Isis militant said to be Syrian who passed through Greece on refugee route

[Roadvirus]

Do we stop helping people because some people are bad?

Because that's exactly what the attackers want you to do.

Boo f-ing Hoo

These people believe in a religion and other values that are incompatible with Western culture and Western laws.

 

[starcitizen]

But there was no victory in Iraq. Victory isn't even attainable because of the conflict between Sunni and Shia. Containment of Islamic extremists is the only solution and Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were far better at that then the US/Western powers.

There was a victory in Iraq under the surge if Obama had established a status of forces agreement instead of completely pulling out we wouldn't be having this problem, only an idiot tells the enemy when we plan on leaving. I agree on Mubarak but Assad and Ghadafi did not keep Islamic extremists in line they actively sponsored them and the assertion that they wouldn't have experienced this blowback without US intervention in Iraq simply isn't tenable, the same goes for Saddam, the US isn't responsible for the Arab Spring turned Islamic Winter they are because they would not allow the third option between totalitarian dictatorship and violent Islamic revolution ie that of a peaceful transituon to a liberal pluralist society, dictatorship breeds radicalism we saw the same thing in Iran in 1979, even with continued US support of the Shah who point of fact was a damn sight more liberal than Ghadafi, Assad and Hussein ever were.

 

[Deuce]

Boo f-ing Hoo

These people believe in a religion and other values that are incompatible with Western culture and Western laws.

Western culture that you are dead set on abandoning when confronted with violent culture. You are surrendering the war on terror.

 

[Montecresto]

There was a victory in Iraq under the surge if Obama had established a status of forces agreement instead of completely pulling out we wouldn't be having this problem, only an idiot tells the enemy when we plan on leaving. I agree on Mubarak but Assad and Ghadafi did not keep Islamic extremists in line they actively sponsored them and the assertion that they wouldn't have experienced this blowback without US intervention in Iraq simply isn't tenable, the same goes for Saddam, the US isn't responsible for the Arab Spring turned Islamic Winter they are.

There was no victory in Iraq, and the very invasion and occupation thereof caused an increase in global terrorism and made America, less safe.

 

[starcitizen]

Do we stop helping people because some people are bad?

Because that's exactly what the attackers want you to do.

No let their own societies take them in and provide them with aid what you don't do is important millions of people from an alien culture into the west especially when they have proven time and time again that we stand for everything they hate IE women's rights, gay rights, liberal democracy, and secularism whereas they come from a culture that is misogynistic, homophobic and theocratic/authoritarian.

 

[starcitizen]

There was no victory in Iraq, and the very invasion and occupation thereof caused an increase in global terrorism and made America, less safe.

Anyone who was paying attention during and immediately after the surge knows that's a lie.

 

[ecofarm]

There was no victory in Iraq,

The fall of genocidal dictatorship, institutionalized rape, mass killings, intentional starvation and a fake WMD program was a blow to us all. Long live genocide!

 

[EnigmaO01]

Paris attacks: Isis militant said to be Syrian who passed through Greece on refugee route – live

The Syrian passport belonged to a refugee who passed through Greece, according to a Greek minister.

Http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...acks-attackers-dead-mass-killing-live-updates

Well now we know at least one of the attackers was a Syrian refugee, Europes leaders were warned time and time again about the dangers of importing millions of people from an alien culture into the west and now unfortunately we have been proven right.

That's an awfully quick assumption. I won't believe anything this early.

 

[Deuce]

No let their own societies take them in and provide them with aid what you don't do is important millions of people from an alien culture into the west especially when they have proven time and time again that we stand for everything they hate IE women's rights, gay rights, liberal democracy, and secularism whereas they come from a culture that is misogynistic, homophobic and theocratic/authoritarian.

How can a culture change if the people aren't exposed to a better way?

 

[GPS_Flex]

The US provided appx .5% of Saddams weapons the bulk came from the Soviets, Syria and Iraq were Soviet clients not the US's which is why they flew MIGs not f16s, shot AKs not MI16s and drove T-72s and not M1s. Most of the arms supplied by the US came in the form of dual use items weaponized after delivery and those only came when Baghdad was on the verge of falling to Iranian forces who actually had US arms and had once been a US ally.



That NIE also stated that a victory in Iraq would result in the demoralization of the foreign jihadist and make it less likely that they would fight elsewhere but unfortunately Obama snatched defeat from victory through his premature withdrawal something I'm sure you supported.

But there was no victory in Iraq. Victory isn't even attainable because of the conflict between Sunni and Shia. Containment of Islamic extremists is the only solution and Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were far better at that then the US/Western powers.

What an epic dodge. ISIS wouldn't be the problem it is today if Obama hadn't pulled our troops out prematurely. I remember warning you and others on this forum that this vacuum/crisis was likely to occur if he pulled our troops out but you and the left supported him anyway. Russia wouldn't have moved into Syria if we still had troops in Iraq either, so now were really in a bad spot thanks to your brilliant demand for no US troops in the Middle East.

This liberalism/leftism that we've witnessed over the last decade or so is making the world a more dangerous place. This is what happens when the US refuses to lead.

 

[starcitizen]

No, we know that someone had that passport. We don't know that he was the bomber, or even that the bomber had it and not a victim. Yet.

Lol next you'll be claiming that there were no bombers and this was all a false flag. Off to the conspiracy theory forum with you, it has been confirmed that he was the bomber and it has been confirmed that he traveled through the refugee route through Greece using that passport.

 

[ecofarm]

How can a culture change if the people aren't exposed to a better way?

How can terrorists be used to define the culture of a nation? These same ignorant people would object if US culture was defined as inner city ghetto rap; yet, they've no problem doing that to others.

 

[starcitizen]

How can a culture change if the people aren't exposed to a better way?

They're never going to change they've been slaughtering the infidel and eachother for a thousand years and they'll be doing it for a thousand more, fine let them slaughter eachother just keep them the hell out of the west so they can't slaughter our people. As I've already proven to you in the telegraph article 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim immigrants are exponentially more radical than their parents and grandparents so your theory doesn't hold water.

 

[starcitizen]

How can terrorists be used to define the culture of a nation? These same ignorant people would object if US culture was defined as inner city ghetto rap; yet, they've no problem doing that to others.

The polling data shows that the majority of Muslims are anti-Semitic, theocratic, misogynistic, and homophobic and that a sizable portion of them support and admire violent terrorist groups. Guerrilla warfare 101 you can't succeed without support from the citizenry so how is ISIS winning?

 

[Manc Skipper]

Lol next you'll be claiming that there were no bombers and this was all a false flag. Off to the conspiracy theory forum with you, it has been confirmed that he was the bomber and it has been confirmed that he traveled through the refugee route through Greece using that passport.

I'm demonstrating your cavalier attitude to fact. Extremists must be curtailed wherever they're found.

 

[Montecresto]

Anyone who was paying attention during and immediately after the surge knows that's a lie.

Umm yeah, star has a better grip on that then a consensus report from our 16 intell/security services, a very hearty lol.

 

[starcitizen]

That's an awfully quick assumption. I won't believe anything this early.

It's been confirmed:

Paris Terrorist Attacks: Paris Suicide Bomber Entered Europe On Syrian Refugee Status, Authorities Confirm

 

[Montecresto]

The fall of genocidal dictatorship, institutionalized rape, mass killings, intentional starvation and a fake WMD program was a blow to us all. Long live genocide!

There is no threat from a fake WMD program, lol, and 5,000 American soldiers died, tens of thousands wounded, a trillion or more in treasure wasted on an enterprise that caused an increase in global terror and left my country less safe, so no, there was no victory.

 

[ecofarm]

There is no threat from a fake WMD program, lol, and 5,000 American soldiers died, tens of thousands wounded, a trillion or more in treasure wasted on an enterprise that caused an increase in global terror and left my country less safe, so no, there was no victory.

If you don't think deposing genocidal dictatorship and supporting democracy and human rights is a victory, that's your problem.

 

[starcitizen]

Umm yeah, star has a better grip on that then a consensus report from our 16 intell/security services, a very hearty lol.

The consensus report written before the surge which said a US victory in Iraq would demoralize the foreign fighters and make it less likely that they would carry out attacks elsewhere?

 

[Montecresto]

If you don't think deposing genocidal dictatorship and supporting democracy and human rights is a victory, that's your problem.

A victory for who. The 500,000 innocent Iraqis killed in the process, the US tax payers who's trillion plus was squandered, the US servicemen pushing up daisies or the ones who spend the rest of their lives in and out of VA hospitals that aren't doing their jobs very well, or maybe all the other victims of Islamic extremists strengthened by the invasion and occupation of Iraq. You support the most ****ed up policies dude!

 

[ecofarm]

A victory for who. The 500,000 innocent Iraqis killed in the process, the US tax payers who's trillion plus was squandered, the US servicemen pushing up daisies or the ones who spend the rest of their lives in and out of VA hospitals that aren't doing their jobs very well, or maybe all the other victims of Islamic extremists strengthened by the invasion and occupation of Iraq. You support the most ****ed up policies dude!

The millions of Iraqis and the free world.

Look, if you prefer genocidal dictatorship to democracy, again, that's your problem.

 

[Montecresto]

The consensus report written before the surge which said a US victory in Iraq would demoralize the foreign fighters and make it less likely that they would carry out attacks elsewhere?

They concluded that the invasion and occupation caused AN INCREASE IN GLOBAL TERROR, AND MADE MY COUNTRY LESS SAFE.

 

[starcitizen]

I'm demonstrating your cavalier attitude to fact. Extremists must be curtailed wherever they're found.

Was this even supposed to make sense?

 

[Montecresto]

The millions of Iraqis and the free world.

Look, if you prefer genocidal dictatorship to democracy, again, that's your problem.

Bush's own NIE concluded that his invasion and occupation of Iraq caused an increase in global terror and made America less safe. Get on the right side of the road dude and stop selling failure!