not because he’s insensitive, incompetent, or even uninterested. He has done so because his options aren’t just bad — they’re terrible. Syria is already a disaster, but a ham-handed intervention could make matters worse, certainly for America.
 

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Republicans are against passing laws. They only want them repealed. As for Syria, this will turn in to a Repub bitch session, with all of them thinking they are a POTUS themselves.
Then I guess Obama is in a bind. If he unilaterally sends our forces to bomb or invade Syria, he has violated his oath of office.




If They Can Lie About NSA/Snowden, They Can Lie About Syria

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Jul 03, 2013 · If government officials can lie to Congress without consequence, we're in big trouble in terms of democracy and the rule of law, especially as these apply ...
 

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Less than a year later, some American allies (Britain, France, and most recently, Israel) claimed that there was evidence of chemical weapon use by the Assad regime.

Obama’s response? The US would conduct its own investigation into what happened, and act accordingly.

Bill Clinton has taken issue with President Barack Obama’s Syria policy saying “it’s a bad mistake” for the United States not to intervene, US media reported Thursday. Failure to act risks leaving him looking “lame” and like “a wuss.”

Obama has avoided intervention not because he’s insensitive, incompetent, or even uninterested. He has done so because his options aren’t just bad — they’re terrible. Syria is already a disaster, but a ham-handed intervention could make matters worse, certainly for America.
Obama sent Hillary to the UN several times to seek authority for use of force, and the answer was always NO! Only morons would want him to go anyway, which are the ones pushing him now.
 

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Obama sent Hillary to the UN several times to seek authority for use of force, and the answer was always NO! Only morons would want him to go anyway, which are the ones pushing him now.
Who did Bush send to the UN to plead his case at least twice?
 
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