Is it time to ban the open carry of assault rifles?

[TurtleDude]

Since you keep using the term "anti gun" what exactly do mean by that?
Also did I understand a prior post to suggest that AR 15's are used more often in shootings because the media and anti gun folks talk about them?

anti gun=desiring more restrictions on what gun owners can legally do today

 

[Gaius46]

N9, that makes them terrible self defense weapons. Do you really want to shoot a bunch of rounds that can Pentwater walls in your own house or nieghborhood?

Think about it.

Personally my home defense weapon is a Colt 1911. It will easily penetrate sheet rock walls. As will the shotgun if I chose to use that.

Granted that’s much less of an issue if the round hits someone first but the same is true of a .223 (dependent on load)

 

[Excast]

that's silly and not supported by facts

In what jurisdiction do you see police officers walking around with long guns as part of their normal, on person gear?

 

[Excast]

Fast food. Preventable medical mistakes. Airline crashes. Covid. I see it all the time.

Murdered.

Accidents and poor life choices aren't murder.

I can choose not to eat poorly. I can't choose whether or not I am going to be unlucky enough to be in a store/church/restaurant/movie theater/school when the next disturbed white man decides he is having a bad day and needs to commit mass murder.

 

[Dayton3]

SO if there is no real reason to carry these weapons openly into stores, then you should have not trouble in banning them. the vast majority of mass killings in this country are carried out by these weapons. Have you ever seen what these weapons do to a human being. The small projectile at such high velocity can cause massive damager to a person even if the hit is not in a vital area of the body. While in the military we were shown pictures of some of the wounds. It is not a pretty sight.

How many bullet (or knife) wound have you seen that were "a pretty sight"?

 

[The Old Soul]

The presence of firearms in America appears to have a much greater negative effect than positive. In 60+ years, the people I've known who have died by gun had nothing to do with self protection or defending the Constitution. In Minneapolis back in the 1970's, a friend was shot in their home, in their bed, specifically to murder them; it's a cold case that was back-burnered after ballistics traced the murder weapon to a policeman's gun that was reported stolen a few months prior. A home weapon would not have helped since the victim was shot in their sleep.

Another friend was shot in the head and died putting his mistakenly-left-loaded 22 rifle into the trunk of his car butt first when going varmint hunting; he was only 16. Another school buddy pulled off both barrels of a 12 gauge shotgun with the business end jammed against the roof of his mouth. A work associate did the same with a 44 revolver sitting in his car in the parking lot where we worked.

As a gun owner, I have never even so much as grabbed a gun with the intent of protecting home or body against a perpetrator, but I did once use my wife's 22 pump to dispatch a skunk that juiced our dog one night and decided to make a stand in our yard - it was a handy way to eliminate the problem, but we could have probably scared it away with a pan and a spoon. Would have saved myself some digging too...

Gun laws were written in vastly different times and involved vastly cruder weapons. In modern society, guns are way more negative for the general population than beneficial. The entire firearm concept needs revamped or the negatives will continue to dwarf the positives.

 

[pinqy]

The Ar15's and the M16's have higher muzzle velocities which cause a lot more damage than many of the civilian semiauto's like the one you are showing in the picture. Like I said, shoot both in jell and see which causes the most damage.

No, they don’t. Muzzle velocity depends on the ammunition and barrel length. There is absolutely nothing about the mechanism of an AR platform that could increase muzzle velocity. What exactly are you claiming does?

 

[NolanVoyd]

that's silly and not supported by facts

No, those are the facts.

 

[Excast]

No, they don’t. Muzzle velocity depends on the ammunition and barrel length. There is absolutely nothing about the mechanism of an AR platform that could increase muzzle velocity. What exactly are you claiming does?

An average shot from an AR-15 is 3-4 times faster than what you would see from a standard 9mm handgun. And that imparts a great deal more damage to the human body as well.

What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns

They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Jean-s]

Personally my home defense weapon is a Colt 1911. It will easily penetrate sheet rock walls. As will the shotgun if I chose to use that.

Granted that’s much less of an issue if the round hits someone first but the same is true of a .223 (dependent on load)

Where some of us live, we do not require any kind of weapon to feel safe in our homes. The only people I see with a firearm where I live are our police and guardia civil.

 

[Hypothetical]

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those are fully legal semi automatic rifles. NOT assault rifles.

 

[Hypothetical]

Yes it is, of course, but that would have very little effect on actual shootings.
The semi autos with the large interchangeable magazines shouldn't even be permitted in the general population, IMO, but even if they were to all disappear from society it would have a negligible effect on numbers of shootings and deaths because in the majority of shootings its pistols that are used.

The USA is a nation that puts a greater emphasis on free and easy access to firearms than it does on voting or access to healthcare.
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ok China, thanks for your input.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Murdered. Accidents and poor life choices aren't murder.

Serving food that you know leads to the consumer's death, is murder. Eating food that you know will lead to your death, is suicide. The tobacco industry is another example.

Ending other people's lives is normal in the modern world.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Where some of us live, we do not require any kind of weapon to feel safe in our homes.

Wow, you're unironically talking down to people who aren't as privileged as you.

 

[NolanVoyd]

those are fully legal semi automatic rifles. NOT assault rifles.

Right. We agree on that.

But the top post is using the term in the way it is commonly, though inaccurately used, to refer to semi autos like AR's.

We agree that the term is not accurate. Nevertheless that is how the term is commonly used, and the way it was used in the top post.

 

[Wayne Jr]

The cops don't use them for self defense.

The cops are ONLY allowed to use them for self-defense. That is THE ONLY reason cops can use firearms at all, ever.

 

[VanceMack]

People say it is my right to open carry my assault rifle, I do not think it is. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater, rights outlined in the Constitution are not limitless. The problem with open carry of assault rifles is that someone planning a mass shooting like happened today i Boulder, Co, can legally carry such a weapon into a shopping center and no one can no and just open fire. Gun proponents say it is the cost of freedom and continue to say it until someone in their own family is killed. And now the milita's are using such weapons to intimidate our government officials. And it is now,as can be seen in Georgia, easier to buy a gun than to vote. If a person really believes it is necessary to carry for protection, then do it both concealed and a hand gun. I know that i am tired of constantly seeing mass killings on the tube and not all of them are shown. there were over 400 last year alson and we had close to 40,000 guns deaths last year. Interesting that we have had over 1.9 million gun deaths in this country in the past 50 years, but just over 1,200 proven cases of voter fraud,

Holy shit. Your entire post is one gigantic turd. What did you do, troll all the left wing sites, pick one sentence snippets from each and shove it all into one painful, tortured paragraph?

1st...it isn't a given that anyone can legally open carry in a mall or other shopping establishment. Stores have a right to post no firearm signs and to dictate firearm policy in their store and most malls do.
2nd...In the 'siege' on the Capitol that still has most idiot leftists shitting themselves...how many firearms of ANY kind were recovered? Where you have seen citizens legally carrying firearms in state capitols how many times have you seen those law abiding citizens threatening anyone with their firearms?
3rd...FFS...the law in Georgia is that you go to a polling location, show your ID, sign on your line and cast your ballot. The polling locations in Fulton County were open for a full THREE WEEKS prior to election day. If you are entitled to a mail in ballot its even easier. How do you find that comparable to the ease of purchasing a firearm from an FFL where you have to present ID and submit not just to paperwork but to a background check?
4th...Most people that carry for persona protection do some in a concealed manner. If someone is a threat with a concealed weapon how would that be any different than someone being a threat with an open carried weapon?
5th...Of the "over 400 mass shootings" you are talking about on average 397 of those 400 are perpetrated by gang members against minority communities...and people like you with all your poutrage over firearms haven't said a ****ING WORD about gang violence or violence perpetrated IN the minority communities BY minority offenders. Not a ****ing word.
6th...Good lord dood...you start a thread bitching about open carry and then site "40,000 gun deaths." With about 9,000-10,000 of those gun deaths occurring in minority communities on a daily basis which we have established...you dont give a **** about them AND they don't have **** all to do with your post, that leaves around 30,000 (I think your numbers are high by about 10,000, but whatever) gun deaths by suicide which again...you DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM AND has **** all to do with anything related to your post.

 

[Deuce]

For one "assault rifles" in the civilian world are just semi-auto rifles. Military define assault rifles that have full auto or multi-burst capability. Which isn't available to the civilian market. Growing up in the gun culture who owns many guns should know this. The AR-15 platform, while modeled after the military version, is not a military assault rifle. Because it lack the full-auto mode making it operate the same as most other semi-auto rifles. One pull per shot.

When grieving parents say something like "assault rifles are being used to massacre our children far too often," the least useful response in the entire goddamned world is "actually that's a carbine."

 

[Jean-s]

Wow, you're unironically talking down to people who aren't as privileged as you.

I don't know what you mean by using the word "unironically".

 

[independentusa]

Right, of course not. Progressives seem to believe themselves and their policies to be infallible. They are wrong, of course, but it's what they seem to believe.

So you think that Covid is a valid excuse for this guy killing 10 people. If you have no self control, you should not own a fire arm, it is as simple as that. And if we had locked sown and everyone wore masks maybe some of the 550 thousand people who have died from Covid might be around to buy a gun.

 

[independentusa]

When grieving parents say something like "assault rifles are being used to massacre our children far too often," the least useful response in the entire goddamned world is "actually that's a carbine."

Call it what you want, it still is able to kill multiple people in a very short time. The name you place in the weapon makes no difference when it is pointed at you.

 

[Buckeyes85]

anti gun=desiring more restrictions on what gun owners can legally do today

If my state passes additional traffic laws, are they anti car?
Is it not possible that even those who like guns and support private gun ownership might be in favor of some restrictions that aren't in place now? Are they some how for guns and anti gun at the same time?

 

[aociswundumho]

The presence of firearms in America appears to have a much greater negative effect than positive. In 60+ years, the people I've known who have died by gun had nothing to do with self protection or defending the Constitution. In Minneapolis back in the 1970's, a friend was shot in their home, in their bed, specifically to murder them; it's a cold case that was back-burnered after ballistics traced the murder weapon to a policeman's gun that was reported stolen a few months prior. A home weapon would not have helped since the victim was shot in their sleep.

Another friend was shot in the head and died putting his mistakenly-left-loaded 22 rifle into the trunk of his car butt first when going varmint hunting; he was only 16. Another school buddy pulled off both barrels of a 12 gauge shotgun with the business end jammed against the roof of his mouth. A work associate did the same with a 44 revolver sitting in his car in the parking lot where we worked.

As a gun owner, I have never even so much as grabbed a gun with the intent of protecting home or body against a perpetrator, but I did once use my wife's 22 pump to dispatch a skunk that juiced our dog one night and decided to make a stand in our yard - it was a handy way to eliminate the problem, but we could have probably scared it away with a pan and a spoon. Would have saved myself some digging too...

The bold is completely false. You have to consider the hundreds of thousands of times per year guns are used defensively, not just your own personal anecdotes.

Gun laws were written in vastly different times and involved vastly cruder weapons. In modern society, guns are way more negative for the general population than beneficial. The entire firearm concept needs revamped or the negatives will continue to dwarf the positives.

Racism is the origin of gun control laws. The modern progressive and a white slaver in the 1800s both wanted on the state to determine who may own firearms and who may not.

 

[eohrnberger]

So you think that Covid is a valid excuse for this guy killing 10 people. If you have no self control, you should not own a fire arm, it is as simple as that.

Please re-read my post. Here, so you don't have to go searching for it:

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Yeah I wonder about that contributing factor as well. Could also have been a contributing factor to the Florida Spring Breakers going a bit out of control.​

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I did not post "Covid is a valid excuse for this guy killing 10 people", I posted wondering how much of the stresses of lock-down might have been a contributing factor.

And if we had locked sown and everyone wore masks maybe some of the 550 thousand people who have died from Covid might be around to buy a gun.

Again, you leap to a conclusion that I hadn't made, but clearly you wished that I had made.

Rather disingenuous for you to contort what I actually posted into what you wished I posted.

 

[Deuce]

The bold is completely false. You have to consider the hundreds of thousands of times per year guns are used defensively, not just your own personal anecdotes.



Racism is the origin of gun control laws. The modern progressive and a white slaver in the 1800s both wanted on the state to determine who may own firearms and who may not.

Lol more right wing concern trolling and race baiting.