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Isnt this the same as Watergate??

haymarket said:
Nobody in their right mind would give top secret information to toadies and sycophants of a madman in the Oval Office to help alert him to just how deep the manure is closing him in.
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Fallacy: No True Scottsman
 
Desert Storm said:
Isnt planting an FBI spy inside the Trump campaign the same as the electronic spying that went on in Watergate??
I fail to see much difference. And I'm not buying the "we put him there to protect Trump" excuse:

https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge-professor-outed-as-fbi-informant-inside-trump-campaign/
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The primary difference between Watergate and what we may well be seeing with the current situation is that this situation seems to involve the leadership of multiple departments within the US government and, possibly, foreign governments too. If it turns out that people in the Obama DoJ, State Department, FBI, NSA, ODNI, etc. were all involved in steering Trump campaign staffers toward Russians for the sole purpose of using those engagements to support a FISA warrant then it's a much bigger deal than Watergate.
 
And the board lefties continue to carry the water, as the damn is breaking. I hope they stick around to defend their positions in the weeks to come.
 
Trinnity said:
WaPo is part of the effort to take him down and is not reputable. Spin and speculation, as well as "anonymous sources" is the tactics of a hit. I said reputable.

CNN
WaPo
NY Daily News
NY Times

Individuals in those organizations coordinated to defraud the president. Don't offer crap as proof.
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Do you believe that White House?

The White House has said Donald Trump "weighed in" on the misleading statement issued by his son, Donald Trump Jr, on his controversial meeting with a Russian lawyer.

"The President weighed in as any father would, based on the limited information he had," White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, adding that Mr Trump "certainly didn't dictate" his son's statement, but did offer suggestions.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-donald-trump-jr-russian-lawyer-a7871831.html
 
veritas1 said:
Except that you are overlooking a vital point. It was not the FBI utilizing Steele but the Democratic party in an effort to find something on Trump. The FISA court simply accepted what it was told by the FBI who used the Democrat paid for dossier as if it was impartial and substantiated research which it was not.
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Steele was a source trusted by the FBI. He was the HEAD of the Russian desk for MI6. Your desperate claim that the FBI should have ignored his warnings because he took a job for Hillary is ludicrous. It would be a dereliction of duty if they ignored a trusted source. But you have the Dossier and you have the Australian government independently warning about the same thing. The FBI should have ignored that? Get out of here!

Moreover, much of the Steele dossier is being proven true.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Fallacy: No True Scottsman
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Actually, my statement is a true one. Nobody in their right mind would give top secret information to toadies and sycophants of a madman in the Oval Office to help alert him to just how deep the manure is closing him in.

That is true for Scotsman... for an Irishman... fora Swede.... for a Pole .... for an Egyptian ... for anyone.

And person who would do that obviously shares the same mental disease as Trump does.
 
Even the NY Post is coming on board: https://nypost.com/2018/05/27/obamas-spying-scandal-is-starting-to-look-a-lot-like-watergate/

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haymarket said:
If the US government has information that a serious candidate for the office of President is possibly engaged in a criminal conspiracy with our main foreign adversary, is it not incumbent upon them to take steps to discover if this is a real threat to our nation? To do anything less would be dereliction of duty to protect the nation and its people from foreign enemies and those who would enable them in our own population.
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And what was that information?
 
Athanasius68 said:
And what was that information?
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There's been multiple meetings of those people with Russians, even though they at first denied it and denied it (that is, lied about it). Don't try to deny it yourself since there's been guilty pleas over it. What part of "I plead guilty" you don't understand? So of course the FBI had grounds to investigate.

Watergate was a political group trying to spy on another political group for political gain. This, was our top law enforcement agency trying to verify if people were unduly allowing influence of a hostile foreign power over American elections. Apples and oranges. The FBI was performing its constitutional duty of protecting the national security.

Of course all conservatives would be saying the above, if the situation reversed and the FBI were investigating the Democratic campaign. Let's not fool ourselves.

Besides there is no evidence whatsoever that others in this sense came from Obama. That part is an add-on from the people who can't let go that Obama beat them fair and square, twice, with no need for help from any foreign power, and would have beaten them a third time if he were constitutionally allowed to run.
 
Desert Storm said:
Isnt planting an FBI spy inside the Trump campaign the same as the electronic spying that went on in Watergate??
I fail to see much difference. And I'm not buying the "we put him there to protect Trump" excuse:

https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge-professor-outed-as-fbi-informant-inside-trump-campaign/
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No... what's "like Watergate" is Russians breaking into the DNC electronically...

And then there is the Clinton scandal with Monica Lewinsky.. but OK when your man-baby has multiple affairs and a porn star FLOTUS... (You "evangelical," phony Christians...)

And what about Nicaragua under Reagan, does that smack at the Trump and Ukraine?

Your man-baby is every scandal from the last 50 years rolled into one.

Thx :)
 
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Desert Storm said:
You just evaded my point. Should Hillary then also not be in jail for conspiring with a British MI6 agent when she obtained the Steele dossier??
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They were no longer an agent, stop repeating the lie, it will never become truth, no matter how many times you repeat it.
 
Thx said:
No... what's "like Watergate" is Russians breaking into the DNC electronically...

And then there is the Clinton scandal with Monica Lewinsky.. but OK when your man-baby has multiple affairs and a porn star FLOTUS... (You "evangelical," phony Christians...)

And what about Nicaragua under Reagan, does that smack at the Trump and Ukraine?

Your man-baby is every scandal from the last 50 years rolled into one.

Thx :)
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And you know it!^

Thx :)
 
Desert Storm said:
Isnt planting an FBI spy inside the Trump campaign the same as the electronic spying that went on in Watergate??
I fail to see much difference. And I'm not buying the "we put him there to protect Trump" excuse:

https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge-professor-outed-as-fbi-informant-inside-trump-campaign/
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The only difference I see is that Watergate involved breaking in to an office, and this one did not. As far as the Unitary Executive activity, no difference.
 
GreatNews2night said:
There's been multiple meetings of those people with Russians, even though they at first denied it and denied it (that is, lied about it). Don't try to deny it yourself since there's been guilty pleas over it. What part of "I plead guilty" you don't understand? So of course the FBI had grounds to investigate.

Watergate was a political group trying to spy on another political group for political gain. This, was our top law enforcement agency trying to verify if people were unduly allowing influence of a hostile foreign power over American elections. Apples and oranges. The FBI was performing its constitutional duty of protecting the national security.

Of course all conservatives would be saying the above, if the situation reversed and the FBI were investigating the Democratic campaign. Let's not fool ourselves.

Besides there is no evidence whatsoever that others in this sense came from Obama. That part is an add-on from the people who can't let go that Obama beat them fair and square, twice, with no need for help from any foreign power, and would have beaten them a third time if he were constitutionally allowed to run.
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The spy was sent in before the tower meeting, before Flynn met the Russian ambassador, before the dossier was asdembled, before PapaD met the professor, before all the usual boogeymen that have been pointed to as evidence of collusion over the past couple of years.

What were the grounds to for the FBI to send in a spy?
 
haymarket said:
That a foreign power was working to influence our election possibly with the direct collision of Americans.
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I think we can be a little bit more detailed than that.
 
Athanasius68 said:
I think we can be a little bit more detailed than that.
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Absolutely. A very request. I recommend that you read the Intelligence agencies report on this matter and their testimony before Congress and it provides that level of detail.
 
haymarket said:
Absolutely. A very request. I recommend that you read the Intelligence agencies report on this matter and their testimony before Congress and it provides that level of detail.
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The spy insertion pre-dated all those claims.
 
Desert Storm said:
Isnt planting an FBI spy inside the Trump campaign the same as the electronic spying that went on in Watergate??
I fail to see much difference. And I'm not buying the "we put him there to protect Trump" excuse:

https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge-professor-outed-as-fbi-informant-inside-trump-campaign/
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OMG, what is it you fools can't see the difference between a "spy" and an "informant", and no sucjh "IMPLANTING" exists, that's purely conspiracy theory lunacy in your head. THe fact is, the trump team was so stupid, it was they who tried to implant him by offfering him a job, which he refused.
 
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