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It's time for Trump to concede and move on

No. Nobody needs to show it to the public. And the courts should NEVER base their decision on public opinion.

Seriously...that's why we have laws.
The courts are NOT going to overturn this election without massive public support for doing so. They need to make the case to the public, then head to the courts. If they can prove this computer system switched votes, then they need to come out and show us how it was done. There is no need to wait for the courtroom to do that. They arent doing it because they cant do it. What they have is a theory. What they dont have is evidence o back it up. Thats the definition of a CT.
 
Okay. Now if I can only get the forum anti-Trumps to admit that Trump won fair and square in 2016.

I'm taking names. ;)
I think he did. However, I will also say the issues caused by outfits like Cambridge Analytica are still alive and even worse today.
 
lol...this time it was a Republican judge telling Trump to pound sand, perhaps the final such edict.



I dont care how much evidence you bring, the idea that a judge is going to toss out millions of votes and throw a national election into chaos is preposterous. You have to first convince the public that the election was a fraud before any court is going to take the type of actions the Trump team is demanding. And frankly, thats the way it should be.
 
That's an alien concept to how Trump operates. It's a value that's perceived as "weak" in the Roy Cohn playbook. Think of this as a street brawl, not a boxing match.

Conceding would go against the philosophy of "being a killer".

I think Ivanka hit the nail on the head for why he should concede: Damages his legacy as President and the status of his businesses.

I hear that Trump pays his lawyers 20k a day to defend him.
 
Conceding would go against the philosophy of "being a killer".

Yep. It's all binary choices in the playbook he's using.

I think Ivanka hit the nail on the head for why he should concede: Damages his legacy as President and the status of his businesses.

I hear that Trump pays his lawyers 20k a day to defend him.

I'm curious about this part, because I suspect Trump is already finding ways to monetize his base. We already see it in the form of collecting money from those supporting his election fraud claim.
 
Why does it sound like that to you? When have I said I won't accept the final ruling?

LOL!! One thing you can say for sure is that I won't be screaming into the night sky. Can't say the same for the Trump haters. Hell, they'll be screaming, burning, assaulting for weeks after the final ruling.

You won't accept trump's own lawyers saying there's been no fraud, and you won't accept the rulings of every judge who's thrown out 29 of 31 of trump's lawsuits (the two wins, incidentally, were not related to any fraud), so there's no reason to believe you when you say you'll accept the "final" ruling.

Your beliefs aren't based in reality, so there's no expectation that any subsequent beliefs of yours will be based in reality.
 
I'm curious about this part, because I suspect Trump is already finding ways to monetize his base. We already see it in the form of collecting money from those supporting his election fraud claim.

It is up in the air about the future of the GOP. Are they going to go further into loony tunes land or move toward the left?

I know Trump is popular within the Republican base now, but I am not sure if that will last.
 
I fully expect this to go on until January 20th when we will face the biggest constitutional crisis yet.
 
I fully expect this to go on until January 20th when we will face the biggest constitutional crisis yet.

It's over on January 6th at the latest...
 
The courts are NOT going to overturn this election without massive public support for doing so. They need to make the case to the public, then head to the courts. If they can prove this computer system switched votes, then they need to come out and show us how it was done. There is no need to wait for the courtroom to do that. They arent doing it because they cant do it. What they have is a theory. What they dont have is evidence o back it up. Thats the definition of a CT.
It is not going to be overturned BUT The Courts should ONLY go by the rule of law and not pay any attention to public opinion
They should not go by what the Public supports but what the reads
Have a nice day
 
It is up in the air about the future of the GOP. Are they going to go further into loony tunes land or move toward the left?

I know Trump is popular within the Republican base now, but I am not sure if that will last.

The longevity of Trump's influence on the GOP does indeed remain to be seen. I think it will last mainly because Trump will look to keep himself inserted in the political scene because it's an easy way to maintain his relevance. The bigger question I have regarding the future of the GOP is whether they'll float more candidates like Trump in future elections.

Every political strategist and politician hopeful will be aware of the success Trump's influence over the GOP as well as the tactics Trump used to gain support. I expect to see this in 2022 if Trump remains in the limelight and generating the same level of support.
 
Conceding would go against the philosophy of "being a killer".

I think Ivanka hit the nail on the head for why he should concede: Damages his legacy as President and the status of his businesses.

I hear that Trump pays his lawyers 20k a day to defend him.

Imagine making 20k a day and using shoe polish to dye your hair. So much winning.
 
The longevity of Trump's influence on the GOP does indeed remain to be seen. I think it will last mainly because Trump will look to keep himself inserted in the political scene because it's an easy way to maintain his relevance. The bigger question I have regarding the future of the GOP is whether they'll float more candidates like Trump in future elections.

Every political strategist and politician hopeful will be aware of the success Trump's influence over the GOP as well as the tactics Trump used to gain support. I expect to see this in 2022 if Trump remains in the limelight and generating the same level of support.

Of course. He should do what Obama did if Biden does become president. Do everything possible to undermine Biden.
 
It is not going to be overturned BUT The Courts should ONLY go by the rule of law and not pay any attention to public opinion
They should not go by what the Public supports but what the reads
Have a nice day
The GOP is only going by public opinion of Trump supporters above all else. They are petrified of receiving an angry tweet!
 
I believe Trump will go to his grave asserting he won this past election.

He doesn't care what damage he does, he just cannot bring himself to admit defeat.

You wouldn't want to play Monopoly with him.

"Some of them still today don't recognize Bush as the winner of the 2000 election"
Some still haven't recognized Trump's win in 2016, the last 4 years have been little more than denying it, agitating against it, resisting against it, actively sabotaging of a legitimately elected president and his administration. Did that not happen?

Why do you expect any better or any different behavior from non-Democrats at the result of this election?
Seems the Democrats & progressives have set a new floor for standards and norms both in 2000 and 2016 when you don't like the outcome of an election.

Turn about being fair play, the new floor for standards and norms having been set, this would seem to indicate mass demonstrations and riots, resistance, and the active sabotage of this legitimately elected president and his administration. Would it not?
This long list (there's lots more) is exactly what the Democrats & progressives have done since 2016.
Now you expect those who don't like the outcome of this election to behave any different?
You expect who don't like the outcome of this election to forget how the Democrats & progressives have behaved in the last 4 years?

I rather think that this is likely not going to happen, this forgetting how badly the Democrats and progressives have behaved themselves these last 4 years.

I've been wondering if Trump is not conceding to illustrate the above point. He definitely is held to an entirely different standard; rules for thee but not for me.
 
You belong to the "alternative facts" club, not I.

The irony is rich above.
You used alternative facts when you said it took me over two weeks to bring myself to say Trump lost when the facts, (all my posts), indicate I always said Biden won from the very beginning.

If you want to keep lying... go right ahead.
 
The courts are NOT going to overturn this election without massive public support for doing so. They need to make the case to the public, then head to the courts. If they can prove this computer system switched votes, then they need to come out and show us how it was done. There is no need to wait for the courtroom to do that. They arent doing it because they cant do it. What they have is a theory. What they dont have is evidence o back it up. Thats the definition of a CT.
I disagree. It will be determined over the evidence they present not public support. The Trump attorneys never expected to win many cases in District courts but on appeal take their cases before the Circuit courts. There they will present witnesses and evidence and that is when the people will learn exactly what that evidence looks like.
Some of the allegations Powell has made that are jaw dropping related to Dominion and other software are


  • Joe Biden votes being "weighted" at 1.25 times and President Donald Trump votes being parsed at 3/4.
  • Algorithms that gave Democrats running for offices with 35,000 extra votes.
  • Modifications made to voting machines after statutory cutoff dates for changes.
  • Past election victories, including Hillary Clinton's primary victory over Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., being forced decided by Dominion Voting Systems.
  • Alleged pay-for-play kick backs to public officials, potentially even Georgia GOP Gov. Kemp for a late grant to use Dominion Voting Systems.
She is going to have to present witnesses that can testify to such things which she claims she has the goods to prove. According to her latest statements she is starting in Georgia this week.

Something happened a couple of days ago at the SC. There were new Circuit assignments for the Justices. Very interesting which Justice was assigned to which court when it pertains to states that are being challenged.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/circuitAssignments.aspx
 
The irony is rich above.
You used alternative facts when you said it took me over two weeks to bring myself to say Trump lost when the facts, (all my posts), indicate I always said Biden won from the very beginning.

If you want to keep lying... go right ahead.
Not really, Trix.

The fat lady sang? I know she's warming up her vocals but...


LOL! I'll leave you with your delusions about Trump losing in a landslide.
 
Not really, Trix.


Yeah, really. We were still counting votes then. When the voting was completed, the lady sang.

On Nov. 12th, I wrote:
I think most know Biden won and will remain the president-elect and go forward to be elected as the 46th president.
However, remember when the left cried for days, weeks, months, and even longer claiming Trump was not the legitimate president of the U.S.? Remember when they cried that he colluded with Russia to rig the election? Remember when they said he must be removed from office because he was compromised by Putin? .... For at least the first year of Trump's reign, I don't know how many times I had to remind some anti-Trump naysayer that he won fair and square... They wouldn't listen. So, can you really expect the most loyal to simply fall in line with the left's request to recognize right now, today, that Biden won fair and square? What goes around, comes around?

On Nov. 9th I wrote:
Please stop being a poor winner. I've accepted that Biden won. Now get busy and try to demonstrate some of that civility dear leader has promised

There's more but these two will suffice. ^
 
Please don't make the mistake that article writer makes. There is absolutely NO reason for the Trump campaign to present any evidence to the public. The public is not a party to their lawsuits. Public opinion will not affect the outcome of any lawsuits. Just because the Trump campaign won't detail their evidence in any public forum, that does NOT mean there is no evidence.

Instead of counseling giving up and conceding, I suggest you wait and see how it plays out.

The bolded would be sound advice to Trump's legal team who continually tells the public all of the so-called details but offers no evidence to the courts. This is why substantially all of his lawsuits are dismissed nearly immediately.

Judge Matthew Brann's dismissal of Trump's Pennsylvania suit was particularly scathing.


There is no legal substance to ANYTHING Trump is alleging. He's got nothing!

As to "waiting for it to play out"...... it has played out. This is over. The OP realizes, but your denial appears to be very deep. You know what they say about "the truth shall set you free"..... once you come to grips with the truth you will be free to join the rest of us in meaningful contemporary political discussion.

Here is where you are, Mr. Bruin's fan.



Its over. The fat lady has not only sung, she is on her way home.
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