Notes from the fourth public hearing , June 21, 2022
Summary
The Committee heard from election officials, poll workers and the leader of the state Republican caucus from AZ, Rusty Bowers.
The witnesses each testified that the trump campaign and White House staff were asking them to break the law, code or their Oath.
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Sen. Bowers testified that Rudy Giuliani told him and a group of others in December of 2020, "we've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence".
State and local election officials and workers were subjected to violent threats. All of the witnesses who appeared mentioned receiving threats.
State officials investigated fraud. It's still the case that widespread fraud has not been accepted as viable in any court of law.
Brad Raffensperger answered an initial question by saying he wanted trump to win the election in '20. He testified that trump's claims of fraud in Georgia were baseless. He and his staff had chased every claim "down every rabbit hole" and added that they continued double-checking claims of ballots for underage, dead, undocumented people. He testified that he was determined to be "faithful to the Constitution". The phone call from trump contained several accusations which were coupled with legal threats of criminality when speaking to Raffensperger .
Rusty Bowers also wanted trump to win the election. He testified that Rudy Guiliani repeatedly promised to provide proof of votes from dead people and undocumented people in Arizona. Guiliani never provided any evidence at all. Bowers declared that what trump and Guiliani were asking him to do was unconstitutional. Begining with calling the legislature to reconvene.
His persona was patriotic when he described his allegiance to America.
He could not rescind the EC slate that was legal on Dec 14, especially without any evidence at all. It still is against AZ state law, and would be in violation of his oath of office.
Gabriel Sterling testified how the numerous threats he received led him to make the public statement that warned the president, Donald j trump, to stop repeating lies about fraud. He predicted violence, based on the threats that he had received after his phone and address had been posted online.
In a fiery Tuesday news conference, Gabriel Sterling had scathing words for top Republican leaders who have been attacking Georgia's election system.
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The November 20th meeting of the Michigan Republican caucus with trump at the White House was included. The significance was that the state legislators were Republicans but they refused to change their EC slate without evidence. The White House tried to convince the caucus, and they were declined.
No state reconvened their legislature since no proof or evidence of fraud could be found. This is significant considering the extent and persistence the White House and the trump campaign showed ( enlisting the help of Sen. Mike Lee) in attempting to convince state legislatures to rescind and replace their EC slates.
If Guiliani couldn't present any evidence, and if subsequent attempts to produce counterfeit scams have not held up in court, where is there any evidence that would justify trump's actions?
Fake electors
An email to Guiliani proves that the concept of sending fakes started as early as the first week of December. Guiliani and Eastman made multiple phone calls in December with the help of Mike Lee . There were two ideas behind these. In both scenarios trump wins.
a. If there are two EC envelopes for a state, it's declared null. If five or more states are declared null, neither candidate has enough votes, neither candidate wins and the election is decided in the House.
b. If the objection to a state EC slate is agreed by both the House and Senate, the slate is thrown out. At that point the alternate slate would be available to be counted.
There was taped testimony shown from lawyers and campaign workers who described the conversations they had when they declared that they would no longer participate in December of 20. Several witnesses pointed out that it made no sense to argue for and promote the idea that a state EC slate be changed when at the moment there was no legal court action pending in that state. There was no remaining court cases because their attempts had been exhausted.
Wandrea Moss
Mere words cannot describe what has happened to her. A single quote, "..all because of a lie!".
The organization of the hearing was focused on testimony and concise explanations.