It's 10/7/23 and Israel must obey your will to the letter.

[Apocalypse]

Its just tiring how any time innocent people die they say the word hamas.

Israel told people to go to the south to rafah to a safe zone then they bombed the safe zone.

They said dont worry you will be safe were only killing people in hamas who dont flee to the south.

No one promised anyone's safety. Safe zones are simply safer than other zones in Gaza. But if Hamas operates in a location, this location will clearly be attacked.

 

[Apocalypse]

I do not support the destruction of Gaza's health system. A hospital whose primary purpose is to house sick and injured civilians along with dedicated health care personnel who are just trying to save lives, should not be a legitimate target.

Recognised hospitals and health care facilities should not lose their protected status.

Please don't attack hospitals. Fight Hamas elsewhere.

Hamas places great parts of its more important assets in these hospitals because it knows they have a status of immunity even to people who aren't terror supporters such as yourself.
It's not a nice thing to say but it's because of people like you that hospitals are even part of this war. Not that you intend it, but it's a clear result of the propaganda value that wouldn't exist if there weren't people who were giving it a reason to exist by playing into Hamas propaganda.

If Israel is to be able to destroy Hamas, it is only logical that without targeting these places it would not be able to do so. It is only thus logical it must target these places.
Some of Israel's biggest military achievements so far in this war were as a direct result of targeting a school or an hospital. Hamas lost the most of its military assets at these kind of locations.

What you should be saying is "Hamas please don't use hospitals for terrorist and military purposes".
And to that you can also add "Israel please try your best to minimize the damage to these places and its civilian inhabitants when you rightfully target what were hospitals turned into key Hamas military assets".

But you're not saying that.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The last thing I would want to be is in charge of a whole country.

That’s a lot of responsibility and more than I want.

 

[oneworld2]

No one's hands are clean.
It's a question of how to get Hezbollah and Hamas to stop lobbing rockets into Israel.
My answer is to wipe Hezbollah and Hamas off the face of this earth.

You looked at that list and the only thing you can say is, "No one's hands are clean"

So you ignore it and focus on some war crimes by Hezbollah and Hamas?

That should tell everyone just how highly selective and biased your positions really are.

Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis too have been saying that as soon as the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians stop, so will their attacks.

You should just come out and say that you don't believe that the Palestinians have ANY rights to end the 57 year long illegal Israeli atrocities list I compiled.

You too start at step 2 instead of step 1 so as to paint the aggressors as the victims. And you expect to be taken seriously?

 

[oneworld2]

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^^^^ Owned again!!!!

 

[zincwarrior]

Nuke 'em all and then say the magic word "Hamas."

1. Pretty close. Nuke Iran. Nuke Hezbullah in southern Lebanon. Firebomb Gaza, and destroy its water and power.
Inversely declare the West Bank is its own separate country and will be treated as an independent nation by Israel going forward.

2. Alternatively, announce the entire nation of Israel (including the Wailing Wall) is moving to Brownsville, Texas to found New Israel. Ship everything: lock stock and barrel.

 

[snakestretcher]

Its just tiring how any time innocent people die they say the word hamas.

Israel told people to go to the south to rafah to a safe zone then they bombed the safe zone.

They said dont worry you will be safe were only killing people in hamas who dont flee to the south.

Bottom line; if the IDF tells you somewhere is 'safe', don't go there! Nowhere in the Gaza strip is safe, and despite all the transparent protestations about precision weapons (2000lb bombs), and doing their best to target only the bad guys, it's quite clear the IDF is using the same indiscriminate area bombing strategy employed by the allied air forces against German civilian targets in WW2. That was also a failed strategy.

 

[snakestretcher]

Hamas leadership dead hezbollah leadership dead. Israel have destroyed its enemies they have won

Want to try that again in English?

 

[jaypatriot]

You looked at that list and the only thing you can say is, "No one's hands are clean"

So you ignore it and focus on some war crimes by Hezbollah and Hamas?

That should tell everyone just how highly selective and biased your positions really are.

Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis too have been saying that as soon as the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians stop, so will their attacks.

You should just come out and say that you don't believe that the Palestinians have ANY rights to end the 57 year long illegal Israeli atrocities list I compiled.

You too start at step 2 instead of step 1 so as to paint the aggressors as the victims. And you expect to be taken seriously?

The aggressors who attacked Israel on 10/7 and Hezbollah who started bombing Israel on 10/8 deserve to be destroyed because THEY STARTED THE PRESENT CONFLICT!!

 

[snakestretcher]

I don't know all of the the answers and I couldn't be sicker of those with extreme views on both sides, but here's what I do know.

I don't live in a world where I can look at an Israeli and Palestinian civilian and not see their lives as equal. If you do then you are part of the problem. They are equal and they are worthy.

I also like to think that I have much higher standards than Hamas and just because they don't appear to care much about the civilians in Gaza, it doesn't mean other decent human beings should not. It's ok to not hate all Palestinians and Israelis.

It's also ok for people to help anyone in great need of assistance. International and independent medical humanitarian organisations have been delivering emergency medical aid to people affected by armed conflict and other healthcare needs in countries worldwide for years without being dehumanized and made out to be terrorist supporters or being asked "but why are you in Gaza, why not somewhere else." No one ever tries to dehumanize them if they go to Africa, Ukraine, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria, South Sudan, etc.

It's disgraceful. Don't say it doesn't happen because it does.

And now for probably the most unpopular view here...

I do not support the destruction of Gaza's health system. A hospital whose primary purpose is to house sick and injured civilians along with dedicated health care personnel who are just trying to save lives, should not be a legitimate target.

Recognised hospitals and health care facilities should not lose their protected status.

Please don't attack hospitals. Fight Hamas elsewhere.

I find it curious that, after levelling entire districts, the IDF claim that every destroyed house, every apartment block shelled, every hospital machine-gunned, every refugee centre bombed was a "Hamas command centre'. That pathetic excuse ran out of credit. This is nothing less than genocide compounded by clear statements from Israeli government minsters that it isn't enough, and starving to death 2000 million Gazan civilians is 'morally justifiable.

Smotrich: It may be ‘justified’ to starve 2 million Gazans, but world won’t let us

Far-right minister expresses support for resettling Gaza, says October 7 wouldn't have happened had it not been for 2005 disengagement from Strip

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[jaypatriot]

Bottom line; if the IDF tells you somewhere is 'safe', don't go there! Nowhere in the Gaza strip is safe, and despite all the transparent protestations about precision weapons (2000lb bombs), and doing their best to target only the bad guys, it's quite clear the IDF is using the same indiscriminate area bombing strategy employed by the allied air forces against German civilian targets in WW2. That was also a failed strategy.

Bombing Germany in WW II a failed strategy?
The allies destroyed their war-making capabilities which is what the IDF is doing to Hamas and Hezbollah.
All Hezbollah/Hamas have to do in order to bring peace to that region is to give up and spare the people any further death and destruction is to GIVE UP!
But their radical Islamist insanity won't let them do that.
So more civilians must die to satisfy their twisted vision to kill more Jews.

 

[Gardener]

My suggestion to Israel would be to do what they have been doing, and not let all the Islamist-supporting antisemites intimidating them in the arena of public opinion.

 

[zincwarrior]

Another option could have been to attack Hamas and Hezbullah as they have done, and also eliminate Iran's oil industry in retaliation for the attack.

 

[Gardener]

Hamas places great parts of its more important assets in these hospitals because it knows they have a status of immunity even to people who aren't terror supporters such as yourself.
It's not a nice thing to say but it's because of people like you that hospitals are even part of this war. Not that you intend it, but it's a clear result of the propaganda value that wouldn't exist if there weren't people who were giving it a reason to exist by playing into Hamas propaganda.

If Israel is to be able to destroy Hamas, it is only logical that without targeting these places it would not be able to do so. It is only thus logical it must target these places.
Some of Israel's biggest military achievements so far in this war were as a direct result of targeting a school or an hospital. Hamas lost the most of its military assets at these kind of locations.

What you should be saying is "Hamas please don't use hospitals for terrorist and military purposes".
And to that you can also add "Israel please try your best to minimize the damage to these places and its civilian inhabitants when you rightfully target what were hospitals turned into key Hamas military assets".

But you're not saying that.

"Kill all the Jews you want as long as you operate as a terrorist, not an army" is the prevalent attitude among too much of the left.

What a neat trick to pull off when you single out Jews as the one people on earth who cannot be allowed to defend themselves because those killing them are doing so in a certain way".

 

[snakestretcher]

Bombing Germany in WW II a failed strategy?
The allies destroyed their war-making capabilities which is what the IDF is doing to Hamas and Hezbollah.
All Hezbollah/Hamas have to do in order to bring peace to that region is to give up and spare the people any further death and destruction is to GIVE UP!
But their radical Islamist insanity won't let them do that.
So more civilians must die to satisfy their twisted vision to kill more Jews.

Yes, it failed. Arthur Harris claimed that area bombing of civilian targets would shorten the war by six months. It didn't. He claimed it would destroy civilian morale. It didn't; any more than the Blitz on Britain destroyed our morale. If anything morale was strengthened.

Arthur Harris - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zincwarrior]

Yes, it failed. Arthur Harris claimed that area bombing of civilian targets would shorten the war by six months.

You have no proof it didn't shorten the war. It certainly did in the Pacific when we area bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[snakestretcher]

My suggestion to Israel would be to do what they have been doing, and not let all the Islamist-supporting antisemites intimidating them in the arena of public opinion.

Criticising Israel's attempted genocide is anti-Semitism in your view? How childishly simplistic.

 

[Gardener]

Criticising Israel's attempted genocide is anti-Semitism in your view? How childishly simplistic.

There is no attempted genocide.

Only antisemites claim there is.

 

[snakestretcher]

You have no proof it didn't shorten the war. It certainly did in the Pacific when we area bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Japan was already on her knees after numerous fire-bombing raids incinerated her cities. Evidence that Harris' strategy failed is in the fact the Germany's aircraft production continued to increase until May 1945 and the final victory in Europe.

http://www.econ.yale.edu/growth_pdf/cdp905.pdf

 

[zincwarrior]

Japan was already on her knees after numerous fire-bombing raids incinerated her cities. Evidence that Harris' strategy failed is in the fact the Germany's aircraft production continued to increase until May 1945 and the final victory in Europe.

http://www.econ.yale.edu/growth_pdf/cdp905.pdf

City bombing was not meant to eliminate German aircraft production.

As for Japan, again the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima definitely shortened the war.
What the Israelis are doing is not area bombing.

 

[snakestretcher]

There is no attempted genocide.

Only antisemites claim there is.

I guess the ICJ and everyone criticising Israel's atrocities are all anti-Semitic. How pathetic. Try another argument; you ran over your credit limit with that predictable accusation. Doesn't work any longer.

 

[snakestretcher]

City bombing was not meant to eliminate German aircraft production.

As for Japan, again the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima definitely shortened the war.
What the Israelis are doing is not area bombing.

It was meant to defeat civilian morale as I stated earlier, and as Harris claimed it would. It did not. So you don't consider the dropping of 2000lb bombs which destroy entire neighbourhoods, as area bombing? Interesting.

Press Release: New study shows Israel air-dropped 2000lb bombs within lethal and damage ranges of hospitals in Gaza – FXB Center

fxb.harvard.edu

 

[zincwarrior]

It was meant to defeat civilian morale as I stated earlier, and as Harris claimed it would. It did not. So you don't consider the dropping of 2000lb bombs which destroy entire neighbourhoods, as area bombing? Interesting.

Press Release: New study shows Israel air-dropped 2000lb bombs within lethal and damage ranges of hospitals in Gaza – FXB Center

fxb.harvard.edu

Nope. Area bombing is B-52 cell strikes or half Kiloton strikes like we did with North Vietnam, or alternatively thermobaric bombs. My view anyway. Your mileage may vary.

I guess the essential question to be asked, what could they do differently to get the hostages back and end this?

 

[MamboDervish]

^^^^ Owned again!!!!

Yeah ..... you win! .... at beating a dead horse!

Try for another? I'm sure I you can whip up an entire stable full of them.

 

[Evilroddy]

1) Immediately clear Israel proper of armed Palestinian militants from Gaza. By Israel proper I mean the pre-1967 boundaries of the State of Israel.
2) Begin suppressing militant rocket, missile and mortar fire using spotting drones, attack drones, artillery and as a last resort very precise and limited air strikes at launching sites only.
3) Mass sufficient Israeli military forces around Gaza for an overwhelming invasion.
4) Cross into Gaza in a limited way to set up protected zones, vehicle laagers and staging areas for future operations deeper into Gaza. Use special forces, drones. satellite reconnaissance and espionage assets to make military plans and begin to conduct reconnaissance raids, prisoner snatches and targeted actions against militant strongholds or staging areas near Israeli intra-Gaza marshalling points.
5) Set up marshalling areas for the evacuation of the willing Gazan civilian population and move them out of Gaza at a targeted rate of 50,000 persons a day.
6) Clear the West Bank of all illegal Israeli settlers in preparation for step seven.
7) Transfer temporarily Gazan children, women, elderly, infirmed, healthcare workers, teachers, etc. out of Gaza and into illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem. Billet more with willing Israeli families, especially Arab Israeli families and ask for international financial aid to help supply and temporarily house these families. Build temporary housing camps in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and rural Israeli lands which can support human life in large numbers.
8) Offer adult male Gazans Israeli citizenship after the fact or future positions of power in a post-war Gaza if they will join the fight against the Hamas and other Gazan militants who attacked and committed atrocities against Israeli civilians. Screen, select, induct and then train them as an auxiliary military and liaison force to support IDF operations in Gaza. Kit them out with older weapons and less effective body-armour in case they defect to the militants. Implant tracking devices into each of them as a prerequisite for joining the auxiliary force. Invite reliable foreign Arab militaries to send in small contingents of trained soldiers to help fight the militants and to help train and lead Palestinian auxiliary troops in combat.
9) Intern all adult males and adolescent males aged 15 and over separately from each other and from the rest of the displaced Palestinian population, if they do not volunteer to help Israel fight Gazan militants. Screen these internees carefully and gradually release those deemed most safe into other temporary civilian holding communities to help support their fellow displaced Palestinians.
10) Make an offer to Hezbollah to not attack Israel if Israel returns occupied Lebanese territories to Lebanon, commits to a two-state solution for Palestinians and promises to conduct its anti-Hamas campaign as humanely as possible. Warn Hezbollah and all of Lebanon that if it continues to attack Israel then Lebanon will lose all of Its territory south and east of the Litani River permanently.
11) Use the time taken to clear Gaza as much as possible of willing civilians to amass very large water pumps, gas pumps for pressurization of air in tunnels, stocks piles of sub-lethal disabling gasses, high performance small drones, small armed drones and tens of thousands of shaped charge explosives for mouse-holing into buildings and between different parts of building.
12) When all pre-invasion preparations are complete then the real bloody work begins. Flood with water and with sub-lethal disabling gasses tunnels to drive militants out of their subterranean fortresses and up to the surface. Use amphibious drones to blow flood prevention doors to keep the flooding form being defeated. Flood Gaza with surveillance drones to locate and target concentrations of militants for killing or if there are hostages or civilians with disabling. Have special forces teams move to kill or capture the disabled militants plus rescue surviving hostages and use Palestinian auxiliaries to forcibly remove and protect Gazan civilians caught in the battle zone to staging points outside of Gaza.

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