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Isn't Trump a RINO?

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All throughout the past four years conservatives were angry because in their opinion another RINO lost the election. I just don't understand this anti-establishment attitude and the conspiracy theories surrounding them. The old image of smoke-filled rooms and old rich white guys making deals about who will and how things get done are often colorfully described by these same conservatives who want Trump in office. You know the guy who essentially says, he will sit in smoke-filled rooms with other rich white guys making deals about who will and how things get done???

Despite the fact that Trump is the very part of the establishment that is supposed to make blue-collar worker's angry at the seems, it doesn't seem to hurt him thanks to his boisterous and vague positions marketed to his supporters like bible verses. Indeed, they pipe them out like hymns and psalms and whenever I question a Trump supporter asking for deep insight on how he will actually change things or get things done, they sing his praises anyway. Remind you of anyone else's supporters?

The very meaning of the loosely defined pejorative that is RINO or Republican In Name Only. Fits Donald Trump to a tee. in the nearly 70 years that he has been walking on this Earth Trump has been a Republican for a relatively short period of time. His latest return to the Republican Party coincidentally happened in 2012. So Trump has only been a Republican for the past four years...

If these naive voters are really seeking the change and conservative-minded and principled Republican that they were supposedly fighting for all these years. NOTE: They didn't like McCain or Romney and some don't even like Bush... There are two other people in the race who falls into that category. One especially cannot pin the RINO label on Ted Cruz, for instance. Even the Governor John Kasich has been a pretty level headed conservative governor most recently defunding planned parenthood in Ohio.

Donald Trump does not have that proven track record that conservatives have been complaining about and wanting ever since the Tea Party appeared on the national stage! Donald Trump's flip flops are clear as day and happen almost everyday in a weird twisting of the Republican platform into hyper-partisan rants and conspiracy theories. Letting Hillary laugh all the way to the bank in order to trump up support for her own beliefs about that vast right wing conspiracy out to get her. That more often than not some in the media liken Donald Trump to the same categories in the political garbage chute as Hitler and ISIS. All this, even without mentioning his party changes.

To me, it's just odd that these voters are yet again listening to a man who is promising big hope and change after supposedly complaining about the other guy who offered the same thing just eight years ago. When Trump just happened to be a Democrat and paved the way for Obama to be elected. If you compare Trump's and Obama's beliefs they may be far apart but the way their supporters act are one and the same. The result that Trump and Obama supporters expect or expected are one and the same. We shouldn't be listening for more vague and empty promises from a clear as day empty suit.
 
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You're opinion is stuck in a time warp where smoke-filled rooms still exist. We get it, we got the same opinion over and over and over again the first thousand times (hint, we stopped listening after the first hundred). Every president from Ike to now could have been considered a RINO or a DINO.
 

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You're opinion is stuck in a time warp where smoke-filled rooms still exist. We get it, we got the same opinion over and over and over again the first thousand times (hint, we stopped listening after the first hundred). Every president from Ike to now could have been considered a RINO or a DINO.

And yours isn't?
 

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Trump is his own creation and is one of a kind. He is not a RINO nor is he a traditional Republican. He is Trump.
 

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You could call Trump a RINO, but we may want to be cautious about the distinction of someone being a RINO and a moderate vs. a RINO and anti-establishment.
 

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The RINO/DINO labels are thinly veiled demands for an unrealistic level of ideological purity.
 

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You're opinion is stuck in a time warp where smoke-filled rooms still exist. We get it, we got the same opinion over and over and over again the first thousand times (hint, we stopped listening after the first hundred). Every president from Ike to now could have been considered a RINO or a DINO.

Translation" I don't give a **** I am supporting a RINO. I lied about being pro-2nd amendment, pro-life, anti-socialized medicine. Ialso pretty much support every other left wing position I claimed to oppose and that is why I am supporting Donald Trump".
 
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Translation" I don't give a **** I am supporting a RINO. I lied about being pro-2nd amendment, pro-life, anti-socialized medicine. Ialso pretty much support every other left wing position I claimed to oppose and that is why I am supporting Donald Trump".

Yeah that's pretty much what I was getting at, but I've made numerous posts about Trump's flip flops and they still don't get it, so I tried to spell it out for them. I see only clownboy is a brave enough Trump supporter to actually comment on this thread ....
 

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Yeah that's pretty much what I was getting at, but I've made numerous posts about Trump's flip flops and they still don't get it, so I tried to spell it out for them. I see only clownboy is a brave enough Trump supporter to actually comment on this thread ....

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink that water.

If hypothetically Rush Limbaugh donated lots of money to various conservative republicans and conservative blue dog democrats,praised those politicians and suddenly within the past four or five years started spewing pro-socialist and pro-liberal crap while still flip flopping back and fourth on those issues. Would any liberal democrat be stupid enough to vote for him? I don't think so. Common sense would tell them not to vote for a guy that has stood for many issues they are against,financially supported and praise people they are against.
 

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Yeah that's pretty much what I was getting at, but I've made numerous posts about Trump's flip flops and they still don't get it, so I tried to spell it out for them. I see only clownboy is a brave enough Trump supporter to actually comment on this thread ....

If it makes you feel any better I don't care about RINO/DINO. I only care about the issues and Trump is bringing up the issues I care about.

Reforming healthcare? nope...
Guns? meh...
Abortion? A non-issue...
Gay getting married? Good for them...
Tax cuts for the 1%? Not a high priority.

I care about our foreign policy, illegal immigration, and creating jobs in this country, and Trump is knocking those right out of the park. The establishment has spent so many years focusing on **** I don't care, and after the Romney debacle I considered dropping my Republican party registration. Although I'm not a conservative, in fact I kinda look down on them given their penchant for focusing on irrelevant garbage.
 

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The term "RINO" needs to die a slow, awful death. Sadly terms do not feel pain.


With the amount of times that people on the far right call various Republicans "RINOs", there would only be 5 actual "real conservatives" in the nation, provided users of the term were correct of course.
 

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Yeah that's pretty much what I was getting at, but I've made numerous posts about Trump's flip flops and they still don't get it, so I tried to spell it out for them. I see only clownboy is a brave enough Trump supporter to actually comment on this thread ....

But the point of this election is wanting an outsider, somebody who sees the issues and problems as they are and is politically incorrect enough to actually deal with them. The folks who want that aren't voting for Republicans or RINOS, however you define RINO, but they are voting for the person with the instincts and vision to make a difference where we really need a difference to be made. What that candidate's position is on issues like abortion, whomever's rights, yadda yadda are immaterial to those wanting government to be reformed so flip flops aren't important.
 

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But the point of this election is wanting an outsider, somebody who sees the issues and problems as they are and is politically incorrect enough to actually deal with them. The folks who want that aren't voting for Republicans or RINOS, however you define RINO, but they are voting for the person with the instincts and vision to make a difference where we really need a difference to be made. What that candidate's position is on issues like abortion, whomever's rights, yadda yadda are immaterial to those wanting government to be reformed so flip flops aren't important.
But, being an outsider would mean they would get nearly no support for any of their agenda and without the support of either Party the odds of them getting anything actually done are slim to none. Being a bit of an outside has it's merits but when one is too far outside the box can also be a liability as Trump and Bernie are finding out the hard way.
 

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But, being an outsider would mean they would get nearly no support for any of their agenda and without the support of either Party the odds of them getting anything actually done are slim to none. Being a bit of an outside has it's merits but when one is too far outside the box can also be a liability as Trump and Bernie are finding out the hard way.

He could if he was a really smart, skillful, negotiator and deal maker. The Congress needs him as much as he would need the Congress.

But of course the establishment WANTS to maintain the status quo that is to THEIR benefit, so Trump, Cruz, and Sanders are unacceptable as all threaten to initiate some actual reforms.
 

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Translation" I don't give a **** I am supporting a RINO. I lied about being pro-2nd amendment, pro-life, anti-socialized medicine. Ialso pretty much support every other left wing position I claimed to oppose and that is why I am supporting Donald Trump".

Translation, I'm butthurt because the candidate I've ridiculed is winning anyway and no one is listening to my ranting about how terrible he is.

Btw, I haven't lied about any of that. And what I have opposed I still oppose.
 

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He could if he was a really smart, skillful, negotiator and deal maker. The Congress needs him as much as he would need the Congress.

But of course the establishment WANTS to maintain the status quo that is to THEIR benefit, so Trump, Cruz, and Sanders are unacceptable as all threaten to initiate some actual reforms.
True in part. Problem is, for Trump anyway, is he is used to making business deals and as we know not all of those worked out so great either, his experience at working With others, some of who will dare to disagree with him, is zero, and as such he will not be able to do much. Just the reality of the situation. The odds are Trump will not get the nomination and heck if he did he would not stand a snowballs chance in Hades of winning the Whitehouse so the entire idea is just for fun.
 

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He could if he was a really smart, skillful, negotiator and deal maker. The Congress needs him as much as he would need the Congress.

But of course the establishment WANTS to maintain the status quo that is to THEIR benefit, so Trump, Cruz, and Sanders are unacceptable as all threaten to initiate some actual reforms.

True in part. Problem is, for Trump anyway, is he is used to making business deals and as we know not all of those worked out so great either, his experience at working With others, some of who will dare to disagree with him, is zero, and as such he will not be able to do much. Just the reality of the situation. The odds are Trump will not get the nomination and heck if he did he would not stand a snowballs chance in Hades of winning the Whitehouse so the entire idea is just for fun.


I see if in the future Trump gets into the white house, he does a complete 180 and becomes a hugely liberal policy deal maker on par with Jimmy Carter. He'll use the old slogan, "but I had to do it, next time we'll win." This is what he does in his lawsuits. He never admits defeat though, so there's that I guess.

Trump has no experience writing conservative policy or actually arguing for sound conservative ideals. If he did, he would have much more information on his website than he does and he would have squashed Ted Cruz long ago. Instead Cruz is his main competition. Kinda telling there.

He has a huge libertarian foreign policy slant and his foreign policy team basically regurgitates their beliefs for him to spiel out. The libertarian position on foreign policy is a heightened form of old age liberalism that has never worked in the history of this country. Except for very brief periods of time. As they say, building walls is not a solution to the many immigration problems this country faces.
 

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The term "RINO" needs to die a slow, awful death. Sadly terms do not feel pain.


With the amount of times that people on the far right call various Republicans "RINOs", there would only be 5 actual "real conservatives" in the nation, provided users of the term were correct of course.

Agreed. It's really annoying. I think now though, RINO has been replaced by "the establishment," which to some means everybody but Trump and sometimes Cruz is thrown in there once or twice. I've even seen the Trumpsters call Ted Cruz a RINO. Unbelievable.
 

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The term "RINO" needs to die a slow, awful death. Sadly terms do not feel pain.


With the amount of times that people on the far right call various Republicans "RINOs", there would only be 5 actual "real conservatives" in the nation, provided users of the term were correct of course.

The term "Gypsy Moth Republican" worked just fine. Why come up with some new fangled term? Watch Willkie Wilt and Dump Donald Drumpf

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Translation, I'm butthurt because the candidate I've ridiculed is winning anyway and no one is listening to my ranting about how terrible he is.

Btw, I haven't lied about any of that. And what I have opposed I still oppose.

Then it makes no sense to support someone who supports those issues and politician you allege to oppose. I know you are using the "but that was yesterday he said that" excuse or some variation of that excuse.
 

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A RINO?

A Rotund Insensitive Nonsensical Oaf?

Ummm...sure, I could see that.
 

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True in part. Problem is, for Trump anyway, is he is used to making business deals and as we know not all of those worked out so great either, his experience at working With others, some of who will dare to disagree with him, is zero, and as such he will not be able to do much. Just the reality of the situation. The odds are Trump will not get the nomination and heck if he did he would not stand a snowballs chance in Hades of winning the Whitehouse so the entire idea is just for fun.

I disagree. Not only do I have more confidence in people who have had ups and downs and have learned from their mistakes in addition to some successes, but I think had the RNC gotten behind Trump or whoever the leader was and inspired confidence instead of making it so toxic an environment, Trump has as good a chance, if not better, of anybody in the entire field. He certainly is more likable and compelling than Cruz, and he would figure out how to best campaign against Hillary.
 

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I see if in the future Trump gets into the white house, he does a complete 180 and becomes a hugely liberal policy deal maker on par with Jimmy Carter. He'll use the old slogan, "but I had to do it, next time we'll win." This is what he does in his lawsuits. He never admits defeat though, so there's that I guess.

Trump has no experience writing conservative policy or actually arguing for sound conservative ideals. If he did, he would have much more information on his website than he does and he would have squashed Ted Cruz long ago. Instead Cruz is his main competition. Kinda telling there.

He has a huge libertarian foreign policy slant and his foreign policy team basically regurgitates their beliefs for him to spiel out. The libertarian position on foreign policy is a heightened form of old age liberalism that has never worked in the history of this country. Except for very brief periods of time. As they say, building walls is not a solution to the many immigration problems this country faces.

IMO the only reason Cruz is any kind of competitor against Trump is because the RNC is making that happen. And if they are successful in using Cruz to stop Trump from winning the requisite number of delegates on the first ballot, I fully expect them to then throw Cruz under the bus and install somebody THEY know will play ball and not make waves for them. Trump has made mistakes yes, but he has learned from them. But he is smart and stubborn enough not to accept defeat easily and arrogant enough to want success.

He is not my first choice, but I have to give him props for what he has accomplished. And I would vote for him in a heartbeat before I would vote for Hillary or Bernie.
 
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