Dirt Racer
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Is the President YOUR President?
I occasionally hear people say, "President <insert name here> is not MY President!" Usually by people who intensely dislike the current President. To me, this places party loyalty, and to a lesser extent ideology, above country.
Have you ever had such sentiments?
Yup. I don't like what he does and frankly most of the time listening to him drives up my blood pressure, but he is my President. He's the leader of the country. You are absolutely correct - to say that someone from the other party is "not your President" is to elevate your partisan affiliation over your national affiliation. If that is your order of precedence, then that means you would be willing to harm the country in order to help your party, and I cordially invite you to take a swim to some other nation (Cuba, comes to mind) where Party is held in esteem more in line with your value system.
BUU-uuut, that doesn't mean I will "always support him", so I can't vote that in the poll.
On political sites, certainly. This country only has one president at a time and he is everyone's president. Regardless whether you voted for him or not, ideology, political differences, everything. Yes, I tend to agree with you that people who say this do put party over country. But in their defense, so do most of our elected leaders in Washington today. For most it isn't about the future of the country, it is the next election. How can we, my party retain power or achieve power. Personally I think Senators Reid and McConnell epitomize this type of thinking. It is always my way or the highway. Something comes over to the senate from the house, Reid just tables it, no debate, no vote, the czar of the senate has spoken although the senate has the power to amend, change, add, delete anything to those bills. McConnell loves to filibuster everything and anything that the Democrats want, a sort of tit for tat. They are not leaders of the senate, they are party hacks.
I wish President Obama would have reached across the aisle to find some Republicans he could have worked with when the GOP won the house back in 2010, he didn't. IKE did with LBJ, then democratic senate majority leader. Both JFK and LBJ when presidents did with Everitt Dirksen, then Republican minority leader. Even Reagan, that die hard conservative to hear some people talk, worked very closely with Tip O'Neal, Clinton to a lesser amount worked with Lott, Gingrich and Hastert after the Republican took over congress in 1994. President Obama hasn't even tried.
Our gridlock and hate of government is what happens when the leaders of both parties take this approach. Back in the 90 60% of the electorate identified themselves with the two major parties, only 32% as independents, today those number read 50% who identify with the two parties and independents has increased to 47% a whopping 15 point increased as more and more people are becoming dissatisfied with both parties. Figures courtesy of gallup. Democrats has dropped from 38 to 30% of the electorate, Republicans from 30 to 20%.
He's not my president fits in, for sure, Washington is filled with our elected officials who put loyalty to party way above loyalty to country. Who put good of the party way ahead of the good of the nation. As along as this continues, our future as a nation looks real bleak.
No, I haven't. Have you? I suspect some deflection and subterfuge here. I don't know what would ever giver me that idea, but I suspect that the OP may have just such sentiments and needs to be heavily medicated. Relax. Mental health treatment is an integral part of the ACA. Just go to the site, and jump in the shopping cart. All will be well.Is the President YOUR President?
I occasionally hear people say, "President <insert name here> is not MY President!" Usually by people who intensely dislike the current President. To me, this places party loyalty, and to a lesser extent ideology, above country.
Have you ever had such sentiments?
Is the President YOUR President?
I occasionally hear people say, "President <insert name here> is not MY President!" Usually by people who intensely dislike the current President. To me, this places party loyalty, and to a lesser extent ideology, above country.
Have you ever had such sentiments?
I didn't vote for him, but he's my President, and I hope he does a good job
Hey, isn't that what the left threatened to do after Bush II was elected? Leave?
FWIW, I'll stay right here in 'my' country of Texas.
Hey, isn't that what the left threatened to do after Bush II was elected? Leave?
FWIW, I'll stay right here in 'my' country of Texas.
Is the President YOUR President?
I occasionally hear people say, "President <insert name here> is not MY President!" Usually by people who intensely dislike the current President. To me, this places party loyalty, and to a lesser extent ideology, above country.
Have you ever had such sentiments?
Or are you just ignorantly prognosticating 3 years out from the electioni that the Democrats will simply automatically win, and put it there for no other reason other than to thumb your nose at the other side while trying to act like you're being above the hyper partisan frey?So just to clarify...are you attempting to act as if you're somehow above the frey, while slyly suggesting that if a Republican wins the Presidency they won't really be President?
:agree: I just hope that whatever agendas are being followed die a quick death! Our country is too important to most of us to allow the current idiocy to continue!
The funny thing is the folks on the right saying they will move to Canada if Obama is elected - and they indicate healthcare as a huge reason.
It was beyond funny, I always wanted to say - you get my point - screw this middle of the road stuff - go to Canada with an actual socialized medicine structure.:lamo
I agree, but we in the general electorate have the power to change all of this. But we won't. Very few look at how our elected officials actually govern. They listen to their rhetoric and buy into that rhetoric, even though they govern completely the opposite. Then there are those who in their heart and mind, know what every the elected official did or said was wrong, but that official is of the same party and they will defend them to the max. This all comes back to that party over country, loyalty to party thing.
I suspect that most people have no idea what to do to fix things, so they keep voting the same folks that created the problems back into office, hoping things will change. We all know the definition of insanity... :screwy: :sigh:
I'm Canadian, so perhaps my opinion means squat here - but I'll give it anyway
Having respect for the office, the highest electoral office in the land, does not equate absolutely to showing or having respect for the person who actually holds the office. Having the ability and the strength to vehemently disagree with what your elected representative is doing in his/her office is the very essence of democracy.
If people blindly support President Obama against all evidence suggesting they should do otherwise, that doesn't make them patriotic, that just makes them blind fools. For the better part of a decade or perhaps more, people have been stroking Obama as if he's some kind of genious and now the dolt actually believes it. Perhaps if he'd gotten a little more friction in his face before now, he wouldn't be such an arrogant, egotistical, poor excuse of a leader.
Accepting that a POTUS is your POTUS does not equate for blind support of every (or any) policy. That is what freedom of speech is for.
BTW, you think Obama didn't get a lot of friction from the get go?
The problem here is that the obnoxious fringe takes over. ANd in this country, the obnoxious fringe is very well financed. How many months and years were spent on the birth certificate crap? The thing was produced and verified, then we had about, what, 2 years of "long form"crap? Then the college transcript crap? Then the secret Muslim due to his early education in a Muslim country. Which is funny because the other group was after him for attending a specific Christian church.
Then the Tea Party.....we will forget for a moment that they are supposed to be about fiscal responsibility, but can become so socially aimed that they are more -"tea-vangelicals" .The Tea Party that insists it is about change of the way things work but will not allow talk about what lead us into the current fiscal crisis under a Republican Administration.
Seriously, I cannot believe you think that you think that Obama did not get friction. He did, it is just that idiots were looking for "gotchya" moments more than anything.
Seriously, I cannot believe that you think that Obama has received friction, the kind of friction that any opponent he has faced has had to endure. That's just "drinking the kool-ade" nonsense.
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