Is my anger over covid-19 actions justified?

[Schrott]

Your using burn restrictions as an analogy to covid-19 rules.

But even that can be problematic. I can't find the story, but 2 or 3 years ago a person found himself lost way back in a remote park forest, no winter clothing, so with temperatures dropping below freezing he started a fire for heat. This got out of control, causing a forest fire. They prosecuted him - violating the no burning rule of the federal park.

Should they have? If those are the only relevant facts, I say no. You?

I say yes, 15 years of outfitting, high country, 15 years of search and rescue high country. They are so stupid to go into the high country without being prepared and than cause a forest fire, nail them to the wall by their balls. Over the last 15 years my farm was threatened by forest fires, caused by humans,. If the slurry bombers open up over your house the fun stops.
Even in a remote area, millions of dollar are lost and spent to stop the fire.

Nail them.

 

[Schrott]

If a business has a that masks are required, I wear one - even if no one else including most employees aren't.
We are a covid-19 "critically essential" manufacturer and supplier.
I do not plan to get the vaccine and feel strongly on the topic. I do not oppose other people deciding to do so.

I question your leadership. My business is essential, my employees and I have to deal with the public. It is my job to protect my employees and there for have to lead the way, in protection and vaccination.
Set the example.

I feel sorry for your employees, no proper leadership.

 

[Juks]

I do not agree the mRNA "vaccine" is a vaccine. It is a new theory of a preventative. There has been no long term testing of that theory on animals, let alone humans. Messing my autoimmune system is something I'm going to do because politicians and drug merchants tell me to buy it.

That is a very valid point.

 

[roguenuke]

How outrageous of you to know both the cure and a vaccine for AIDS are refuse to divulge it. Or in other words, don't waste my time proposing a link posting contest.

I provide evidence for my claims, not absolutes.

You posted crap then, otherwise source it.

 

[joko104]

I question your leadership. My business is essential, my employees and I have to deal with the public. It is my job to protect my employees and there for have to lead the way, in protection and vaccination.
Set the example.

I feel sorry for your employees, no proper leadership.

Spamming some gigantic picture on your sig line is annoying.

The number of injuries at our location? None. Ever. The number of employees or their relatives that have tested positive or gotten covid-19. None. Does that mean we do nothing? No. We do things I don't care to debate on the forum including nano-tech stuff including that we manufacture. Little of what we do requires a mask. Most of what we do requires commercial eye protection googles. "You don't wear your googles and you don't have a job." Numerous eye washout posts.

A sheep letting TV commentators tell them what to think, say and do isn't leadership.

I'm glad to hear that you have have provided for your employees wearing full rated bio-hazard face shield respirators out of your desire to protect your employees. I bet you so care about them you even sprung for each to have $1,000+ positive pressure full face shield respirators so not to inhibit their breathing - right? You did do that, didn't you? We have those for our employees for hazardous materials that call for them. How many such full face shield bio-hazards respirators does your business have for your employees?

Don't tell me you so much don't give a damn about them that you have them wearing pennies-each Chinese K95 or homemade/Amazon masks - while telling me you protect your employees.

 

[joko104]

I provide evidence for my claims, not absolutes.

You posted crap then, otherwise source it.

Already have. In fact, someone thinking they were defending Fauci did for me.

Proof?

 

[roguenuke]

Already have. In fact, someone thinking they were defending Fauci did for me.

Then point it out. It wouldn't be that hard. Unless you posted out of context, trying to claim that saying AIDS is not caused by HIV the way we believed is the same or similar to HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

 

[joko104]

Then point it out. It wouldn't be that hard. Unless you posted out of context, trying to claim that saying AIDS is not caused by HIV the way we believed is the same or similar to HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

I was referring to the topic of this thread.

Start a thread on HIV/AIDS.

 

[roguenuke]

I edited to add more to my message.

So you cheer that under Fauci's guidance NO vaccine and NO cure to HIV/AIDS has never been found. This is proof to you that Fauci is the person to listen to. Maybe but for people like you that worship Dr. Fauci - who also is responsible for the very existence of the Wuhan Biological Warfare lab exists in the first place .

800,000+ Americans and millions and millions worldwide would not have died of AIDS - and are still dying of AIDS. But for Dr. Fauci, Covid-19 likely wouldn't even exist. But OH HOW MUCH MONEY HE AND HIS BIG PHARMA are making off it - and all those speaking fees he's stuffing in his pocket to say what they pay him to say. How much do drug companies make off each HIV/AIDS patient? Why would they give that up? Dr. Fauci the #1 protector of their profits - demanding no alternative research, demanding there is no debate or discussion, and instead just demanding people believe him because he's the great Dr. Fauci.

Anything Fauci controls? Buy semi-trucks full of body bags - but disease and death is so massively profitable - including to Fauci personally.

You know what, provide evidence, credible sources, for anything you posted here. It is all bullshit that you are trying to pass off as something someone else with credibility said or claimed about Fauci, with no evidence at all to support.

 

[roguenuke]

I was referring to the topic of this thread.

Start a thread on HIV/AIDS.

The topic of this thread is Covid19 and you brought up Fauci and how his recommendations are not credible due to some statement/argument you found between him and another, discredited chemist who won a Nobel prize over 25 years ago. Either support the claims made by the Nobel laureate against Fauci, or admit that they are unscientific conspiracy theories.

 

[joko104]

You know what, provide evidence, credible sources, for anything you posted here. It is all bullshit that you are trying to pass off as something someone else with credibility said or claimed about Fauci, with no evidence at all to support.

Your message is just a lie, unless ignorant in that you don't read other messages and only listen to yourself.

 

[The AntiDonald]

So, your disbelief in the COVID-19 shot is how you honor your former lies....




You truly have no idea what you write from post to post, do you? An example in logic and reasoning:

- One who warns, urges action, and looks to protect people from a pandemic does not insist that doctors and health officials know less than you and that the vaccine, in which the entire world is taking, doesn't work.

So far, as far as I know, nobody who has gotten COVID-19, after taking the shot, has died.

This is exactly why I put Joko on ignore many months ago. I couldn't read through one of his posts without shaking my head till I got dizzy. I don't like being dizzy.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

That is a very valid point.

No it’s not. It’s paranoia based on lack of education in these vaccines.

 

[joko104]

The topic of this thread is Covid19 and you brought up Fauci and how his recommendations are not credible due to some statement/argument you found between him and another, discredited chemist who won a Nobel prize over 25 years ago. Either support the claims made by the Nobel laureate against Fauci, or admit that they are unscientific conspiracy theories.

^ A stupid message. The person responsible for the covid-19 test, Nobel laureate - is discredited by you?

Fauci said covid-19 was less harmful than the flu. Just take his word for it.

Fauci said covid-19 poised no danger to the USA. Just take his word for it.

Fauci said do not wear masks because you'll infect yourself. Just take his word for it.

Then he said the exact opposite. Just take his word for it.

There is no position of any kind - one side or the other - Fauci has said is scientific fact - just because he says so. Fauci is a professional speak who says what he is paid to say - now over $50,000 in his pocket each time. How many times has Fauci spoken about covid-19? Multiply that by at least $50,000 each - already the highest paid federal employee by far.

Fauci discredited himself in his own words from the get-go.

 

[roguenuke]

^ A stupid message. The person responsible for the covid-19 test, Nobel laureate - is discredited by you?

Fauci said covid-19 was less harmful than the flu. Just take his word for it.

Fauci said covid-19 poised no danger to the USA. Just take his word for it.

Fauci said do not wear masks because you'll infect yourself. Just take his word for it.

Then he said the exact opposite. Just take his word for it.

There is no position of any kind - one side or the other - Fauci has said is scientific fact - just because he says so. Fauci is a professional speak who says what he is paid to say - now over $50,000 in his pocket each time. How many times has Fauci spoken about covid-19? Multiply that by at least $50,000 each - already the highest paid federal employee by far.

Fauci discredited himself in his own words from the get-go.

The person responsible for the method, that was developed in the 80s and he got the prize, w/ another in the 90s. Having a major accomplishment doesn't mean everything he says is unquestionable or correct in other areas.

Quote, in context, Fauci. Provide links since you are making these claims. You are likely discussing words he said early on, before more information was known and he likely put that caveat in them or in the context. But of course, without your links to evidence any of these things, you have nothing but claims.

Hey look, context for his words.

Disease Expert: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus

Interview with NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

www.mynews13.com

"I think there's this misperception that wearing a mask, even if you were in an area where there was transmission, is going to absolutely protect you," Fauci said. "A mask is more appropriate for someone who is infected to prevent them from infecting someone else."

See that bolded/italicized part there? It is completely consistent with what is being said now, with more information. Then they(CDC) and he did not know about the incubation period or asymptomatic numbers with this virus. Context and understanding is important.

At that time, in February 2020, he was correct, for that time. But he also likely thought that the government would also take the virus a little more seriously as well, especially as things changed over the following month.

 

[joko104]

The person responsible for the method, that was developed in the 80s and he got the prize, w/ another in the 90s. Having a major accomplishment doesn't mean everything he says is unquestionable or correct in other areas.

Quote, in context, Fauci. Provide links since you are making these claims. You are likely discussing words he said early on, before more information was known and he likely put that caveat in them or in the context. But of course, without your links to evidence any of these things, you have nothing but claims.

Hey look, context for his words.

Disease Expert: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus

Interview with NIAID Director Dr. Anthony Fauci.

www.mynews13.com

"I think there's this misperception that wearing a mask, even if you were in an area where there was transmission, is going to absolutely protect you," Fauci said. "A mask is more appropriate for someone who is infected to prevent them from infecting someone else."

See that bolded/italicized part there? It is completely consistent with what is being said now, with more information. Then they(CDC) and he did not know about the incubation period or asymptomatic numbers with this virus. Context and understanding is important.

At that time, in February 2020, he was correct, for that time. But he also likely thought that the government would also take the virus a little more seriously as well, especially as things changed over the following month.

Your excuse of "early on" doesn't work - or I could use the same defense as well. Maybe Fauci will change his mind tomorrow - and then you just use your "he got more info" exception - that you uniquely give to him.

I am tired of debating people who openly never read the forum, never remember anything and pretend they know nothing. It has proven what Fauci said "early on" dozens if not hundreds of times on the forum. Biden ordered you to never accept facts, so you don't. There is no reason to provide links to someone who refuses to ever look at them UNLESS they say what he wants them to say.

Fauci said you should wear TWO masks and a face shield/googles. Do you?

 

[joko104]

The topic of this thread is Covid19 and you brought up Fauci and how his recommendations are not credible due to some statement/argument you found between him and another, discredited chemist who won a Nobel prize over 25 years ago. Either support the claims made by the Nobel laureate against Fauci, or admit that they are unscientific conspiracy theories.

I just noticed your attack against both Nobel laureates and winners - claiming they are all "discredited" and won because they publish "unscientific conspiracy theories." LOL!

Don't forget to wear both your two masks and face shield - and never put the same mask on twice either. Any time after you take both off, replace them. 10 or 20 masks a day probably should be enough - usually. Or are you a science denier disputing Fauci's expertise?

 

[Ethel2]

NO! Stop being a science denier. ALL the experts say that you MUST keep wearing your mask even with the vaccine. Are you claiming you know more than "the scientists?"

Finally something cogent from you.
Masks are still necessary after being vaccinated to prevent others from potential infection. The data isn’t yet available to make any other recommendation.
Thats the science. You and your ilk will continue to deny it, but that doesn’t make it less true.

 

[Ethel2]

At the same time Fauci was on the radio and giving interviews assuring people that covid-19 is less dangerous than the flu and poises no risk to the USA, he warned some people he knows in a little hideout city near here to get ready for a lockdown.

To Fauci's mind, you and I don't qualify to be dirt under his feet.

The creator of the test for covid-19, winning the Nobel Peace Prize for it and before covid-19, said the test has no value to viral disease detect and called Fauci "a liar" and imcompetent, a hack.

“
To Fauci's mind, you and I don't qualify to be dirt under his feet. ”

Fauci is half right in this case

 

[reflechissez]

I understand many old age people have severe short term memory lose so I'll let your message slide.



It is amazing how many posters can't remember what they posted only minutes prior. That must be really frustrating to you.

Where do I say that YOU don't wear a mask? I swear, you're decompensating. You even believe that you were cutting edge re: covid while having your butt handed to you in your own anger thread.

 

[joko104]

"MASKS ARE NOT USEFUL" - 'EXPERT' DR. FAUCI
March 2020

 

[Ethel2]

I don't agree with much of your specifics here, but I do agree we should be outraged at the level of damage our government has done to we, the people.

This new virus does kill more people than normal cold and flu seasons, but I believe we should have simply advised the population how to individually stay safe, and let everyone decide for themselves. Let individual businesses decide if they require a mask or not for example.

The government was obviously wrong in their guidance and they know it. But to save face, they have to keep up the lies and require the vacines before they can lift their stupidity.

Its the jackass who is primarily at fault. Wasn’t he Fauci’s boss? If Fauci was wrong about everything (he wasn’t) isn’t it up to the president to make the final decisions? Fauci doesn’t sign laws; he doesn’t make policy; he doesn’t control invoking the DPA or the borders.
This is on the jackass.
He screwed up.

 

[reflechissez]

Already have. In fact, someone thinking they were defending Fauci did for me.

Proof?

Your posts don't have enough credibility to take this at face value (no pun intended).

 

[joko104]

“
To Fauci's mind, you and I don't qualify to be dirt under his feet. ”

Fauci is half right in this case

Ah, you personally are a big deal to Fauci. Tell us all - just how important are you to him? Does he consult with you first before issuing his paid statements? How much consultation fees do you charge him?

Truth is irrelevant to him. He has a secret Gulf frontage home in a little city near here we often go to and dine at. I won't say which as maybe that would break a rule. He was telling people there that a lock down is coming - while on TV and the radio assuring covid-19 is less harmful than the flu, doesn't poise danger to the USA, don't wear masks and no long down even if it happened would last more than 2 weeks - as were all the experts.

Later, most acknowledged they were lying to manipulation the public into not buying masks due to a shortage for healthcare workers and to prevent stocking-up panic buying.

Once it known someone will lie to manipulate me as just one of a herd of homo sapiens to be lied to for tactical reasons, there is no reason to ever listen to that person about anything. There is no reason to listen to Fauci about anything. He's a liar - a paid professional liar.

 

[joko104]

Your posts don't have enough credibility to take this at face value (no pun intended).

You maybe could post a message MORE proving your commitment to ignorance - if you really tried super hard. You just erased your credibility beyond resorting to attempting to derail by irrelevant personal attacks. You also proved you only listen to yourself on the forum as such pictures have been posted many times and you could check it out for yourself online. But Biden ordered you to never accept facts - so you never can.