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Joe Biden Will Sign These 3 Executive Orders to Curb Gun Violence

tacomancer said:
the founders themselves debated what the second amendment means not long after the ratification of the constitution.

The U.S. Constitution | Constitution Center

Learn about the text, history, and meaning of the U.S. Constitution from leading scholars of diverse legal and philosophical perspectives.
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This massive shift of power from the states to the federal government generated one of the chief objections to the proposed Constitution. Anti-Federalists argued that the proposed Constitution would take from the states their principal means of defense against federal usurpation. The Federalists responded that fears of federal oppression were overblown, in part because the American people were armed and would be almost impossible to subdue through military force.
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tacomancer said:
the anti-federalists believed that

the federalist believed (as I do) that this was overblown

both sides agree that the citizenry should be armed (as both you and I do)
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i don;t think you read the whole statement you posted to support this, because the federalist reasoning was only because of the people were armed they would be impossible to subdue.
 
Hypothetical said:
i don;t think you read the whole statement you posted to support this, because the federalist reasoning was only because of the people were armed they would be impossible to subdue.
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right, I already accounted for that in another statement to turtle.
 
Rich2018 said:
There doesn't seem to be a "well there might be a case for gun control..." caucus in the gun lobby.
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that's because we already have plenty of gun control laws, and yet they keep trying to pass new stuff that does nothing but further restrict legal owners.
 
Hypothetical said:
that's because we already have plenty of gun control laws, and yet they keep trying to pass new stuff that does nothing but further restrict legal owners.
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And the reason they want the criminals to outgun you is what - to gain more votes ?

Try to think for once

There's so much paranoia in the gun lobby, they think democrats are for gun control because they have it in for them and/or want to establish a Stalinist society.
 
Rich2018 said:
And the reason they want the criminals to outgun you is what - to gain more votes ?

Try to think for once

There's so much paranoia in the gun lobby, they think democrats are for gun control because they have it in for them and/or want to establish a Stalinist society.
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I don't care what they want, I care how the constitution limits their power until the process is undertaken properly to change that.

that is precisely what it is there for.
 
Hypothetical said:
I don't care what they want, I care how the constitution limits their power until the process is undertaken properly to change that.

that is precisely what it is there for.
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So are you saying that you agree with their efforts' onjective...but just object to the process of getting there ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So are you saying that you agree with their efforts' onjective...but just object to the process of getting there ?
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I am saying neither of those things.

I am saying that the Constitution is there to protect against overbearing governance, outlines what the government can and cannot do, and I already believe they are overstepping without an amendment.
 
trixare4kids said:
Um, why?
What's ultimately going to be the result after his E/O is overturned by the SC?

He's simply posturing for the leftwing gun grabbers, many who believe he's doing something productive. ;)
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So do nothing? Your SC proposition is years away. Which of the six EO's he's hinted at are a bad idea?
 
Hypothetical said:
I am saying neither of those things.

I am saying that the Constitution is there to protect against overbearing governance, outlines what the government can and cannot do, and I already believe they are overstepping without an amendment.
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That is the flaw of the Constitution

It's like telling the Fire Dept to stop trying to put a fire out because you don't have a 2/3 marity in favor of turning the water on.
 
Hypothetical said:
I am saying neither of those things.

I am saying that the Constitution is there to protect against overbearing governance, outlines what the government can and cannot do, and I already believe they are overstepping without an amendment.
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Almost all gun rights come from SCOTUS decisions. Those do not require a constitutional amendment to change.
 
Rich2018 said:
That is the flaw of the Constitution

It's like telling the Fire Dept to stop trying to put a fire out because you don't have a 2/3 marity in favor of turning the water on.
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are you god in heaven or some other deity posting as a normal human being?
 
When Presidents or Congress talks about gun control the sale of firearms skyrockets.

If we would have never had a push for gun control there might be 100,000,000 fewer firearms in our nation. Last year was a record year for firearm sales. Riots on the streets and the election of a gun grabber fueled sales.

Collectively, Americans bought an estimated 21 million gunsthis year, an increase of 73 percent from 2019, according to an analysis of FBI background check data from the anti-firearms sales watchdog group The Trace.

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Americans of all backgrounds discovered the benefits of gun ownership this year, though. While the surge did not occur in the best of circumstances, appreciation for the Second Amendment right now seems unparalleled compared to any other time on record.
www.westernjournal.com

Americans Bought 73% More Guns in 2020, Overall Approximately 21 Million

Faced with lockdowns, riots and other potential threats, Americans bought a record number of firearms in 2020.
www.westernjournal.com www.westernjournal.com
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mrjurrs said:
Almost all gun rights come from SCOTUS decisions. Those do not require a constitutional amendment to change.
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Rich2018 said:
You shouldn't put yourself down like that.

Just because someone offers a proposal that's manifestly superior to yours, doesn't mean that compared to you, they are some kind of supernatural being.
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LOL i thought so. so easy to see through that level of , as you say "superiority".

well a lot of people disagree with you, so unless you have supernatural intellect, yours is thankfully just an opinion.
 
PoS said:
Your link doesnt refute what I said. When did the pandemic and defund the police riots start again? Simple question you are unable to answer.


Nothing will ever be fine for anti-gun fanatics. The biggest school massacre occurred in 1927 and wasnt caused by firearms. Go move to Europe if you dont like the 2A.
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Do you mean when the pandemic started according to medical groups or the former president? The biggest defund movements started in June after the murder of George Floyd. My cite shows gun violence didn't change. Your position is despicable, that there is no gun violence issue here. I think we'd be better off if you guys wmoved to Europe.
 
Hypothetical said:
are you god in heaven or some other deity posting as a normal human being?
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You shouldn't put yourself down like that.

Just because someone offers a proposal that's manifestly superior to yours, doesn't mean that compared to you, they are some kind of supernatural being.
 
Hypothetical said:
LOL i thought so. so easy to see through that level of , as you say "superiority".

well a lot of people disagree with you, so unless you have supernatural intellect, yours is thankfully just an opinion.
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Mine is not an opinion, prove it is.
 
iguanaman said:
All I want is some accountability and you go nuts and prove my point. Choosing to own a gun must come with responsibility for what it may do. What is wrong with that? If you are careless and a minor gets his hands on it whatever he does with it is your responsibility 100%. If he kills himself with it you are charged with manslaughter. It makes perfect sense to me.
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Yeah you want accountability because some dumb shit does something, so hell yeah punish all of us it's the smart thing to do. When are you going to learn just because you and your anti gun buds may not know jack, most of us do.
 
zsu2357 said:
Yeah you want accountability because some dumb shit does something, so hell yeah punish all of us it's the smart thing to do. When are you going to learn just because you and your anti gun buds may not know jack, most of us do.
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How is making people accountable for their guns punishing responsible gun owners? Do you keep loaded guns accessible to minors or young adult males in your household?
 
Tlrmln said:
How does registration result in accountability, and what does Sandy Hook have to do with that? It was no mystery where the guns used at Sandy Hook came from, and the person responsible for letting the shooter get them received the death penalty without a trial.
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Accountability. He thinks Lanza got a hold of a loaded gun. The safe was open with no sign of forced entry so he ( iguanaman) probably takes it to mean it was just left open with loaded guns galore.
 
Serenity said:
I imagine there's some work to be done to agree on the criteria used to get it right but this doesn't seem such a bad thing.
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Since you don't appear to be a gun person, I'm quite sure you agree and would find it a real good thing.
 
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