frazier991
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In the subject you wrote "all," as in, it was "all" their fault, and you included Bush as well as Cheney. Once you got within the thread you reeled it in quite a bit, and got more specific: the BP spill, and Cheney only. So you have a penchant for hyperbole when representing points of view that you disagree with.
So, ... what did your friends REALLY say? And ,more importantly, why are you asking us to provide explanations for their positions? Why don't you ask them?
He also killed the Easter Bunny.
But he didn't shoot him in the face?
I think his gun priveledges have been revoked, he now prefers a Louisville Slugger. :shock:But he didn't shoot him in the face?
If the Obama Administration does nothing to improve the condition of oil rig safety and somehow loses the next election, will oil drilling safety oversight still be Bush's problem? Just wondering? At what point do we start passing blame to the next administration?That all said, I am not overly impressed with Obama's take charge post-disaster. Any screw-ups in the disaster mitigation (capping and clean-up), are his fault. But the fact we have a disaster, is a reflection of the lack of governmental oversight of our off-shore oil & gas drilling activities. This culture is from the previous administration.
If the Obama Administration does nothing to improve the condition of oil rig safety and somehow loses the next election, will oil drilling safety oversight still be Bush's problem? Just wondering? At what point do we start passing blame to the next administration?
Yeah, that's just about what I thought you'd say.No president has a magic wand. But if what led to this was what was done under Bush, his administration would hold some blame. Everything can't be changed in an instant, and it is unrealistic to expect it. But if after this Obama makes no changes, he would be responsible for not making the changes. However, that would not absolve anyone else from what he or she did. This event would still be the responsibility of everyone who contributed.
Yeah, that's just about what I thought you'd say.
Evidently Halliburton was contracted by BP to improve some type of cement plugs used at the base of oil rig riser pipes and never completed the job or did not complete it effectively for reasons unknown to me. It must be pointed out;however that Dick Cheney left Halliburton in the year 2000, before this contract was initiated. I don't see the connection to Cheney.What I'm curious about, is that BP is a British company-did Cheney influence an international body concerning regulations-I honestly don't know how that all works. I know there are international bodies on certain things like trade, etc., I'm really not coming from a position on all of this-I'm just trying to learn-I honestly appreciate the input from Bush admin detractors, and conservatives as well. Some of this international stuff can be a bit confusing.
Poor analogy. Shooting implies willful intent. I don't think the Bush Administration is guilty of willfully endangering lives in this instance. Negligence, maybe. BTW you said things couldn't be changed in an "instant." I don't see four years as an "instant."Do you disagree? If I shoot someone, does your shooting him absolve me?
Poor analogy. Shooting implies willful intent. I don't think the Bush Administration is guilty of willfully endangering lives in this instance. Negligence, maybe. BTW you said things couldn't be changed in an "instant." I don't see four years as an "instant."
So am I.Thanks, Fluffy-I'm learning.
If Party#2 was aware of the negligence,had a chance to fix the wrong, did nothing, and still continued to allow the negligence to occur.....I would say Party #2 deserves to shoulder the blame.Willful or not, say I do some neglegent, as you suggest, and do it as well, would that absolve me?
As for four years, it hasn't been four years yet. I did say if after this Obama makes no changes, he would be responsible for not making the changes.
If Party#2 was aware of the negligence,had a chance to fix the wrong, did nothing, and still continued to allow the negligence to occur.....I would say Party #2 deserves to shoulder the blame.
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