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Is it EVER safe to drink and drive?

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In time for the holidays....do you think it's ever safe to drink and drive? How about just one drink? Or just two? How many is too many?

If you're the passenger, would you refuse to ride with someone who is acting normally but you knew had had two drinks in the space of an hour or so?
 
No it is not, no matter how much you had to drink, period.
 
For me, it's one drink only. If I have two, which is rare, I wait a few hours before driving.
 
Well imagine you are at a party drinking and having a good time. Suddenly a pack of voracious velociraptors burst in. I think it would probably be safer to jump in your car and drive away than to stay there and become dino dinner.
 
In my experience dealing with drunk drivers if you're in the .1 or below you're probably not much of a threat on the road. By .12 you probably shouldn't be driving and by .15 you're a definite danger to yourself and others.
 
I've always lived by the American Express guidelines concerning booze in a vehicle..... "Don't leave home without it" .... Nothing better than a calming alcoholic beverage when stuck in a traffic jam. A Scotch on the rocks, Blues music on the jukebox.... redefines 'crawling along' in traffic.

Oh, and Jack Daniels certainly improves one's agility and bravado for those times when schedule is important and the need to change drivers of a 35' bus arises; while traveling a two lane Texas roadway at 70 mph.

Yessiree, AMEX has it right.

:mrgreen:

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Depends upon what you define as a "drink"

one beer, no problem for most people. one shot of hard liquor, wait 30 minutes,

anything more I will not ride with someone. when I'm at home with friends I require all guests to deposit their keys if they have more then one drink,
 
I think the current guidelines for DUI are a bit unjust. Recklessness is recklessness and has nothing to do with your BAC. A guy who had 2 drinks, has a BAC of .081, is driving responsibly, and is only caught due to a checkpoint is not someone I'm concerned about.
 
My rule is to wait a number of hours equal to however many drinks I had -1 before driving.

So I feel safe driving immediately after one drink. After two I'd wait at least an hour before driving, after three at least two hours, etc.

I have a pretty good handle on my alcohol tolerance, and rarely drink enough these days that I'd be over the legal limit to begin with.
 
I think it is greatly dependent on an individual's alcohol tolerance.

Mine is very low (since I very rarely test it), and thus I prefer to wait a bit after even one drink.
 
Nope, not at all. What I find utterly detestable are the number of legal commercials I hear on the radio saying they can get you off. The point isn't to get off of a charge, it's not to drive drunk in the first place.
 
Depends on the person. I got out to eat with my wife and have a beer, I am fine. At no point am I even SLIGHTLY buzzed after one beer. Well, as long as it's not some stomach bomber 12 abv beer...which I can't stand anyway.


We're focusing on the wrong detail, kinda like how gun control advocates focus on the wrong detail. We fixated on number of drinks, and what we NEED to worry about is attitude and focus behind the wheel. I can have a plate of pasta with my wife and a beer, heck even two beers, and drive home without incident. I've done it thousands of times, and will do it thousands more. Then again, I can go hard at work all day, skip lunch, and then turn DOWN an invite out to the bar after, because I KNOW that one drink will get me feeling too good to drive.

What are we trying to prevent? Drunk driving? No. We're trying to prevent traffic accidents, due to reckless driving. Now, obviously, booze plays a factor there. But never forget the goal, never fixate on the one, wrong, detail.
 
If safety is defined as the absence of risk then it is never safe to drive at all. That being said, there are legal limits established for BAC while driving and one should never exceed them. Anyone consuming more than one drink per hour runs a significant risk of exceeding those legal BAC limits.
 
If safety is defined as the absence of risk then it is never safe to drive at all. That being said, there are legal limits established for BAC while driving and one should never exceed them. Anyone consuming more than one drink per hour runs a significant risk of exceeding those legal BAC limits.

What about bacardi 151?
 
What about bacardi 151?

The term one drink applies to 12 ounces of beer, at about 5% alcohol by volume (a.b.v.), 5 ounces of wine (12% a.b.v.) or a single shot of liquor (40% a.b.v) so that shot of Bicardi 151 counts as 2 drinks. It is the amount of alcohol consumed in a serving that matters not what particular beverage delivers that alcohol. A typical Long Island Iced Tea is not "one drink" even if it is one serving - it is four drinks.

Long Island Iced Tea Recipe : Food Network
 
Not in America, no. The reason being that people aren't allowed to legally drink until age 21. The drunk driving fatality rate is lower in countries that have alcohol fully integrated into the social culture, including families. I grew up having beer at dinner with my family (not as much as the adults though, obviously). By the time I was legal drinking age I knew my limit like the back of my hand. Most people have to go through the whole alcoholic rite of passage once they turn 21, and they start learning their limits at a time in their lives when they are being given way more responsibility to deal with, which makes the drinking dangerous. Like with guns, teaching young people responsible alcohol use goes a long way to avoiding accidents.

I agree wholeheartedly with drunk driving laws. However, activists like MADD have driven the State to encroach upon people's freedoms far too steeply, in the name of "safety". They can call in search warrants for you car on the side of the road now, with no appeal. And people who are found guilty of drunk driving, their lives are ruined. Punishments are not proportional to the crimes themselves.

When you consider that people drive while on prescription medications and other alterants that aren't detectable with breathalyzers, the way alcohol laws are enforced is pretty tyrannical.
 
Never drink and drive, because if you hit a bump you might spill your beverage.
 
In time for the holidays....do you think it's ever safe to drink and drive? How about just one drink? Or just two? How many is too many?

If you're the passenger, would you refuse to ride with someone who is acting normally but you knew had had two drinks in the space of an hour or so?

If I have any alcohol I do not drive... period.
 
When driving a tractor out in the field it is OK to have as much to drink as yo uwant...
 
Not in America, no. The reason being that people aren't allowed to legally drink until age 21. The drunk driving fatality rate is lower in countries that have alcohol fully integrated into the social culture, including families. I grew up having beer at dinner with my family (not as much as the adults though, obviously). By the time I was legal drinking age I knew my limit like the back of my hand. Most people have to go through the whole alcoholic rite of passage once they turn 21, and they start learning their limits at a time in their lives when they are being given way more responsibility to deal with, which makes the drinking dangerous. Like with guns, teaching young people responsible alcohol use goes a long way to avoiding accidents.

I agree wholeheartedly with drunk driving laws. However, activists like MADD have driven the State to encroach upon people's freedoms far too steeply, in the name of "safety". They can call in search warrants for you car on the side of the road now, with no appeal. And people who are found guilty of drunk driving, their lives are ruined. Punishments are not proportional to the crimes themselves.

When you consider that people drive while on prescription medications and other alterants that aren't detectable with breathalyzers, the way alcohol laws are enforced is pretty tyrannical.

The punishment is starting to get out of hand. We're pretty lenient here in AZ but a first time arrest with a BAC between .08 and .1 will cost you at least 24hrs in jail, $4000 in fines and fees, a suspended license and maybe a month or so of counseling. If you're an average wage slave you'll be totally screwed unless your employer has some kind of soft spot.

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I almost forgot. That cost is WITHOUT a lawyer. If you add a lawyer you can count on $10k
 
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When driving a tractor out in the field it is OK to have as much to drink as yo uwant...
Actually many of the tasks you do while driving a tractor out in a field require you follow a reasonably straight line.

Plowing? Yep.
Planting? Yep.
Weeding and/or spraying? Yep.
Harvesting? Yep.

In fact the only thing that comes to mind as not really needing straight lines (although they help save time) is secondary tilling (as in, using a disk harrow or other tool to break up the large chunks of soil after plowing a field).
 
Actually many of the tasks you do while driving a tractor out in a field require you follow a reasonably straight line.

Plowing? Yep.
Planting? Yep.
Weeding and/or spraying? Yep.
Harvesting? Yep.

In fact the only thing that comes to mind as not really needing straight lines (although they help save time) is secondary tilling (as in, using a disk harrow or other tool to break up the large chunks of soil after plowing a field).

You obviously don't drive the tractor drunk through your own field...
 
You obviously don't drive the tractor drunk through your own field...
Well actually that was years ago on my dad's farm, growing up.

That said, I didn't need help from alcohol to hit things with tractors...
 
Well actually that was years ago on my dad's farm, growing up.

That said, I didn't need help from alcohol to hit things with tractors...

Me either... those things are huge.
 
In time for the holidays....do you think it's ever safe to drink and drive? How about just one drink? Or just two? How many is too many?

If you're the passenger, would you refuse to ride with someone who is acting normally but you knew had had two drinks in the space of an hour or so?

I seldom drink out of the house when not combined with a meal -- in fact, I can't remember the last time I did so. Two drinks before dinner, eat dinner including coffee and dessert? I'll drive home -- unless the weather is bad. That's probably a span of 2 to 2-1/2 hours...
 
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