Is it time to ban the open carry of assault rifles?

[TurtleDude]

The AAR15 is the civilian version of an assault rifle, not the military version which is either the M16 or the M4. In the past just seven mass shooting using a version of the AR15, these killers were able to kill 160 people or about 23 deaths per mass hooting with the different versions of the AR15.

the AR 15 is by far the most popular civilian centerfire rifle for many reasons

Millions of men and thousands of women were trained on the military M16 and have a fair amount of familiarity with the rifle. So when people buy rifles for their own private use, they tend to buy stuff they know how to strip down, and in many cases, maintain

Due to economies of scale and similarity of parts-magazines, and other parts for the AR 15 are cheaper and far easier to obtain than for similar functioning rifles such as the AR 70 (Beretta) the Steyr AUG, the Arsenal SL-106 and so forth

Many gunsmiths learned their trade working for the US Military and have a great deal of expertise on repairing, customizing or improving the function of the AR 15. this too contributes to their popularity.

Anti gun yappers constantly tell the public that the AR 15 is the weapon for mass shootings and this is another reason why more of them are used than say FNCs, FN-FALs or HK 93s

 

[TurtleDude]

I bet you are one of those who think that the deaths in these mass shootings is the price others have to pay of unlimited guns. I think that people that think that are as responsible for the mass shootings as those who pull the trigger, as they allow them easy access to the kinds of weapons that allow these shooters to not only kill many at one time, but often to outgun the police who often arrive at the scene with only hand guns. And even Scalia once said that reasonable gun laws are allowed under the 2nd Amendment, even by the Feds.

that's moronic and I think you dislike gun owners due to our politics and want to punish us with stupid gun control laws that won't deter mass murders. Scalia was talking about those who lost their rights to KBA through due process and banning weapons of mass destruction such as grenades and so forth. IN a later opinion that he joined in, he stated that semi auto rifles were clearly protected by HELLER. You want a society where honest citizens are handicapped by stupid gun laws that criminals-by definition-will not follow

 

[aociswundumho]

Police mostly carry handguns, and dash mounted short barreled 12 gages, but yes, they do sometimes have AR style rifles, mostly in specialized units. Why, because they can be effective at killing lots of people in a short time (i.e. not a legit civilian purpose).

If the cops are using them for self-defense, then why shouldn't civilians have them as well? Or is the life of a government agent more valuable?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

You are right is saying there are more guns than people, and yet over 30% of all homes have none. You are also right that the government will never confiscate weapons already in the hands of civilians, so that is why open carry of such weapons should be banned. If yo uwant them for hunting or self defense there is no reason to lug them with you in a store when a hand gun will do as well for self defense. By allowing open carry you are saying, go ahead and kill as many as you want and we will only stop you once you have murdered a bunch of people because it is your right to do so.

You misunderstand my post. I wasn’t addressing open carry of long guns.

I was addressing the notion of attempting to put Americans at further risk by limiting them to firearms from the 18th century, while bad guys hang on to their 20th century firearms.

As for open carry of long arms as some weird display of power, I’m against it. I can think of no logical reason for anyone to grab their AR for a trip to the grocery store.

 

[TurtleDude]

If the cops are using them for self-defense, then why shouldn't civilians have them as well? Or is the life of a government agent more valuable?

two things at play=-those who are anti gun often are anti police so you see an interesting dichotomy but then again, many anti gunners worship government. It mainly is based on how these anti gun advocates perceive how gun owners vote

 

[AGENT J]

People say it is my right to open carry my assault rifle, I do not think it is. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater, rights outlined in the Constitution are not limitless. The problem with open carry of assault rifles is that someone planning a mass shooting like happened today i Boulder, Co, can legally carry such a weapon into a shopping center and no one can no and just open fire. Gun proponents say it is the cost of freedom and continue to say it until someone in their own family is killed. And now the milita's are using such weapons to intimidate our government officials. And it is now,as can be seen in Georgia, easier to buy a gun than to vote. If a person really believes it is necessary to carry for protection, then do it both concealed and a hand gun. I know that i am tired of constantly seeing mass killings on the tube and not all of them are shown. there were over 400 last year alson and we had close to 40,000 guns deaths last year. Interesting that we have had over 1.9 million gun deaths in this country in the past 50 years, but just over 1,200 proven cases of voter fraud,

Couple things . . . .first Im fine with common-sense gun laws but I hate the term assault rifle because its mostly used wrong and always reminds me of this meme . .



Next Ill need more info because I could support this

If you are talking about banning the open carry of semi-auto rifles I probably won't be on board, why and how that actually makes people safer, doesn't punish law-abiding citizens and doesn't empower criminals.

 

[NolanVoyd]

None sense. That also makes them good self defense weapons.

N9, that makes them terrible self defense weapons. Do you really want to shoot a bunch of rounds that can Pentwater walls in your own house or nieghborhood?

Think about it.

 

[NolanVoyd]

If the cops are using them for self-defense, then why shouldn't civilians have them as well? Or is the life of a government agent more valuable?

The cops don't use them for self defense. That is what their side arm and dash mounted shotguns are for. Ar's are not used in regular police work. Special units do have them for certain situations.

 

[trouble13]

People say it is my right to open carry my assault rifle, I do not think it is. Like yelling fire in a crowded theater, rights outlined in the Constitution are not limitless. The problem with open carry of assault rifles is that someone planning a mass shooting like happened today i Boulder, Co, can legally carry such a weapon into a shopping center and no one can no and just open fire. Gun proponents say it is the cost of freedom and continue to say it until someone in their own family is killed. And now the milita's are using such weapons to intimidate our government officials. And it is now,as can be seen in Georgia, easier to buy a gun than to vote. If a person really believes it is necessary to carry for protection, then do it both concealed and a hand gun. I know that i am tired of constantly seeing mass killings on the tube and not all of them are shown. there were over 400 last year alson and we had close to 40,000 guns deaths last year. Interesting that we have had over 1.9 million gun deaths in this country in the past 50 years, but just over 1,200 proven cases of voter fraud,

Or is it time to end the covid restrictions? People are snapping into homicidal rages. Maybe we should rethink the policy of forcing people to be on home arrest for over a year.

 

[eohrnberger]

Or is it time to end the covid restrictions? People are snapping into homicidal rages. Maybe we should rethink the policy of forcing people to be on home arrest for over a year.

Yeah I wonder about that contributing factor as well. Could also have been a contributing factor to the Florida Spring Breakers going a bit out of control.

 

[trouble13]

Yeah I wonder about that contributing fact as well. Could also have been a contributing factor to the Florida Spring Breakers going a bit out of control.

Its a taboo topic because no Progressives ever want to talk about the harm their policies are causing.

 

[Excast]

So many disingenuous posts in so little time.

The reality is that time and time again, it's the same story. A white man who had no business owning any gun, let alone an AR-15, nevertheless getting his hands on one and killing large numbers of people.

You can make all of the cute posts you want about assault ratchets or Covid lockdowns being responsible (!? As if mass shootings are a new phenomenon), but that doesn't do much for the new families who will join the countless others who have had their lives permanently altered for the worst because America is addicted to easy access to weapons that don't belong in the hands of civilians.

Like most social change, this will eventually come about as well. It will take time and the usual suspects who are always counted to stand in the way will do their best, but they will fail.

 

[Excast]

Its a taboo topic because no Progressives ever want to talk about the harm their policies are causing.

Were you born last year or something?

Because I am not sure how anyone expecting to be taken remotely seriously could pretend that Covid lockdowns are responsible for mass shootings. This has been a plague for a generation now.

 

[independentusa]

that's moronic and I think you dislike gun owners due to our politics and want to punish us with stupid gun control laws that won't deter mass murders. Scalia was talking about those who lost their rights to KBA through due process and banning weapons of mass destruction such as grenades and so forth. IN a later opinion that he joined in, he stated that semi auto rifles were clearly protected by HELLER. You want a society where honest citizens are handicapped by stupid gun laws that criminals-by definition-will not follow

Actually I have no problem with people carrying hand guns for self defense, but they should be concealed. You ask why, because some people use open carry as a means of intimidation. And as far as using Ar15's for home defense, they are useless, shotguns are much better. low loads for shotguns so they do not penetrate walls if shooting at an intruder and hurt a family member on the other side of the walls as would an AR15.

 

[eohrnberger]

Its a taboo topic because no Progressives ever want to talk about the harm their policies are causing.

Right, of course not. Progressives seem to believe themselves and their policies to be infallible. They are wrong, of course, but it's what they seem to believe.

 

[trouble13]

Were you born last year or something?

Because I am not sure how anyone expecting to be taken remotely seriously could pretend that Covid lockdowns are responsible for mass shootings. This has been a plague for a generation now.

mass murder and mental illness has been around longer than guns

 

[Wayne Jr]

Is it time to ban the open carry of assault rifles?

How would you carry them concealed tho?

 

[Wayne Jr]

I see no reason for the general public to have ANY kind of automatic weapon...

They've been banned since 1987 so IDK what you're worried about.

 

[Buckeyes85]

two things at play=-those who are anti gun often are anti police so you see an interesting dichotomy but then again, many anti gunners worship government. It mainly is based on how these anti gun advocates perceive how gun owners vote

Since you keep using the term "anti gun" what exactly do mean by that?
Also did I understand a prior post to suggest that AR 15's are used more often in shootings because the media and anti gun folks talk about them?

 

[Excast]

mass murder and mental illness has been around longer than guns

Great.

How often do you see large numbers of people being murdered with things other than guns?

 

[Schism]

Implementing your nonsensical solution would be virtually impossible. Currently, there are more firearms in the hands of American civilians than than the country’s total population, and the vast majority of those firearms do not fall into your “approved” list.

Confiscating “unapproved” firearms from law abiding citizens would actually benefit bad guys, many of whom possess illegally purchased firearms and will not relinquish them.

Absurd on it’s face.

Nothing can be done! America MUST continue to manufacture and produce assault weapons. It cannot be stopped!

 

[Wayne Jr]

They are killing machines that have no business in average joe citizens hands.

Justifiable homicide is a thing that exists. You're going to have to come to terms with that on your own.

 

[TurtleDude]

The cops don't use them for self defense. That is what their side arm and dash mounted shotguns are for. Ar's are not used in regular police work. Special units do have them for certain situations.

that's silly and not supported by facts

 

[TurtleDude]

Nothing can be done! America MUST continue to manufacture and produce assault weapons. It cannot be stopped!

its what the constitution requires. why do gun banners call semi auto rifles "assault weapons" when they lack the specific feature that makes them useful for military assault operations?

 

[Wayne Jr]

Great.

How often do you see large numbers of people being murdered with things other than guns?

Fast food. Preventable medical mistakes. Airline crashes. Covid. I see it all the time.