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It Was a Corrupt Quid Pro Quo

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Trump claiming he is going to release a "Transcript" of the first call with Zalinsky from earlier in the year. I got a better idea DonDon. Release an actual Transcript of the July 25th call.
 

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Did Biden have the authority to withhold the loan?

No he was working under the orders of the president, not for personal gain.

I don't know why this is so damn hard to understand???
Well, Trump is the POTUS and can request Ukraine to assist in looking at corruption involving the 2016 election. It's funny that you see no personal interest on Biden's part while his son was raking in cash at Burisma but Trump is to be impeached for doing what he has the authority, even the obligation, to do.
 

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It is not a matter of belief, it is a known quantity.

Once again you are confused about "know", you cannot know a thing you just IMAGINED. We KNOW the facts of of the loan guarantees to Ukraine, facts which you can't even begin to dispute.Again, you think imagining a thing makes it real, this is delusional thinking.

If you can't debate the facts, take it to the CT forum.
You guys imagined the Russian collusion hoax and had us waste $40M on it. That's what's delusional. Now, you're off to Plan B. Or is it C? Maybe D?
 

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Horse****, it's not clear because it's just not true.

A non corrupt quid pro quo is done all the time, a corrupt quid pro quo is not.


Funnything, given how the right hated Obama and Biden, surely they would have raised a stink about it at the time, but they sure as hell did not.

You guys are grasping at straws.
There's no quid pro quo in Trump's conversation with Zelensky so it can neither be non-corrupt nor corrupt. It simply didn't happen, the opinions of establishment barnacles notwithstanding. This thing is going to fail and fail miserably. Let's see the WB publicly testify. That'll put a stake in the whole sorry mess.
 

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Not really, a little, but nothing on the scale of Trump and repubs of the past.

As much as you wish there was, there just isn't.

Nixon, watergate,

Reagan, Iran Contra

Clinton? Impeached but acquitted

Trump, a **** show from start until it ends, with lots of people going to jail.


Obama? Nothin' really, except wishful thinking.


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Not being charged is not the same as innocence. Everyone knows that liberal Dems now get every benefit. Hillary Clinton colluded with foreigners on the dossier and she obstructed justice by destroying emails. This is abundantly clear to anyone not a dyed in the wool Democrat partisan. Biden also went to bat for his son on Burisma. John Solomon at The Hill keeps coming up with more damning evidence on this as well.
 

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Well OK no, to be fair there are also a good mix of racists, misogynists, Wall Street types blinded by short-sighted greed, and those who have their fears, paranoias, and misunderstandings manipulated by them, and people who are just still convinced the Earth is only 6000 years old.
But we aren't going to force anyone to pay for the healthcare of criminals, tax you out the rear in support of some climate hysteria and take away your firearms. I can live with the personal failings of people. What I can't live with are self righteous, leftwing elitists who think they have some inherent right to force their nuttery on the rest of us.
 

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Not being charged is not the same as innocence.
Your opinion.
Everyone knows that liberal Dems now get every benefit.
"Everyone knows" are known as 'weasel words' in debate tech. Weasel words signify a weak and/or completely false premise.

Besides, it was not dems who asked Nixon to resign, it was Repubs, and all the people who went to jail during Iran Contra was due to Reagan's dept of justice, and the Clintons have been investigated for over 25 years, and not by the left, she was investigated 8 times for Benghazi, by the right, and they found nothing they coud pin on her, so that blows your little theory to pieces.

Hillary Clinton colluded with foreigners on the dossier
No, she didn't, she hired Fusion GPS, a Washington DC firm. Besides, your premise is moot because it's not illegal to hire a foreign oppo research firm, it's illegal to accept gifts from foreign entities. Using hired guns to do your oppo research, is "not collusion", and it's definitely not "conspiracy".
and she obstructed justice by destroying emails.
She ordered her server manager to destroy the emails long before she received an subpoena, so by definition, that's not obstruction.

They would have busted her if that were true. Comey, a republican, testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice."
This is abundantly clear to anyone not a dyed in the wool Democrat partisan.
No, it's only "abundantly clear" to anyone who is a dyed in the wool conspiracy theorist right wing hack that there was obstruction.
Biden also went to bat for his son on Burisma.
Biden has defended his son insofar as he was not corrupt. Kids trade of there father's name a lot in politics, so what else is new?
John Solomon at The Hill keeps coming up with more damning evidence on this as well.
Solomon makes a lot of claims, but evidence? Let's see it, all I see is wild claims in Hill articles, and NO evidence to support those claims.

Look, Dems and Biden acknowledge that his son traded off of his father's names, but kids do that a lot in politics, so if you want to hang Joe for that, you're gonna hang a lot of polticians on both sides.

Give me some REAL hard, documents, to support corruption on the part of Joe Biden, please. I don't care about Hunter, he's got a shady past anyway, and that is widely known, noting that, unlike Trump and his kids, Joe promises to not put any of his kids in his administrations, or engage in nepotism.

YouTube "I like nepotism" - Donald J. Trump.

But, don't expect that from Trump, a frickin' fact that doesn't bother you, like the frickin' fact that Kushner got a billion dollar bailout from Qatar, which no way he would have gotten if Trump were not president and he were not in his administration.

the right are such hypocrites it's sickening.
 
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You guys imagined the Russian collusion hoax and had us waste $40M on it. That's what's delusional. Now, you're off to Plan B. Or is it C? Maybe D?
Uh, many folks were brought up on charges, oranges illegal obstruction is clear....and the monies captured more than made up for the costs. Keep defending the most corrupt admin ever, you are so far on the wrong side of history.
 

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Your opinion.

"Everyone knows" are known as 'weasel words' in debate tech. Weasel words signify a weak and/or completely false premise.

Besides, it was not dems who asked Nixon to resign, it was Repubs, and all the people who went to jail during Iran Contra was due to Reagan's dept of justice, and the Clintons have been investigated for over 25 years, and not by the left, she was investigated 8 times for Benghazi, by the right, and they found nothing they coud pin on her, so that blows your little theory to pieces.


No, she didn't, she hired Fusion GPS, a Washington DC firm. Besides, your premise is moot because it's not illegal to hire a foreign oppo research firm, it's illegal to accept gifts from foreign entities. Using hired guns to do your oppo research, is "not collusion", and it's definitely not "conspiracy".

She ordered her server manager to destroy the emails long before she received an subpoena, so by definition, that's not obstruction.

They would have busted her if that were true. Comey, a republican, testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice."

No, it's only "abundantly clear" to anyone who is a dyed in the wool conspiracy theorist right wing hack that there was obstruction.

Biden has defended his son insofar as he was not corrupt. Kids trade of there father's name a lot in politics, so what else is new?


Solomon makes a lot of claims, but evidence? Let's see it, all I see is wild claims in Hill articles, and NO evidence to support those claims.

Look, Dems and Biden acknowledge that his son traded off of his father's names, but kids do that a lot in politics, so if you want to hang Joe for that, you're gonna hang a lot of polticians on both sides.

Give me some REAL hard, documents, to support corruption on the part of Joe Biden, please. I don't care about Hunter, he's got a shady past anyway, and that is widely known, noting that, unlike Trump and his kids, Joe promises to not put any of his kids in his administrations, or engage in nepotism.

YouTube "I like nepotism" - Donald J. Trump.

But, don't expect that from Trump, a frickin' fact that doesn't bother you, like the frickin' fact that Kushner got a billion dollar bailout from Qatar, which no way he would have gotten if Trump were not president and he were not in his administration.

the right are such hypocrites it's sickening.
Your heartfelt belief in the integrity of Hillary Clinton and Biden is touching; laughably naive, partisan and detached from reality but touching anyway.
 

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Uh, many folks were brought up on charges, oranges illegal obstruction is clear....and the monies captured more than made up for the costs. Keep defending the most corrupt admin ever, you are so far on the wrong side of history.
Hilarious. You obviously have no idea what corruption actually is. BTW, if the Mueller report was so damning why wasn't impeachment immediately launched? Simple, because the Dems knew it was a wet firecracker. Now, they've gone off and manufactured an even bigger nothing burger which will also blow up in their smarmy faces.
 

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Your heartfelt belief in the integrity of Hillary Clinton and Biden is touching; laughably naive, partisan and detached from reality but touching anyway.
You're pretty good at strawman arguments.

I never said Hillary was a saint, I did point out the fact that but for 25 years of right wing investigations, they have been unable to pin anything on her,
and if you got proof of Biden corruption, put up or shut up.
 

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Hilarious. You obviously have no idea what corruption actually is. BTW, if the Mueller report was so damning why wasn't impeachment immediately launched? Simple, because the Dems knew it was a wet firecracker. Now, they've gone off and manufactured an even bigger nothing burger which will also blow up in their smarmy faces.

there you sit, behind your computer, and you think have got it all figured out

But, your brain is not able to grasp things that require serious intellectual prowess, such as the idea that if the target is the president, the biggest target on the planet, the stakes are incredibly high, you don't shoot and miss on that one, one never just simply impeaches on information that shows just one crime, and the Mueller report pretty much was limited to obstruction, she knows that repubs won't convict on obstruction, they view it as a "process crime", though it's serious one.

With a target that big, she is going to get her ducks in a row, and there are a lot of ducks to get in a row, far more than your brain can understand, for if you did, you wouldn't be uttering stupid things.

In fact, with your penchant for weasel words and ad hominems, your credibility is very low, your arguments are incompetent, for the most part.
 

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What is it about requiring a historically corrupt nation, one with evidence of ties to corruption involving US politice and one with a brand new president, to acknowledge that corruption and vow to investigate it for the purpose of insuring that it doesn’t continue, that creates a corrupt quid pro quo?
Your really going to peddle that conspirscy BS? Turn off Hannity, no one but Rumps base is buying.
 

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This doesn't make any sense. This has nothing to do with Trump personally.
It has absolutely everything to do with Trump, personally.
It also has to do with you Trump worshippers.

The pack of you sound like nine year-olds, running around saying "our policy is whatever Trump says it is" or "Trump and only Trump can solve corruption, everyone else is fake news"...it really IS like sitting in a Chuckie Cheese and listening to a bunch of pissed off nine year-olds arguing.

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You can't possibly believe the President single-handedly uncovered wrong-doing and then sought single-handedly to bring international justice. This isn't some banana republic where a cult of personality saves the day. We have professional agencies, departments, avenues and hotlines.

The idea that the President needs to reveal his superman tights and personally and single-handedly save the day is so childish and stupid it's hard to believe any American could buy it for one second.
Oh YES THEY CAN! They can and DO!!
Trump figured out how to connect with the American inner nine year-old, and as it turns out, fully 35% of the country are permanently nine years old.
 

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It has absolutely everything to do with Trump, personally.
It also has to do with you Trump worshippers.

The pack of you sound like nine year-olds, running around saying "our policy is whatever Trump says it is" or "Trump and only Trump can solve corruption, everyone else is fake news"...it really IS like sitting in a Chuckie Cheese and listening to a bunch of pissed off nine year-olds arguing.



Oh YES THEY CAN! They can and DO!!
Trump figured out how to connect with the American inner nine year-old, and as it turns out, fully 35% of the country are permanently nine years old.
Double the bull****, double the lunacy. You haven't made an intelligent post is days. It's like all rational functionality leaked out your ears.
 

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It has absolutely everything to do with Trump, personally.
It also has to do with you Trump worshippers.

The pack of you sound like nine year-olds, running around saying "our policy is whatever Trump says it is" or "Trump and only Trump can solve corruption, everyone else is fake news"...it really IS like sitting in a Chuckie Cheese and listening to a bunch of pissed off nine year-olds arguing.



Oh YES THEY CAN! They can and DO!!
Trump figured out how to connect with the American inner nine year-old, and as it turns out, fully 35% of the country are permanently nine years old.
If one assumes that 35 percent of the electorate--the most hardcore Trump supporters--simultaneously sustained a traumatic brain injury at the same time, then everything is explained.

That's incredibly unlucky for the rest of us.
 

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It's so third world. I wonder if he's asked about wearing a military uniform.
Certainly you remember him saying:

"My journey through the world of sex was my personal Vietnam."

And certainly you remember him saying that he wished it was easier to be awarded a Purple Heart, and that he felt that he deserved one.

And certainly you heard Donald Jr. saying that Arlington National Cemetery made him think of the suffering his father has endured.

This is the mental image that comes to my mind:

trump-tyrant.jpg
 

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If one assumes that 35 percent of the electorate--the most hardcore Trump supporters--simultaneously sustained a traumatic brain injury at the same time, then everything is explained.

That's incredibly unlucky for the rest of us.
It's like we're living near a gigantic David Koresh compound or something, or Scientology.
At this late stage, hardcore Trumpers are being turned into miniature David Miscaviges.

Of course I don't know how much you know about Miscavige and CoS policy toward the outside world.
 
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