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Israel Urges U.S. to Join War with Iran to Eliminate Nuclear Program

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^ Big steaming pile of horse shit. ^

Traitor Trump has repeatedly blamed Biden for conditions in the Middle East, including Iran, and fired, for no good reason, the CJCS, CNO, Coast Guard Commandant, Vice Chief of the Air Force, and brought out of retirement and promoted a 3-star General with no experience as a major combatant commander, or Service Chief.

Objectively, Traitor Trump has weakened the readiness of our military services since taking office again.
Nice work defending a poor, incompetent, and shamed ex-president. And you're able to objectively determine "Trump has weakened the readiness of our military services since taking office again."
All without any references or citations to back up your claim. Amazing.
 
Israel wants America to go to war for them. This must not happen.
Having started this fight thru its multi-pronged attack, Israel expects America to finish it on their behalf.
This would result in Americans being bogged down in a quagmire far worse than Iraq, given that Iran has twice the population and 3 times the area
Israel want the Americans to socialize the losses, so that they Israel can privatize the gains. Americans would have to suffer all the dead and maimed.

Unfortunately for the title of this thread, it's looking as if the Government of Israel is seeking to or intends to expand the scope of its (and perhaps America's) war against Iran.


Israeli envoy to US says Iran's ability to produce ballistic weapons must also be eliminated

Israel’s ambassador to the US said Wednesday that Israel must eliminate not only Iran’s ability to make nuclear weapons, but also its ability to produce ballistic missiles.

“They come cruising out of the sky and create incredible damage,” Yechiel Leiter told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins, referring to Iran’s missiles. “That production capacity has to be eliminated as well.”

“They cannot have the weapons that can destroy Israel, which they claim and which they want to do every day,” he added.

Asked about Israel’s ability to destroy Iran’s Fordow nuclear enrichment site, buried deep under a mountain near the city of Qom, Leiter said “it might require multiple strikes, it might require something else or it might require one of our surprises,” without going into details.

“We have a few tricks up our sleeves,” he said, when asked about Israel’s response if the US were not to get involved in the conflict.

“If we have to pursue this and prosecute this by ourselves, we’re going to know what to do. We’re not going to allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon,” he told Collins.
 
Unfortunately for the title of this thread, it's looking as if the Government of Israel is seeking to or intends to expand the scope of its (and perhaps America's) war against Iran.
False, not 'expand', it was one of the two goals from beginning.

The Israeli government defined its goals in the war against Iran to be the elimination of Iran's nuclear program and removing the threat from the Iranian ballistic missiles project that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said could reach an arsenal of tens of thousands, within a few years.
 
False, not 'expand', it was one of the two goals from beginning.


Didn't make it into this country's news reports, did it?

But that's not really the point. The Israeli Government, as it tries to rope the United States into joining it's attacks Iran - on the pretext of taking out a "nuclear threat" - is now expanding its scope, at least so far as the American audience is concerned.

So, what's rabid-right-wing Netanyahu Government's talking point re attacking another nation's ballistic missiles?
 
Didn't make it into this country's news reports, did it?

But that's not really the point. The Israeli Government, as it tries to rope the United States into joining it's attacks Iran - on the pretext of taking out a "nuclear threat" - is now expanding its scope, at least so far as the American audience is concerned.

So, what's rabid-right-wing Netanyahu Government's talking point re attacking another nation's ballistic missiles?
Israel requires the US aid in dealing with Fordo. Not with other objectives. Regardless there is every justification in stopping Iran's terrorist regime.
 
Wait, why are you talking about the MAGA Uniparty involving Biden or Harris? You realize that MAGA Uniparty and Democrats are two different groups right?
Not when it comes to war.
 
Israel requires the US aid in dealing with Fordo. Not with other objectives. Regardless there is every justification in stopping Iran's terrorist regime.
Post #82


Get this straight: Israel does not have the right or the power to "require" US aid in its war against Iran.

Now, back to the fact that Israel has expanded the scope of its war against Iran: so much for the nuclear threat.
 
Get this straight: Israel cannot "require" US aid in its war against Iran.
Get this straight: your opinion is dismissible.
Now, back to the fact that Israel has expanded the scope of its war
Interesting that you choose to repeat a debunked lie right after it was debunked. Shows how connected you feel with reality.
 
Get this straight: your opinion is dismissible.

Interesting that you choose to repeat a debunked lie right after it was debunked. Shows how connected you feel with reality.
Post #85


You've not refuted the CNN story (Post #79).

If you're interested in trying to prove that the Israeli Ambassador to the USA did NOT say that Israel has to add "taking out Iran's ballistic missiles" to the to-do list, copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

Unless and until you manage to do this, the CNN article stands.
 
If you're interested in trying to prove that the Israeli Ambassador to the USA did NOT say that Israel has to add "taking out Iran's ballistic missiles" to the to-do list, copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

Unless and until you manage to do this, the CNN article stands.
You're moving the goalpost in a desperate manner.
Your claim that this was an expansion of Israel's war goals was a lie and was debunked, carry on.
 
You're moving the goalpost in a desperate manner.
Your claim that this was an expansion of Israel's war goals was a lie and was debunked, carry on.
Not moving any goalpost.

Israel has very recently added eliminating Iran's ballistic missile capabilities to the original "We must get rid of Iran's nukes!" reason for attacking Iran.

This could be the reason for the Israeli Government's moving ITS goalpost:


Israel is running low on defensive “Arrow” missile interceptors, The Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday, citing an unnamed US official.

The shortage has raised concerns about the country’s ability to continue to counter long-range ballistic missiles from Iran, the report said.

Since Israel launched its shock operation on Friday to remove the “existential threat” of the Iranian nuclear program and ballistic missile capabilities, the Islamic Republic has retaliated by launching more than 370 missiles and hundreds of drones at Israel.

So far, 24 people have been killed in Israel and more than 500 wounded.

According to the Journal report, the US has known about the shortage of Arrow interceptors for months, and has been working to bolster Israel’s air defenses accordingly.

But those stocks are limited, too. Having dispatched many to Israel, “there is now concern about the US burning through interceptors as well,” the newspaper said.

A report in The Washington Post Tuesday cited a person briefed on US and Israeli intelligence, who said that, according to “some assessments,” Israel can maintain its air defense for 10-12 days at the current rate of Iranian attacks — which have lessened since the start of the fighting last week — before it will require the US to replenish its stocks or get more involved in the war.

The source also said that already by later this week, Israel “will need to select what they want to intercept,” adding: “The system is already overwhelmed.”...
 
Not moving any goalpost.

Israel has very recently added eliminating Iran's ballistic missile capabilities to the original "We must get rid of Iran's nukes!" reason for attacking Iran.
Lie & debunked on post #80 showing it was one of the two goals of the war from the start.

Since Israel launched its shock operation on Friday to remove the “existential threat” of the Iranian nuclear program and ballistic missile capabilities

Oh and even your source mentions it was a goal of the war from the start. Nice.
 
Lie & debunked on post #80 showing it was one of the two goals of the war from the start.



Oh and even your source mentions it was a goal of the war from the start. Nice.
Post #89


Nope. Today is the first mention I've seen in American sources anything about Israel's need to take out Iran's ballistic missile system.

Netanyahu et al have moved their goalpost to include not just Iran's ability to produce nuclear weapons, but also Iran's ballistic missile system.

Too bad the Government of Israel didn't wait to start this latest war - which it did last Friday - until it knew it had a sufficient quantity of munitions in its Arrow system to counter ballistic missiles from Iran.

Or was the Netanyahu Government simply way too overconfident?
 
Post #89


Nope. Today is the first mention I've seen
Nobody cares if it's the first time you have seen it.
You said something false and had your attention pointed to it and chosen to stick with something you realized is false.
Hence you're clearly a propagandist and the rest of your comments on these boards are from now on dismissed for lack of credibility.
 
Nobody cares if it's the first time you have seen it.
You said something false and had your attention pointed to it and chosen to stick with something you realized is false.
Hence you're clearly a propagandist and the rest of your comments on these boards are from now on dismissed for lack of credibility.
You seem to care.

Back to Israel's moving the goalpost - so far as American audiences are concerned - because it preemptively launched a war against Iran BEFORE it ensured it had enough Arrow interceptors on hand:

Pretty poor planning, right?
 
You seem to care.

Back to Israel's moving the goalpost - so far as American audiences are concerned
Your claim that American sources did not report on one of Israel's goals being stopping the threat of Iran's ballistic missiles (what does it even mean? Are American sources the only sources in the world?) is also a lie.

Netanyahu appeared to confirm that aim in a speech addressed to Iranians later Friday. “The objective of Israel’s operation is to thwart the Islamic regime’s nuclear and ballistic missile threat to us,” he said. “As we achieve our objective, we are also clearing the path for you to achieve your freedom.”
 
Your claim that American sources did not report on one of Israel's goals being stopping the threat of Iran's ballistic missiles (what does it even mean? Are American sources the only sources in the world?) is also a lie.


No, I claimed I didn't see in US sources reports of Israel's late-to-the-table addition of eliminating Iran's ballistic missiles. (btw, you acknowledged what I had said in your Post #91.)

I don't do your work: that means YOU copy and paste excerpts from several US news sources. Get going. Oh, btw: do you have access to wapo? Bummer if you don't.....
 
No, I claimed I didn't see in US sources reports of Israel's late-to-the-table addition of eliminating Iran's ballistic missiles. (btw, you acknowledged what I had said in your Post #91.)

I don't do your work: that means YOU copy and paste excerpts from several US news sources. Get going. Oh, btw: do you have access to wapo? Bummer if you don't.....
That the Israeli Government seems to have realized, belatedly, that there's a possibility (albeit perhaps not a strong one) that defending against Iran's ballistic missiles might get dicey (due to a lack of Arrow interceptors) is on Netanyahu and his Cabinet, who made the decision to initiate this war last Friday.

Now, we here in the USA are left with the fact that trump might use American munitions (30,000-lb anti-bunker bombs) flown in American B-2 stealth bombers by American pilots (the only ones trained to fly the B-2 stealth bombers) against the people of Iran, not just in the hope of eliminating - for a time - Iran's capability to produce nuclear weapons but also, per the Israeli Government, to destroy Iran's ability to launch ballistic missiles at Israel.

Hmmm.....doesn't sound quite so compelling now, does it....
 
No, I claimed I didn't see in US sources reports of Israel's late-to-the-table addition of eliminating Iran's ballistic missiles. (btw, you acknowledged what I had said in your Post #91.)

I don't do your work: that means YOU copy and paste excerpts from several US news sources. Get going. Oh, btw: do you have access to wapo? Bummer if you don't.....
It's called lying, and you're embarrassing.
 
It's called lying, and you're embarrassing.
I'm not lying.

Back to the Netanyahu Government's admission that it needs to take out Iran's ballistic missile system in addition to that country's nuclear weapons capability: somehow, the urgency of the mission has been a bit diluted, given this news that the Israeli Government appears to have overestimated its ability to defend the people of Israel against Iran's retaliation strikes.
 
False, not 'expand', it was one of the two goals from beginning.

Israel doesn't get to have a say on whether or not the United States goes to war.
There is no mention of Israel as a decision-making body in the United States Constitution.

Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution says that the US Congress are the ones who decide whether America goes to war or not.
 
If we go to war with Iran we will also be going to war with China and Russia.

It could also result in a huge quagmire mess that creates massive instability and tumult across the region.
Not to mention raising oil prices for a prolonged period of time, creating all the attendant hardship.
 
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