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Joe Biden Says He Won’t Run for President in 2016

clownboy said:
Yeah, except Bill doesn't know, he was busy screwing interns and you know being president. Hillary doesn't get to claim that as experience. In fact it was her that got him impeached. Bill wasn't the one to make the Whitewater deals, that was the Hilldebeast.
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Hiilary got Bill impeached? You are too funny. What about the millions spent investigating the Clinton with no results until they stumbled into Monica. More importantly though, Bill Clinton's poll numbers when he left office were among the highest in history and remain so. It sucks to be in the minority doesn't it?
 
clownboy said:
First, wasn't talking about Trump or Carson. The majority of the republican candidates have GOVERNING experience. Of which Hillary has precisely ZERO.

And for those who don't think Trump will win the nomination:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ld-trump-is-likely-to-win-the-gop-nomination/
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Short memory or trying to deny what's right there in print to see?

clownboy said:
Actually just about everyone running is more qualified than Hillary. At least everyone running on the republican side. And Jeb will be dropping out soon.
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And furthermore considering Trump and Carson are the front runners it's hard to exclude them.

Your posts have lost any of the credibility they may have had.
 
digsbe said:
Ultimately I don't think Trump will get it. As it stands now his approval is only around 23% and I think the people he attracts are low-information voting Republicans that get hooked by fiery rhetoric.

Carson is 2nd, but he still has about 20%. The rest of the support is between Rubio, Cruz, and others who are more similar in ideology and political experience. I think as people drop out of the race you'll see more support for others instead of split support resulting in Trump not getting the nomination. I think America's best bet is to run Rubio or Cruz with Kasich as a VP. With that if they can secure Florida and Ohio that may well hand them the presidency. I think from the Democrat perspective running Hillary is a mistake, but since she's been conniving for power and the nomination since she lost it to Obama few will oppose her, she's also got all the money to run on and will outspend her Democratic opponents.
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I don't disagree, although I've been supportive of a Jeb Bush run since back in 2011 - I think he's most qualified in knowledge, experience and temperament for the job. That said, Hillary may be a mistake but if you look at the motley group that is running with/against Clinton, that's a pretty sad indictment of the talent within the Democrat Party. Pretty sad to think that Hillary Clinton is the best Democrats can offer. It might be an acknowledgement that Obama has been so bad that other more talented candidates are waiting this one out.
 
No biden, no Webb... Now if we can get chafee to drop the next debates will be hella lot more meat to chew between O'Malley, Sanders and Clinton.
 
cpwill said:
That was the Obama strategy in 2016, and seems to have worked fairly well. 2012 was a weird year for a lot of reasons, and I would say the targeting of minorities was less explicit because it could be. But the "turn out the base" model is why Obama won, and it is a good part of why Romney lost.
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I would be happy to look over those statistics if you can provide them that it was the black vote which made the electoral difference. I agree that black voters turned out and in a state like North Carolina it may have made the difference and providing a cushion for him far beyond what he needed electorally. Beyond that, I do not see it as the reason Obama was elected.

You have to get them all out, because what counts is not who has a majority of the populace, but rather who has a majority of those who show up to vote.
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As it always has been.

How does Hillary score on the "understands the needs of people like me", or "likeability" questions?
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I imagine not too great right now. But in the election a year from now - it could be very very different. She does not have to be voted Miss Congeniality. Its like that old line about I do not have to be the fastest runner - just faster than the slowest. All she has to do is run a littler after than the republican and the lion will eat them.

Who do you think will do a better job of convincing people that they understand and care about people like them during the debate? The woman who has been part of the elite since the 1990s, who hasn't driven a car in two decades, and who demands a quarter of a million dollars just to show up and give a speech, or the guy who a handful of years ago was still working to pay off his student loans?
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That is a honest question. And the only one who fits that profile is Rubio. And as I previously said - he would be the strongest candidate for the GOP.

The lack of enthusiasm for Mitt hurt at all the margins. It turned organizers and volunteers into voters, and voters into fishermen.
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Zealots rarely do the backbone party work that needs to be done in an election. They flit in and out and its mostly out. Yes, some do volunteer and they are given routine work to do that does help. And regardless of the enthusiasm factor - a vote is a vote is a vote even if the voter holds his nose while pulling that lever.
 
Hillary is the phoniest person to ever run. She has no soul. She's country when she's in Alabama and black when she's speaking to the NAACP. There's nothing to her.

And much of that is true about Trump, too.

Yes, folks, this is what we elect now.

All this needs is Bruce Jenner as VP, and the brainwashing is complete.
 
Fearandloathing said:
My aging journalistic mind wonders about the dynamics of the White House. I never got the idea that Obama and Biden were buddies, I don't know why he was chosen. Through the years Obama has never shown any indication he had a lot of trust in Biden.

We know the dispute with the Clintons, but I cannot see him backing Bernie in a ghost campaign, they don't work and usually wreck a party.

I am wondering if Obama gives a **** who replaces him, it would be my assertion that he would want the worst candidate who is sure to screw things up, making him look good.

His stance so far has confused me to a degree, but the there is a long way to go. I am wondering if there isn't someone else in the wings they hope to promote when everyone is tired and disgusted with all the bull****.

Then again, it would not surprise me is this isn't the beginning of a draft Biden movement.

I do not think they are at all happy with the line up as it stands, it loser, loser
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Interesting observations. Always appreciated. I'm of similar mind regarding the "in the wings" thoughts that are tickling the neurons.

The Presidential field this cycle is not one that has me feeling at ease.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Two goofballs on the same ticket. That will assure a democratic win!
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says the party that is getting ready to nominate a criminal and a habitual liar. I will take those two over the witch of the west any day of the week.
 
clownboy said:
Rubio is coming up to third in the polls, but still an anemic following and Kasich, he polls consistently at 2%. He'll be dropping out shortly before or after Jeb, before the end of the year.
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No, neither Kasich nor Bush will drop out before the NH primary.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't disagree, although I've been supportive of a Jeb Bush run since back in 2011 - I think he's most qualified in knowledge, experience and temperament for the job. That said, Hillary may be a mistake but if you look at the motley group that is running with/against Clinton, that's a pretty sad indictment of the talent within the Democrat Party. Pretty sad to think that Hillary Clinton is the best Democrats can offer. It might be an acknowledgement that Obama has been so bad that other more talented candidates are waiting this one out.
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That shows what you know about America. Hillary will be running with Obama not against him. Unlike Canada we have a strong economy with dropping unemployment. The minority that demonize Obama will lose again. I am glad to hear you favor Jeb though, it surely means he will lose. I know misery loves company but not this time. Your new Govt. will need to spend the 1st few years undoing the mess the Conservatives made so be patient.
 
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OrphanSlug said:
This sure helps Sanders more than Hilary, even though Hilary is probably happy with this decision.
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The polling says otherwise. If Biden chose not to run (and he has), the following were the changes in support for Clinton and Sanders:

ABC News/Washington Post Poll:
Clinton: +10%
Sanders: +2%

Monmouth University Poll:
Clinton: +9%
Sanders: +3%

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll:
Clinton: +9%
Sanders: +4%

CNN/ORC Poll:
Clinton: +11%
Sanders: +4%

Fox News Poll:
Clinton: +9%
Sanders: +3%
 
donsutherland1 said:
The polling says otherwise. If Biden chose not to run (and he has), the following were the changes in support for Clinton and Sanders:

ABC News/Washington Post Poll:
Clinton: +10%
Sanders: +2%

Monmouth University Poll:
Clinton: +9%
Sanders: +3%

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll:
Clinton: +9%
Sanders: +4%

CNN/ORC Poll:
Clinton: +11%
Sanders: +4%

Fox News Poll:
Clinton: +9%
Sanders: +3%
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Interesting. We'll have to see how this plays out then. I stand corrected.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Interesting. We'll have to see how this plays out then. I stand corrected.
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The coming polls should verify whether the above numbers were correct now that the Vice President has announced that he will not seek the Presidency. Afterward, and arguably the more important question will concern whether the beneficiary of the Vice President's decision will be able to hold onto the net gain in support. In theory, because Clinton and Biden occupy essentially the same ideological space, she should be the net beneficiary (and that was suggested in the polls taken just ahead of the Vice President's decision) and should be able to hold onto that added support. But many other factors can impact campaigns along the way, so there's always some risk that the benefit could be temporary.
 
cpwill said:
Well. There you are. Hillary will be the Democrat Nominee, and we will likely (55% chance) have a Republican POTUS come January of 2017.
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You could have said that months ago, really.

Hillary had won the invisible primary before anything started. When grassroots Democrats didn't want a coronation ceremony, they were going to get one anyway. The other horses in race simply don't have enough ground game and infrastructure to matter. It's not a conspiracy, it's just simple politics.
 
MrT said:
Again, there are many types of experience that qualify one for being the President beyond being a Governor.
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That's nice, but traditionally the precise sort of experience the voters have looked for is governing experience as that is the only experience that directly relates to that branch of government.

That said, there are elections where the public doesn't give two whiffs about experience, and this is that sort of election. They want someone they can trust to walk the talk. They're fed up with the usual. ALL the other candidates are the usual, except for Trump and Carson.

There is also another sort of voter making a comeback - the idiot one issue voter. They will line up to vote for Hillary solely because she's got a vagina.
 
donsutherland1 said:
The coming polls should verify whether the above numbers were correct now that the Vice President has announced that he will not seek the Presidency. Afterward, and arguably the more important question will concern whether the beneficiary of the Vice President's decision will be able to hold onto the net gain in support. In theory, because Clinton and Biden occupy essentially the same ideological space, she should be the net beneficiary (and that was suggested in the polls taken just ahead of the Vice President's decision) and should be able to hold onto that added support. But many other factors can impact campaigns along the way, so there's always some risk that the benefit could be temporary.
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I assumed Biden was somewhere between Hilary and Sanders. Hilary seems too establishment, too Wall Street and aristocratic where Biden seems liberal enough to at least give Sanders a good run for the far left vote. But that may just be how I see it.
 
haymarket said:
Until those disaffected Republicans on the right form their own party and actually run their own candidate - they will never be taken seriously. The establishment knows that when push comes to shove - they will pull the GOP lever even if they scream and yell and hold their nose while doing it.

I think they would go for Rubio in the end even if immigration divides them.
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Yeah, that's the position the republican leadership has always taken. But that's not the case this time, and that's why they're shocked by the polling. In this case it's not just a fringe part of the base who is "disaffected", it's nearly the entirety of the base.

The pundits are just now starting to wake up to this.
 
iguanaman said:
Hiilary got Bill impeached? You are too funny. What about the millions spent investigating the Clinton with no results until they stumbled into Monica. More importantly though, Bill Clinton's poll numbers when he left office were among the highest in history and remain so. It sucks to be in the minority doesn't it?
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Yep, keep spinning the excuses, but if Hillary hadn't made those sweetheart trades with the Rose Law firm there would have been no Whitewater scandal. Yes, the WW investigation, being foiled by a bunch of folks so afraid of the Clintons (Hillary) they went to jail rather than drop the dime, eventually lost focus and found something else to hang Bill on. But again, without Whitewater Bill's affairs may have remained an open secret until after he was gone from office.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Short memory or trying to deny what's right there in print to see?



And furthermore considering Trump and Carson are the front runners it's hard to exclude them.

Your posts have lost any of the credibility they may have had.
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Nice. Try reading the posts I was responding to and you might see why you are entirely off base.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, neither Kasich nor Bush will drop out before the NH primary.
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New Hampshire is the one place Jeb barely gets out of single digits. NONE of the other, more important primaries give either one a chance in hell of securing the nomination. Jeb is bleeding money right now. He's not going to make it.
 
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