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Is the U.S. ready for Socialism?

BitterPill said:
1) Even Bush expanded Medicare and created the DHS.

2) National Socialists are big into socialism, but only for specific majorities. The rest can pound sand.
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1) What do you mean "even Bush"? The US has gone way beyond sensible government in the size and types of social programs it has introduced since FDR and accelerated since Johnson. We have made a huge mistake there, but do not like to call it by the "s" word.
2) Actually the social system was for all after the Volk had been tidied up. Sand powder would not have been pounded. It would have been made.
 
joG said:
1) What do you mean "even Bush"? The US has gone way beyond sensible government in the size and types of social programs it has introduced since FDR and accelerated since Johnson. We have made a huge mistake there, but do not like to call it by the "s" word.
2) Actually the social system was for all after the Volk had been tidied up. Sand powder would not have been pounded. It would have been made.
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Suit yourself.
 
Fletch said:
Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid aren't socialist programs? Of course they are.
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They are social programs, not socialism. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Uh......no. The Soviets were not capitalists.
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By one definition of the word "capitalist", they were. Capitalism is managing resources (capital) to become more efficient. So mass production is capitalism, while someone making items one at a time for personal use isn't.

That's why when I used the world capitalism, I specify "free market capitalism' to indicate that I'm not talking about what the USSR did.
 
imagep said:
By one definition of the word "capitalist", they were. Capitalism is managing resources (capital) to become more efficient. So mass production is capitalism, while someone making items one at a time for personal use isn't.

That's why when I used the world capitalism, I specify "free market capitalism' to indicate that I'm not talking about what the USSR did.
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Yeah, but free market capitalism and state controlled mass production are two very different animals.
 
imagep said:
By one definition of the word "capitalist", they were. Capitalism is managing resources (capital) to become more efficient. So mass production is capitalism, while someone making items one at a time for personal use isn't.

That's why when I used the world capitalism, I specify "free market capitalism' to indicate that I'm not talking about what the USSR did.
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It turns out the Chinese 'Communists' are pretty good at capitalism.
 
imagep said:
They are social programs, not socialism. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production.
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Yes, yes, I know. That's the dictionary definition of the word, but it really applies to no one. No one advocates that yet lots of people refer to themselves as socialist.
 
BitterPill said:
It turns out the Chinese 'Communists' are pretty good at capitalism.
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China has thrown in the towel on communism but is still very heavily authoritarian. Probably closer to fascism than anything else at this point.
 
Fletch said:
China has thrown in the towel on communism but is still very heavily authoritarian. Probably closer to fascism than anything else at this point.
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I believe the term is State Capitalism. The US did that during WW2, had a centrally planned economy, and it worked pretty well.
 
BitterPill said:
It looks like I'm not the worst when it comes to naïveté:

Under the traditional method of gauging poverty, adopted a half-century ago, California’s rate is 16 percent (6.1 million residents), somewhat above the national rate of 14.9 percent but by no means the highest. That dubious honor goes to New Mexico at 21.5 percent.​
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The traditional rate ignores cost of living. Why would you want to ignore something as relevant as the cost of living when it comes to determining poverty rates ?


BitterPill said:
It looks like the homeless gravitate to California. Frankly, I'm not surprised. It seems the homeless are smarter than the average Texan..
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Lol...California is producing poverty, not educated Americans homeless or otherwise


California students score near bottom in math and reading
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/28/california-students-score-near-bottom-in-math-and-reading.html


BitterPill said:
Yet California has a rather large rainy-day fund:

By 2017, California could have $7.2 billion socked away in rainy-day fund​

By 2017, California could have $7.2 billion socked away in rainy-day fund - LA Times

Go figure.
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:lamo :lamo A " rainy day fund " ???? Yea, your'e naive alright

California still owes the Feds 8 Billion dollars for a " loan " they took out to pay unemployment benefits. Never loan money to a Blue State, unless you have no intention of ever being paid back..

California still owes feds $8 billion for unemployment insurance
California still owes feds $8 billion for unemployment insurance | The Sacramento Bee

Stop believing the lies of leftist like Jerry Brown. The only surplus California exist in Jerry Brown's head...

How Jerry Brown Hoodwinks Reporters
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-04-13/how-jerry-brown-hoodwinks-reporters

" State governments have a surefire strategy for hoodwinking the public and the news media, and nowhere does it work more perfectly than in California. Journalists can't stop lauding Governor Jerry Brown for turning a fiscal crisis into a "surplus," even though that surplus was achieved by ignoring more than $6 billion in costs."


BitterPill said:
It seems Texas lags in creating its own companies. While I'm not a fan of Texas, I don't begrudge creating companies for Texas. Someone has to do it, and we'll make more. Hell, if there weren't jobs in Texas, Texans might want to move to California, and no one wants that to happen.
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IT SEEMS Texas has a REAL Rainy Day fund, not a imagined Surplus like Jerry Brown's....


Texas has $18 billion in new money to spend
Texas has $18 billion in new money to spend, but some is probably off-limits | Dallas Morning News
 
Fenton said:
The traditional rate ignores cost of living. Why would you want to ignore something as relevant as the cost of living when it comes to determining poverty rates ?




Lol...California is producing poverty, not educated Americans homeless or otherwise


California students score near bottom in math and reading
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/28/california-students-score-near-bottom-in-math-and-reading.html




:lamo :lamo A " rainy day fund " ???? Yea, your'e naive alright

California still owes the Feds 8 Billion dollars for a " loan " they took out to pay unemployment benefits. Never loan money to a Blue State, unless you have no intention of ever being paid back..

California still owes feds $8 billion for unemployment insurance
California still owes feds $8 billion for unemployment insurance | The Sacramento Bee

Stop believing the lies of leftist like Jerry Brown. The only surplus California exist in Jerry Brown's head...

How Jerry Brown Hoodwinks Reporters
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-04-13/how-jerry-brown-hoodwinks-reporters

" State governments have a surefire strategy for hoodwinking the public and the news media, and nowhere does it work more perfectly than in California. Journalists can't stop lauding Governor Jerry Brown for turning a fiscal crisis into a "surplus," even though that surplus was achieved by ignoring more than $6 billion in costs."




IT SEEMS Texas has a REAL Rainy Day fund, not a imagined Surplus like Jerry Brown's....


Texas has $18 billion in new money to spend
Texas has $18 billion in new money to spend, but some is probably off-limits | Dallas Morning News
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As long as you stay in Texas, everyone will be happy. We'll even send you companies to keep you there.

In any case, earthquakes are terrifying. No need for you to risk crapping your pants.
 
Fenton said:
The traditional rate ignores cost of living. Why would you want to ignore something as relevant as the cost of living when it comes to determining poverty rates ?




Lol...California is producing poverty, not educated Americans homeless or otherwise


California students score near bottom in math and reading
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/28/california-students-score-near-bottom-in-math-and-reading.html




:lamo :lamo A " rainy day fund " ???? Yea, your'e naive alright

California still owes the Feds 8 Billion dollars for a " loan " they took out to pay unemployment benefits. Never loan money to a Blue State, unless you have no intention of ever being paid back..

California still owes feds $8 billion for unemployment insurance
California still owes feds $8 billion for unemployment insurance | The Sacramento Bee

Stop believing the lies of leftist like Jerry Brown. The only surplus California exist in Jerry Brown's head...

How Jerry Brown Hoodwinks Reporters
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2014-04-13/how-jerry-brown-hoodwinks-reporters

" State governments have a surefire strategy for hoodwinking the public and the news media, and nowhere does it work more perfectly than in California. Journalists can't stop lauding Governor Jerry Brown for turning a fiscal crisis into a "surplus," even though that surplus was achieved by ignoring more than $6 billion in costs."




IT SEEMS Texas has a REAL Rainy Day fund, not a imagined Surplus like Jerry Brown's....


Texas has $18 billion in new money to spend
Texas has $18 billion in new money to spend, but some is probably off-limits | Dallas Morning News
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since much of this is false lets just dismiss the entire pile. :fart:fart
 
BitterPill said:
As long as you stay in Texas, everyone will be happy. We'll even send you companies to keep you there.

In any case, earthquakes are terrifying. No need for you to risk crapping your pants.
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I don't think your post ranks as a reply to the facts presented. Perhaps you should try again, or admit your post about Browns "rainy day fund" was just satire.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't think your post ranks as a reply to the facts presented. Perhaps you should try again, or admit your post about Browns "rainy day fund" was just satire.
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What makes you think you can boss me around?
 
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BitterPill said:
What makes you think you can boss me around?
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LOL.

What makes you think I tried to?

Your post was soundly refuted with facts, and you bailed on it. Clearly, with your understanding of facts, it would appear those running California already can claim the are successfully bossing you around, so perhaps you should take up the issue with them.
 
katzgar said:
since much of this is false lets just dismiss the entire pile. :fart:fart
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Prove its false.....if you're capable. Personally, I dont think you're capable of posting anything intelligent at all
 
Fenton said:
Prove its false.....if you're capable. Personally, I dont think you're capable of posting anything intelligent at all
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you caught me you win. all your stuff is true......in your own little make believe.
 
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