It's time to IMPEACH Bush!

[SKILMATIC]

Proud and Noble? Tell that to the families of the 30,000 Iraqis killed in this stupid war.

On the flipside of that you can also tell that to some 25million other iraqis. You forget that the people that accidentally died in combat arent the only iraqis who are there.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Ok, so what did Clinton do AFTER the 4-yr, mark? I believe he made over 1 and a half million jobs in the year of 2000 alone. 9/11. Bush was in office 8 months prior to it. And he definetly was "asleep at the wheel" while the defict was spiraling out of control, and terror attacks were mounting.

You beleive wrong.

For now, but how much has Bush peddeled into Iraq?A month after the invasion, I believe Bush asked Congress for $75billion to cover war costs for 6 months. In September, he asked for another $87 billion- which is more than the combined yearof 2004 budgets for education in the US, job training, in the US, employment, in the US, and other social services. In the US I might add. We are wasting money, which we, the taxpayers are working to support this stupid war.

Liek I said dont worry. The world still owes us some 445quadrillion dollars and rising. That is enough money that we will never go broke even if we spent it on the take over of the world. So get over this stupid argument.

 

[kal-el]

Originally posted by RightatNYU
Actually, he did. Education isn't a federal job, and yet we spent billions on No Child Left Behind.

Actually, schools budgets were in the process of being slashed just as they had increased student achievement standards imposed under your "No child Left Behind" initiative. That was supposed to increase education funding by alot, but even if it did, it wouldn't have been enough to offset the cuts at the state level because federal funding actually funds little education. That is funded by the state.

 

[RightinNYC]

Actually, schools budgets were in the process of being slashed just as they had increased student achievement standards imposed under your "No child Left Behind" initiative. That was supposed to increase education funding by alot, but even if it did, it wouldn't have been enough to offset the cuts at the state level because federal funding actually funds little education. That is funded by the state.

Thank you for making my argument.

Bush increased federal funds for education, which was his pledge.

The states, which Bush has NO control over, cut their education funding.

Now, after wrapping your mind around that, tell me again how you blame BUSH for education cuts?

 

[SKILMATIC]

Thank you for making my argument.

Bush increased federal funds for education, which was his pledge.

The states, which Bush has NO control over, cut their education funding.

Now, after wrapping your mind around that, tell me again how you blame BUSH for education cuts?

Well the thing is he cant tell you how to blame bush for education cuts cause this never happened. Your right it isnt even a federal affair. So I guess that argument is muddled.

 

[AK_Conservative]

Dude, you can show all the numbers you want. Bush and his neocons have a tendency to overspend anyway. I don't know of any republican president that has not spent more and have increased the defict more than this president. The billions of dollars he is spending helping another countries infrastructure he can be spending on this country and making it better.

I think you are having a very biased aproach to this rather than lookin goff facts. Bush's economy is not that bad as u say! the only reason why clinton's economy was so good was due the The FACT he drastically reduced spending in the military and dove into socail security! Look at 8 months after clinton left, 9/11! maybe if he didnt give military fund reducement, we might have seen more angles! wouldnt you say its a possibility? I doubt your bias view would!

Look back to carter! His economy was the worse under any modern president... 14% INFLATION RATE? (give or take)! and this is for you taxpayer: with carter's failure in the economy, Gas was much more expensive then (due to the inflation rate) it is now in true economic terms!

I got a question for the left as well! What if we had a democratic president and the job statistics were as bad as you claim.. Would you still have the same posistion? Would you not even bring it up?

 

[SKILMATIC]

I got a question for the left as well! What if we had a democratic president and the job statistics were as bad as you claim.. Would you still have the same posistion? Would you not even bring it up?

No becasue they would conjecture that a democrat would never have this problem. Becasue democrats arent that stupid. Thats what they would say.

 

[Caine]

I think you are having a very biased aproach to this rather than lookin goff facts. Bush's economy is not that bad as u say! the only reason why clinton's economy was so good was due the The FACT he drastically reduced spending in the military and dove into socail security! Look at 8 months after clinton left, 9/11! maybe if he didnt give military fund reducement, we might have seen more angles! wouldnt you say its a possibility? I doubt your bias view would!

Look back to carter! His economy was the worse under any modern president... 14% INFLATION RATE? (give or take)! and this is for you taxpayer: with carter's failure in the economy, Gas was much more expensive then (due to the inflation rate) it is now in true economic terms!

I got a question for the left as well! What if we had a democratic president and the job statistics were as bad as you claim.. Would you still have the same posistion? Would you not even bring it up?

Actually, I would have the same opinion and I would bring it up. BUT, we don't have a Democratic president and the job statistics ARE NOT as bad as he claims (for democrats anyways, not when compared to a shitty president and both legislative majority leaders under legal heat). Anyways, I would bring it up because I stick to MY beliefs when it comes to government, I don't follow others blindly. Which is what I seem to see from alot of Conservatives, reguardless of the issue. Ive seen plenty of "Liberals" on here that tend to disagree with some of the crazier libs, but I haven't seen any Republican Conservative whatevers to disagree with the Bush administration at all. Even when he has one of the lowest approval ratings EVER.

 

[Caine]

No becasue they would conjecture that a democrat would never have this problem. Becasue democrats arent that stupid. Thats what they would say.

As for this comment, I have one thing to say...
GROW UP KID.
Even though im only a year your senior, When I see your posts I think of somoene in lets say... thier 15 or 16s.

But Im not all negative, every now and then you throw out some intelligent sounding stuff. But I really hate it when people attack others before they have a chance to even put thier word in.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Actually, I would have the same opinion and I would bring it up. BUT, we don't have a Democratic president and the job statistics ARE NOT as bad as he claims (for democrats anyways, not when compared to a shitty president and both legislative majority leaders under legal heat). Anyways, I would bring it up because I stick to MY beliefs when it comes to government, I don't follow others blindly. Which is what I seem to see from alot of Conservatives, reguardless of the issue. Ive seen plenty of "Liberals" on here that tend to disagree with some of the crazier libs, but I haven't seen any Republican Conservative whatevers to disagree with the Bush administration at all. Even when he has one of the lowest approval ratings EVER.

Well again this is apparent to me that you dont know many conservatives. Most conservatives and even on the news vehemently oppose the way Bush is handling our borders. This is the number 2 issue of americas problems.

I also didnt condone the way Bush is spending money down in the Gulf coast. It is plainly stupid. Giving it to the corrupt democrats down there is suicide for that state. What? Ray Neagan is going to get several billion dollars? Oh the people of NO will never see that money. So there are things I dont agree with him on. So lighten up will ya. You sometimes precariously post non essential things to a debate which has no limitations.

As for this comment, I have one thing to say...
GROW UP KID.
Even though im only a year your senior, When I see your posts I think of somoene in lets say... thier 15 or 16s.

Your a what? A senior? Or a year older than me?

First off, I dont care what you think of me cause you will still lose this debate, so you can think of me as a 5 yr old it makes no difference to me.

But what will make a difference is how you will lose this debate. You can lose in lets say a mature way or a incessantly infantile way. The choice is sloely and completely yours. I would only advise you to chose wisely.

But Im not all negative, every now and then you throw out some intelligent sounding stuff. But I really hate it when people attack others before they have a chance to even put thier word in.

Well thanks for the compliment after you just attacked me, however, I havent attacked you or others. When did I do this?

 

[Stu Ghatze]

IMPEACH BUSH MOVEMENT!

Bush has failed us in oh so many ways.

Our "National Guard" is stuck fighting in a nation (QUAGMIRE) called Iraq instead of tending to domestic affairs, as needed.

Hurricane Katrina has OVERWHELMED this Government, as did the WTC attacks on 9/11/01!

FEMA Director Brown, who Bush told "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" 5 days after Hurricane Katrina hit, has resigned and who does Bush appoint as interim Director? David Paulison, the frickin' "duct tape and plastic sheathing, in the case of chemical attack", guy!

Oh boy, don't we feel safe now! NOT!

My goodness George Bush hadn't even seen any footage and didn't have any idea how serious Hurricane Katrina was until the NEXT DAY!

Mississippi still hasn't been tended to by FEMA in many areas.

Hurricane Katrina has shown America and the world the readiness of the United States in case of an emergency. You'd think 4 years after 9/11 we'd have done MUCH BETTER than we did. The Bush Administration has FAILED US AGAIN!

How much more should we have to endure of this President? How long can Rightwing America condone his EVERY MOVE?

Where's the OUTRAGE?

Don't be sad just because the democratic party's lust to bring Bush down has failed!:smile:

Lets see, ..the clowns of the DNC have accused Bush of 9/11 & murdering his own citizens, accused Bush of being a racist, a nazi, a terrorist, a liar, & even one who wanted the poor of New Orleans to die in the hurricane, even though the imbecelic mayor of new Orleans had the buses & the means to save his own citizens days in advance!

Hey...cheer up, the democrats have the perfect scam now, the new party slogan is in the works too: "A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION"...which they are now ALL using, along with the help of a well placed party hack who is a prosecutor who has brought indictment against Tom Delay for a vague charge of "corruption & conspiracy" in regards to campaign finance. Yep...the very same things that the democrats engage in themselves while trying to help other party hopefuls.

Yep...you should have hope; it "might" empower the democrats since they cannot win elections anymore, & besides, its the new way for the democrats to attain legitimacy, & relevancy by smearing, & defaming their adversaries because they cannot get it at the ballot box anymore.

You people CANNOT GET BUSH, God knows the democrats have tried so you might succeed at destroying his supporters who have been effective within the republican party, & Delay has been very effectice I might add.

Be patient, & hang in there...& don't lose hope... as your hypocrites in the democratic party just might have "something" on Tom Delay that might help you guys win in 06' & 08', ..if it doesn't expose their OWN sins as well!:smile:

 

[Comrade Brian]

Don't be sad just because the democratic party's lust to bring Bush down has failed!:smile:

Lets see, ..the clowns of the DNC have accused Bush of 9/11 & murdering his own citizens, accused Bush of being a racist, a nazi, a terrorist, a liar, & even one who wanted the poor of New Orleans to die in the hurricane, even though the imbecelic mayor of new Orleans had the buses & the means to save his own citizens days in advance!

Hey...cheer up, the democrats have the perfect scam now, the new party slogan is in the works too: "A CULTURE OF CORRUPTION"...which they are now ALL using, along with the help of a well placed party hack who is a prosecutor who has brought indictment against Tom Delay for a vague charge of "corruption & conspiracy" in regards to campaign finance. Yep...the very same things that the democrats engage in themselves while trying to help other party hopefuls.

Yep...you should have hope; it "might" empower the democrats since they cannot win elections anymore, & besides, its the new way for the democrats to attain legitimacy, & relevancy by smearing, & defaming their adversaries because they cannot get it at the ballot box anymore.

You people CANNOT GET BUSH, God knows the democrats have tried so you might succeed at destroying his supporters who have been effective within the republican party, & Delay has been very effectice I might add.

Be patient, & hang in there...& don't lose hope... as your hypocrites in the democratic party just might have "something" on Tom Delay that might help you guys win in 06' & 08', ..if it doesn't expose their OWN sins as well!:smile:

Many people are truly idiotic in how they think that there are 2 sides to everythingemocrats and Republicans. You've already assumed he's a democrat, just because he wants Bush impeached. On the wider scale Democrats and Republicans differ only slightly, and both have been coming closer together. Both parties are about as corrupt and power-hungry as the other.

 

[kal-el]

Now, after wrapping your mind around that, tell me again how you blame BUSH for education cuts?

"Head Start" should be called "Slow Start"IMO, Bush failed to keep up with the rate of inflation.
http://www.ourfuture.org/issues_and_campaigns/education/20040202_edu_budget.cfm

 

[MSgt]

Proud and Noble? Tell that to the families of the 30,000 Iraqis killed in this stupid war.

1.) The vast majority of Iraqi's that are no longer subjected to this are greatful we are in this stupid war....

Life under Saddam - "The methods of torture that have been reported and officially documented over the span of his rule include beating detainees while they are suspended by the limbs, applying electric shocks to various parts of the body, falaqa (beating on the soles of the feet), extinguishing cigarettes on the body, extracting finger and toenails, gouging out the ears, and rape. Psychological torture include mock executions, forcing the detainee to watch others being tortured and solitary confinement."

2) The vast majority of that 30,000 killed are not of our doing. This is a problem within their religion. The only way to take back those deaths or to stop any more would be for all of those Iraqis that voted or didn't vote out of fear, is to agree to live as they did under Saddam or Al-Queda. Freedom is not free.


Your reply to this would be along the lines that they aren't our problem and we didn't go there to "liberate" them! What ever reasons you focused on, does not change the fact that that's what we are there for now and it doesn't matter. Even if we found warehouses full of nuclear missiles, the Iraqi people would still be liberated.

Why do you insist on distoring everything and painting the most extreme negative painting of this as possible?

 

[cnredd]

Ive seen plenty of "Liberals" on here that tend to disagree with some of the crazier libs, but I haven't seen any Republican Conservative whatevers to disagree with the Bush administration at all. Even when he has one of the lowest approval ratings EVER.

Oh really?

Tell me, O-ye-of-50-posts...where are these comments that you speak of?...Specifically?...I would really like to see "plenty" as you claim...:roll:

 

[wxcrazytwo]

1.) The vast majority of Iraqi's that are no longer subjected to this are greatful we are in this stupid war....

Life under Saddam - "The methods of torture that have been reported and officially documented over the span of his rule include beating detainees while they are suspended by the limbs, applying electric shocks to various parts of the body, falaqa (beating on the soles of the feet), extinguishing cigarettes on the body, extracting finger and toenails, gouging out the ears, and rape. Psychological torture include mock executions, forcing the detainee to watch others being tortured and solitary confinement."

2) The vast majority of that 30,000 killed are not of our doing. This is a problem within their religion. The only way to take back those deaths or to stop any more would be for all of those Iraqis that voted or didn't vote out of fear, is to agree to live as they did under Saddam or Al-Queda. Freedom is not free.


Your reply to this would be along the lines that they aren't our problem and we didn't go there to "liberate" them! What ever reasons you focused on, does not change the fact that that's what we are there for now and it doesn't matter. Even if we found warehouses full of nuclear missiles, the Iraqi people would still be liberated.

Why do you insist on distoring everything and painting the most extreme negative painting of this as possible?

SINCE N. KOREA IS MUCH MORE OPPRESSIVE THAN IRAQ CAN WE INVADE THEM TO? THOUGHT SO.

http://www.state.gov/p/eap/rls/rm/2003/21269.htm

 

[MSgt]

SINCE N. KOREA IS MUCH MORE OPPRESSIVE THAN IRAQ CAN WE INVADE THEM TO? THOUGHT SO.

http://www.state.gov/p/eap/rls/rm/2003/21269.htm

If it weren't for their nukes, why not? Dismissing one person's misery, because it is worse somewhere else is no reason to be impotent to the other. If we went to Korea and survived the possibility of nuclear strike, you would just bitch that the Sudanese have it worse. THOUGHT SO.

I guess caps is like screaming? PPhhff.

 

[wxcrazytwo]

If it weren't for their nukes, why not? Dismissing one person's misery, because it is worse somewhere else is no reason to be impotent. If we went to Korea and survived the possibility of nuclear strike, you would just bitch that the Sudanese have it worse. THOUGHT SO.

I guess caps is like screaming? PPhhff.

quit your cat scratching, Korea would obliterate us and you know it. I knew marines where brainwashed at bootcamp, but jeese you take the cake, dude.

 

[MSgt]

Oh really?

Tell me, O-ye-of-50-posts...where are these comments that you speak of?...Specifically?...I would really like to see "plenty" as you claim...:roll:

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! ........"O-ye-of-50-posts"

 

[MSgt]

Oh really?

Tell me, O-ye-of-50-posts...where are these comments that you speak of?...Specifically?...I would really like to see "plenty" as you claim...:roll:

Douple posts kick ass!

 

[MSgt]

quit your cat scratching, Korea would obliterate us and you know it. I knew marines where brainwashed at bootcamp, but jeese you take the cake, dude.

Obliterate us? You mean military against military? I'm speechless. Perhaps a lesson on your military is in order. The question is still out whether or not the North can even beat the South.

 

[wxcrazytwo]

Obliterate us? You mean military against military? I'm speechless. Perhaps a lesson on your military is in order. The question is still out whether or not the North can even beat the South.

Dude we have proven we cannot fight in the jungle, and their army out numbers ours. We are too arrogant that is why we will not do well with N. Korea...

 

[MSgt]

Dude we have proven we cannot fight in the jungle, and their army out numbers ours. We are too arrogant that is why we will not do well with N. Korea...

That sealed your ignorance on anything military. Stick to whatever it is you do.

Numbers do not matter over technology and training. We have attack plans for many different contingincies around the globe. We are very good at what we do. We have been outnumbered in many battles and wars. Like I said learn about your military instead of ignorantly passing knowledge. Korea is mountainous and foresty. Not Jungle. We also kicked the Vietcongs ass in the Jungle. Quiting and pulling out does not mean defeat......dude. Maybe a history lesson is in order also.

By the way...who is this "we?" Just curious.

 

[wxcrazytwo]

That sealed your ignorance on anything military. Stick to whatever it is you do.

Numbers do not matter over technology and training. We have been outnumbered in many battles and wars. Like I said learn about your military instead of ignorantly passing knowledge. Korea is mountainous and foresty. Not Jungle. We also kicked the Vietcongs ass in the Jungle. Quiting and pulling out does not mean defeat......dude. Maybe a history lesson is in order also.

By the way...who is this "we?" Just curious.

We are very good at what we do.

Really, how many friendly fire deaths have we had in Iraq versus combat related deaths? How many at home when we are not in combat related situations? Quitting and pulling out does not mean defeat, so you agree we quit and pulled out. Mountainous-forestry same thing.

 

[Caine]

That sealed your ignorance on anything military. Stick to whatever it is you do.

Numbers do not matter over technology and training. We have attack plans for many different contingincies around the globe. We are very good at what we do. We have been outnumbered in many battles and wars. Like I said learn about your military instead of ignorantly passing knowledge. Korea is mountainous and foresty. Not Jungle. We also kicked the Vietcongs ass in the Jungle. Quiting and pulling out does not mean defeat......dude. Maybe a history lesson is in order also.

By the way...who is this "we?" Just curious.

I would say that if the people who planned our great "Shock and Awe" campaign in Iraq planned this little fake war we are talking about right now, then yes, It would be a miserable road to walk down for many years.