Actually, under the definition I gave, I am not against classifying rape as a hate crime.
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It was apparently motivated by hatred over their political and social views, so it could be construed as a hate crime.... except I don't believe in "hate crimes legislation". Crime is crime. Charge the shooter with attempted murder and be done with it.
It was apparently motivated by hatred over their political and social views, so it could be construed as a hate crime.... except I don't believe in "hate crimes legislation". Crime is crime. Charge the shooter with attempted murder and be done with it.
To simply apply a basic reasoning to a charge is to ignore who the FRC are and why the shooter was there in the first place. It must be investigated and charged if this was indeed a hate crime, as a hate crime carries a stiffer sentence and the FNC falls within that class which that crime laws are deemed to protect.
The "Family Research Council (FRC) has advanced faith, family and freedom in public policy and the culture from a Christian worldview. The shooter told the guard, "I don't like your politics" before firing the shot."
The problem is FNC "politics" is directly related to their religious beliefs. In fact, "FRC's team of seasoned experts promotes these core values through policy research, public education on Capitol Hill and in the media, and grassroots mobilization. We review legislation, meet with policymakers, publish books and pamphlets, build coalitions, testify before Congress, and maintain a powerful presence online and in the print and broadcast media. Through our outreach to pastors, we equip churches to transform the culture."
The FRC "politics" are inextricably intertwined with their "Christian" religious views and values this is what motivated the shooter and why he sought out this group as a target.
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As I said, it could be construed as a hate crime.
However, I don't believe in hate crimes legislation. For one I think it violates the "equal protection" clause, creating "special protected groups" and extra punishment for targeting them.
Most crimes are motivated by either hate or greed. It is reasonably safe to say that almost all cases of murder or attempted murder are motivated by hate in some fashion. Punish the crime, not the "thought".
If that were true then there wouldn't be different degrees of murder.Crime is crime.
If that were true then there wouldn't be different degrees of murder.
Not even a little bit.Totally missing the point.
Sure, look at the civil war where there was Plenty of hate for everybody; including the long, the short, and the tall Everbody hates something. Hate has no boundries.Cmakaioz, I have a question for you. Do you think white people or Christians can be victims of hate crimes?
But they're still applied equally. There is no special category for happy drunks vs a-hole drunks. Drunk is drunk.That is not what you said., You said legislation should not be made based on what "might or could" happen. Drunk driving laws are based on what might or could happen when some one drives drunk.
You don't understand the justice system. The justice system is, in part, founded on the notion that society needs to be protected from what criminals might or could do.Yes, they have committed a crime and shown that they are dangerous, but they are being punished for the crime. Sentencing is when they decide the length of time the person will do because of the level of their crime. If you were right, there would be no such thing as parole because any person released could be a potential danger to the community. There is no way to know for sure. Nobody is punished because of what they MIGHT do. They are punished because they have committed a crime.
Cmakaioz, I have a question for you. Do you think white people or Christians can be victims of hate crimes?
That's simply politically correct absurdity.You asked Cmakaioz, but I'll answer this too: No. A majority-power group cannot be the target of a hate crime, because by definition, a hate crime targets an oppressed group, NOT an individual. Otherwise, it is a crime against an individual only and should be prosecuted as such.
That's simply politically correct absurdity.
You asked Cmakaioz, but I'll answer this too: No. A majority-power group cannot be the target of a hate crime, because by definition, a hate crime targets an oppressed group, NOT an individual. Otherwise, it is a crime against an individual only and should be prosecuted as such.
There is a difference between "crimes are motivated by either hate or greed" which, according to your inference, are crimes regarding society in general and crimes against groups motivated by hatred of their religion, sex, race etc etc. A thought can never be punished, but an act which manifests that thought and results in a crime should be punished in that special classification of "Hate Crime". The whole idea a "thought" is punishable as a crime is an obfuscation of what a hate crime is.
If a crime carries a heavier punishment than it otherwise would, because it is presumed to have been motivated by a thought that, in itself wouldn't have been a crime, then this does indeed have the effect of criminalizing the thought.
In other words an individual can hate a group based on race, religion etc etc all they want and do so for the rest of their lives with impunity. The moment they act and commit a crime against the group they hate then there is a manifestation of the hate and then it is punishable as a hate crime.
The simple FACT of the matter is that you and others cannot read minds. THAT is the ONLY FACT here.
It was apparently motivated by hatred over their political and social views, so it could be construed as a hate crime....
except I don't believe in "hate crimes legislation". Crime is crime. Charge the shooter with attempted murder and be done with it.
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