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James Mattis steps down as secretary of defense, cites differing views with Trump

trixare4kids said:
It's time to cut the cord over there.
We only have 2,000 troops over there so not that much of a big deal.
Mattis was very respectful when giving his resignation. I can't fault him for wanting to leave.
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I can fault president for creating insane management method that has caused many of his top cabinet members aids aids to resign-- Kelly, Mattis, Tillerson, McMaster etcetera etcetera etcetera.

The level of resignations in this Administration is unprecedented. Such a high turnover signals a diseased organization, any org. and especially the White House. We have a president run amok with disregard to input from his experienced advisors--he's just winging it and doing whatever the hell he wants based on whatever Ann Coulter bitches about or his base whines about.
 

There is nothing wrong with simultaneously wanting us out of those nations AND realizing that Trump is going about in a very dangerous manner.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Russia isn't in charge of Syria's fate. The Syrian government has regularly pushed back against Russia wanting to do more than they think they should. The Syrian government and Syrians are in charge of Syria's fate.
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No, Iran and Russia hold the cards. Assad is a spectator at the table
 
Jack Hays said:
Agreed. But 2010 was Obama and 2012 was Obama. Trump is a fool, but this mistake follows a pattern.
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Couple of key differences though. Obama erred on the side of caution in not being reckless with his use of the military and perhaps a little too much so, and he had little to no support from Congress for taking action against Syria. Whereas Trump uses the military as a political prop, gives out impulsive and rash orders with litlle to no consultation and has enjoyed wide support from the House and Senate. Up till now anyways.
 
JANFU said:
No, Iran and Russia hold the cards. Assad is a spectator at the table
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Assad isn't a spectator. The gains have been made with the help of allies, but most of the blood spilled in ridding the nation of terrorists has been Syrian blood.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Russia isn't in charge of Syria's fate. The Syrian government has regularly pushed back against Russia wanting to do more than they think they should. The Syrian government and Syrians are in charge of Syria's fate.
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Syrians are in charge of Syria's fate absolutely, but Russia sure had a strong hand in Assad's victory over the Islamic fundamentalist.
The victory at Aleppo 'Syria's Stalingrad' could never have been if not for the Russians, they'll certainly have a influence in the
future of Syria.
 
JANFU said:
You cannot answer the question I asked. Here we go again. Tell us why a suddenly announced withdrawal from Syria will have regional repercussions.
Tell us pls. I am sure you can use Goggle.
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Are you asking me if there may be some repercussions from withdrawing troops suddenly?
Already addressed on another thread. I would prefer a slower pullout.
It has me concerned because what happened to Obama for doing the same in Iraq may come back to haunt us in Syria. We could see a big increase in extremism rise in the region.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Assad isn't a spectator. The gains have been made with the help of allies, but most of the blood spilled in ridding the nation of terrorists has been Syrian blood.
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Assad was close to falling, till Hezbollah sent more fighters, Russia with air power, Iraq with Shia Brigades, Iran with the IRG
His military is spread thin and has been for the past few years.

Now how will Assad, under the guidance of Russia/Iran deal with the Kurds, who are not well liked by Turkey and Erdogan.
 

I support "A MOVE" to pull out of Syria because I supported the notion of never having gotten involved in the first place, however at this juncture, we're IN Syria and this move right now, at this particular time, is a direct handoff to Putin.

And that means we will wind up BACK IN Syria at some point in the near future, guaranteed, and not with a piddling 2000 people either.
 

Then post it over here
Now the regional, and let me include other Allies, what will the repercussions be?
 

Russia, Assad's forces & Iran will now have to fight ISIS alone, I think they are able to take care any ISIS stragglers handily
 

Assad defied and then humiliated America.

That's Bad.
 
JANFU said:
Then post it over here
Now the regional, and let me include other Allies, what will the repercussions be?
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No need for me to repost something I said on another thread since I summarized here succinctly.
As for your second question, that's up to them.
It's about time my country stops worrying what our critics think.
 
trixare4kids said:
No need for me to repost something I said on another thread since I summarized here succinctly.
As for your second question, that's up to them.
It's about time my country stops worrying what our critics think.
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Clear ya got nothing
 
slick said:
Russia, Assad's forces & Iran will now have to fight ISIS alone, I think they are able to take care any ISIS stragglers handily
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Agree... even Chuck Schumer inferred as much. (see below)-- Schumer warned against us being there for the same reason Trump is pulling out... Notice how today Schumer pretends that he stands with Mattis and acts like Trump has lost his marbles? Schumer is just politically corrupt but you watch him whip up his base with this nonsense.

Schumer said in April of 2018....
"If you look at Iraq, we sacrificed close to 5,000 of our best young people who made the ultimate sacrifice, spent a trillion dollars that could have been better spent here [in the United States], and Iraq's no better off today than it was back then it," Schumer said. "I don't want to repeat the same mistake in Syria, and I believe any large-term engagement should go to Congress, and Congress would be the check."

https://dailygazette.com/article/2018/04/16/schumer-worried-about-syria-involvement

We never did go to congress, did we?
 
Acadia said:
I don't like that the military top brass are all together not happy with Trump's recent decisions, this among them. Mattis will leave large shoes to fill.
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Now the opposition is dismissing Trump as an idiot because many of his military men have left or are leaving. The Dems
sure can change their stripes.

2016: Trump's Cabinet dubbed 'Goldman, generals and gazillionaires'
"I call it the three 'G' Cabinet: Goldman, generals and gazillionaires," Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat,
said mockingly Sunday on ABC's This Week, thankfully she's no longer in the senate.

And as usual the WP chimed in 'Why it’s dangerous to have so many generals in the Trump Cabinet'

I haven't check out what they think about all the Generals going probably they'll give Trump a tongue lashing
for bouncing the generals who they were trashing when Trump elevated them to the cabinet way back when.
 

Congress was against it as well but Obama essentially gave them the middle finger and did it anyways.

I hope more of those that disagree with Trump on bringing soldiers home and ending these pointless wars leave the administration.
 

We did and Congress said no, Obama sent them anyways.
 
trixare4kids said:
But I do.
You simply want to be the only voice that is heard...
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Tell me about the iSIL Terrorists captured and imprisoned in Syria. Set them free, send them to their home country? What??
 
slick said:
Russia, Assad's forces & Iran will now have to fight ISIS alone, I think they are able to take care any ISIS stragglers handily
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Now illuminate us all on the different motivations between Russia, Assad and Iran, because you know damn well these three are all in it for different reasons.
Then tell us why it was wise to allow Russia to waltz in there in the first place (Obama did not do that) and why, if Iran is so evil, we're letting them have free reign over there now.

This essay in particular has not aged well:


My money says that we will be forced to return to Syria pretty soon, and not just with two thousand "advisers" either.
 

Iraq was the wrong war. But many rushed to War
 
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