I've been feeling torn lately on this issue

[ADK_Forever]

It's really useless discussing late term abortions with most of you. I'd guess 90% of you have never read up on what this procedure is and why it is.

I know there is a lot of partisan views in here but, really... do ya'll really think woman are killing perfectly healthy 24 week babies as a form of birth control? Get real!

I know several woman who had to have this procedure done. The baby was not viable and they would have died without it. And I know one who didn't because of her extreme religious "fears" even tho her doctors strongly advised her to have one. It almost killed her. She still has health problems as a result.

Educate yourselves. Please.

 

[Ethereal]

I think I've changed my mind too, I now want government goons spying on my sisters, wives, and mothers, making sure they carry to term or be put in prison.

If a man leaves a woman and she has to live in squalor raising kids, well, it was her choice to spread her legs in the first place.

I'm now fine when a desperate woman goes to a shady doctor or uses a rusty coat-hanger and dies, the bitch made her choice.

It's quantity of life that now mattters, not quality,
and now I'm for big intrusive government, and glad to have my taxes raised to pay for the new slums where these forced-to-care mothers will continue breeding like octomoms until their uterus gives out.

God bless America!!

 

[americanwoman]

If you truely value freedom then you have to tolerate what other people decide for themselves even if you don't like it.

I know and I do tolerate it -but at what point do you have to be a voice for something that doesn't have one?



I'm so glad my mother didn't abort me. I wouldn't have liked that very much, but atleast she had the choice not too.

 

[americanwoman]

I And I know one who didn't because of her extreme religious "fears" even tho her doctors strongly advised her to have one. It almost killed her. She still has health problems as a result.
.

Can I just ask, and you may not know, but would she give her baby away if it would take away her health problems?

 

[Baralis]

I was pro choice in my youth. Then I began to ask what is the reason 90%+ of the women have abortions. That answer changed my stance on the issue.

 

[Joe1991]

strawman

No strawman, if you want to makes abortion illegal, then either it's just words on a piece of paper that we don't enforce, or women will have to be watched to make sure their pregnancy ends in birth, investigated if she becomes un-pregnant and jailed if a jury believes she had a hand in not carrying the fetus to birth.

Which branch of big government do you want grown to handle all the preggo watching?
*(beside the courts, prisons, foster care homes, welfare, low-income housing, etc etc. etc.)

 

[Caine]

I mean what's the line and how do you define it?

As whether or not the life form in the womb has some sort of positive meaning to the carrier, or its male creation counterpart.

I hope that helped, lol.

 

[americanwoman]

As whether or not the life form in the womb has some sort of positive meaning to the carrier, or its male creation counterpart.

I hope that helped, lol.

That makes sense.

 

[Caine]

That makes sense.

And is the reason why I remain Pro-Choice by default.

Why?

Because I give a rats ass what someone else does with their unborn babies, it has no effect on my beautiful children who I love and adore.

 

[ADK_Forever]

Can I just ask, and you may not know, but would she give her baby away if it would take away her health problems?

Not sure what you mean. In all of those cases the baby died. All of them knew beforehand the baby was not going to make it. All were very, very sad. Another friend had no amnio tests because she said she would never abort so, why test? Her baby was born without a brain. Talk about sad!!! However, afterwards, she said she still wouldn't abort it if they knew that beforehand. I don't get that but, that is how serious she was about not aborting, even tho the baby was really never a baby.

None of those women would ever give away a healthy baby to make them healthier.

Keep in mind, all of those situations were such that 1) the baby was doomed to die no matter what the mother did and 2) delivering the most severe disfigured babies caused, or would have caused, serious problems for the mom.

These were not situations where the mom wanted an abortion. This is the case with these late term abortions. These are never easy decisions.

Are you pregnant now? Do you have kids now?

 

[DeeJayH]

It's a very personal issue for me as well. My mother was pregnant with me when she was nineteen. She was single, too. It was very hard for her but she kept me and now I'm alive. It's wrong to deny someone that chance...

I am here because my grandmother died while giving birth to my mother

I know and I do tolerate it -but at what point do you have to be a voice for something that doesn't have one?

it is because they have no voice that you have to stand up for them iMHO
it is how we all started out.

now i was raided Catholic and Republican read (pro-life)
but i do believe there are places for abortion

• mothers health (serious issues, not BS ones)
• seriously deformed/handicapped fetuses that will have a life of agony

The first one is easy to reconcile, but the second, not so much
if we abort a baby every time there is something wrong with it, how willl we ever learn to cure it, so it is not a reason to abort in the future

personally i think any woman who uses abortion for birth control should be sterilized in the same procedure

 

[Arcana XV]

I just don't know anymore where I stand. I have always been quite pro-choice my whole life. Giving life and watching it grow is changing me big time on this subject. I am torn because although I do feel in some way abortion is a woman's choice, what is the baby's choice in this? Even if it's not a baby yet or whatever, it's still a living thing. I just have no idea what to think anymore and not knowing every women's situation when she goes to have an abortion, it's hard to say what would be the right thing. I only know the women I know who had abortions did it because it would interfere with their lifestyle at the time and the father wasn't thrilled about it either. Not because they were raped or couldn't financially support the baby, they just didn't want to deal with it at that point. And that's wrong. I supported them through it and I still do, but I can't agree with their decisions. Does this mean I am now pro-life? I mean what's the line and how do you define it?

I changed my mind a little after I had my kid too. I used to be very pro-choice and wished all countries in Europe could have the same abortion laws as the UK where it is legal up to the 24th week. Things changed after I experienced pregnancy. I'm still pro-choice, but I no longer see elective abortion past 12th-14th weeks as something acceptable.

 

[Baralis]

personally i think any woman who uses abortion for birth control should be sterilized in the same procedure

And this is why I am pro-life. I do feel that there are times when an abortion can be justified but most abortions are just birth control for those that have been irresponsible. Anyone that would risk a childs life (by that I mean we really dont know when a group of cells transfroms into a child) so that they can continue to escape responsibility should not be supported.

I personaly know of a woman that has had 4 abortions all because she did not want to take the time to have protected sex.

 

[Laila]

I personaly know of a woman that has had 4 abortions all because she did not want to take the time to have protected sex.

You must know my friends ...
One has had Abortion after abortion because she forgets to use contraceptive and for 3 out of the 5 times, i have gone with her. And every time she promised she would be different, i'm tolerant of alot of things but she pushes that line. She is 23 now, my age and has now found out she cannot have any children
I feel like bitch slapping any women who use it as a form of birth control but i do not want the power to be in the hands of the state, Tackle social and moral decay amongst the youth and women and perhaps Abortions will stop itself. But for me, I'll always support their right to be idiots.

 

[Caine]

You must know my friends ...
One has had Abortion after abortion because she forgets to use contraceptive and for 3 out of the 5 times, i have gone with her. And every time she promised she would be different, i'm tolerant of alot of things but she pushes that line. She is 23 now, my age and has now found out she cannot have any more children
I feel like bitch slapping any women who use it as a form of birth control but i do not want the power to be in the hands of the state, Tackle social and moral decay amongst the youth and women and perhaps Abortions will stop itself. But for me, I'll always support their right to be idiots.

I guess its time to develop a birth control pill for men.
Since apparently dudes don't want to lose the "sensation", and women are too incompetent to be trusted to do the job.

 

[Laila]

I guess its time to develop a birth control pill for men.
Since apparently dudes don't want to lose the "sensation", and women are too incompetent to be trusted to do the job.

I'm surprised such a thing hasn't already been invented. Contraception always falls on the women, why?

 

[Caine]

I'm surprised such a thing hasn't already been invented. Contraception always falls on the women, why?

Well, Do Condoms fall on women?

EDIT: I disagree with the idea that Contraception always falls on women.

Your talking to a guy who just had a vasectomy 2 weeks ago.

 

[Laila]

Well, Do Condoms fall on women?

Well they clearly don't use it judging by Abortion rates ....

 

[Joe1991]

I disagree with the idea that Contraception always falls on women.

Your talking to a guy who just had a vasectomy 2 weeks ago.

I salute you sir for not breeding. :thumbs:


p.s. - sorry 'bout the nuts.

 

[Caine]

I salute you sir for not breeding. :thumbs:


p.s. - sorry 'bout the nuts.

I have 2 beautiful children already, as previously stated in this thread.

 

[talloulou]

I'm surprised such a thing hasn't already been invented. Contraception always falls on the women, why?

Always fails? Yeah they must just make up that 99.7 % effective crapola in the packaging. :roll:

 

[Laila]

Always fails? Yeah they must just make up that 99.7 % effective crapola in the packaging. :roll:

That would work if used .... which it clearly isn't being used as Abortions still occur on a large scale ...

 

[Caine]

Always fails? Yeah they must just make up that 99.7 % effective crapola in the packaging. :roll:

She said falls

 

[Felicity]

All I have to say, Americanwoman, is that your baby girl teaches you something about life--listen to her.

I know that as I have grown older and lived through more and more hardships, the things that seemed like such a huge problem at the moment, in time became simply the "stuff" of living and I'm grateful for the difficult and the blessed. I became pregnant with my oldest as a single girl of 19 years. As you saw in the Tavern, he graduated last week. He taught me so much and continues to teach me to this day. I briefly considered abortion almost 19 years ago--thank GOD I chose his life over my own! In doing that, I gained a life I would not trade for anything. He has made me a better human being simply by being in this world.

Every child holds that potential--every single child can impact the world in that small way that is really so very immense.

 

[Caine]

All I have to say, Americanwoman, is that your baby girl teaches you something about life--listen to her.

I know that as I have grown older and lived through more and more hardships, the things that seemed like such a huge problem at the moment, in time became simply the "stuff" of living and I'm grateful for the difficult and the blessed. I became pregnant with my oldest as a single girl of 19 years. As you saw in the Tavern, he graduated last week. He taught me so much and continues to teach me to this day. I briefly considered abortion almost 19 years ago--thank GOD I chose his life over my own! In doing that, I gained a life I would not trade for anything. He has made me a better human being simply by being in this world.

Every child holds that potential--every single child can impact the world in that small way that is really so very immense.

Thats a nice story.

Unfortunately not everyone feels the same way you do, or is capable of feeling the same way you do, thus I am pro-choice by default.

Because as I said earlier, other idiots killing babies they don't want to raise has little effect on my own children.