Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

[jamesrage]

You didn't answer the question. If Bush ordered our troops to invade Canada tomorrow because the Canadian foreign minister called him a mean name, would you "support our troops"? Yes or no?

If you would, would you support the invasion?

If you would not, why do you hate America?

I would support our troops no matter what country they invaded and their mission.No offense to any Canadians but if it came down to your country or mine I am going to root for my country.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Considering the past behavior of people who did not support the mission of our troops I would have to say it is bold face lie to sit there and say you support the troops but not their mission.If you are against he war how can you sit there and say you support the troops when the troops are doing the very thing that you are against?That would be like saying you are against Abortion but at the same time you give money to planned parenthood.

Sorry but I think your analogy is completely false! The "mission" is not the choice of the soldiers, it is Bush's war. The soldiers follow orders and do one helluva good job at it. If it were the soldiers dictating policy that would be different, but they don't, Bush does.

Therefore it is quite simple to support our troops but to be against the mission they are engaged in.

It is ridiculous, foolish and yes, ignorant to be unable to understand that the mission is wrong but the people ordered to partake in it are our loved ones.

For example, do you think Caine does not support his fellow soldiers? Is that what you believe and what you want this Forum to believe? NONSENSE!

 

[Kandahar]

I would support our troops no matter what country they invaded and their mission.No offense to any Canadians but if it came down to your country or mine I am going to root for my country.

So "my country, right or wrong," huh? That's a dangerous mentality...but then, you've always been a scary fellow. That's the same mentality that kept the Japanese going during WWII long after they had lost the battles...that's the same mentality that rallies Iranians around the flag of a regime that they hate today.

 

[jamesrage]

Sorry but I think your analogy is completely false! The "mission" is not the choice of the soldiers, it is Bush's war. The soldiers follow orders and do one helluva good job at it. If it were the soldiers dictating policy that would be different, but they don't, Bush does.

It is the choice of the soldiers,marines and other service men to join the military,so the analogy is correct.How successful or unsuccessful they are at their mission determines how long they will be there.SO when degenerate hippies where here in the states demonizing our troops in Vietnam and their mission they undermined the troops and caused them to fail at their mission,just like the degenerate scum of today.

Therefore it is quite simple to support our troops but to be against the mission they are engaged in.

The troops joined the military out of their own free will,no one was drafted.If they did not want to go to war for reasons that they do not agree with then they should not have joined the military in the first place,You would think with Bosnia,Vietnam and other similar conflicts and wars that there is going to be a chance that by signing up with the military you would be going to a war zone in a place that you do not agree with.

It is ridiculous, foolish and yes, ignorant to be unable to understand that the mission is wrong but the people ordered to partake in it are our loved ones.

For example, do you think Caine does not support his fellow soldiers? Is that what you believe and what you want this Forum to believe? NONSENSE!

Caine is misguided.As long as Caine is in the military he has to support the mission whether he likes it or not,if he did not want to support the mission then he should not have joined the military and he has no right to bitch and moan for going to a war that he disagrees with.

 

[jamesrage]

So "my country, right or wrong," huh? That's a dangerous mentality...but then, you've always been a scary fellow. That's the same mentality that kept the Japanese going during WWII long after they had lost the battles...that's the same mentality that rallies Iranians around the flag of a regime that they hate today.

It is also the same mentality that kept Americans back then loyal to their country during WWI and WWII.Rat journalist did not try to demonize soldiers who fired weapons into villages,nor did rat journalist blab secrets to the the soviets.

 

[Kandahar]

It is also the same mentality that kept Americans back then loyal to their country during WWI and WWII.

No, Americans supported their country during those wars because they believed that their country was morally in the right. Not because they placed allegiance to their country above everything else, including moral values.

Rat journalist did not try to demonize soldiers who fired weapons into villages,nor did rat journalist blab secrets to the the soviets.

Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I would support our troops no matter what country they invaded and their mission.No offense to any Canadians but if it came down to your country or mine I am going to root for my country.

Then you are truly the worst kind of patriot. You care not if your country is just, or in the right. You would support the worst kind of America, even one that would sacrifice its founding ideals.

Do you have any concern for our constitution, civil rights, or having a country one can be proud of?

 

[jamesrage]

No, Americans supported their country during those wars because they believed that their country was morally in the right. Not because they placed allegiance to their country above everything else, including moral values.

Americans were loyal to this country back then and they were very loyal considering the fact Americans died by the thousands each day in those wars..

 

[jamesrage]

Then you are truly the worst kind of patriot. You care not if your country is just, or in the right. You would support the worst kind of America, even one that would sacrifice its founding ideals.

Do you have any concern for our constitution, civil rights, or having a country one can be proud of?

Constitutional rights do not extend to other countries.And what does our constitution have to do with the US invading Canada or some other country?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Americans were loyal to this country back then and they were very loyal considering the fact Americans died by the thousands each day in those wars..

There is a distinction between "Loyal to a just country for a reason" and "My country right or wrong."

If you can't see it... well that wouldn't be a shocker.

Constitutional rights do not extend to other countries.And what does our constitution have to do with the US invading Canada or some other country?

Unjust invasion and occupation run counter to the ideal of liberty. And patriotism is defending the constitution from all enemies (foreign or domestic.) Thats the relevance. If you think being patriotic includes sacrificing the constitution and the very ideals this country was founded on, simply because you're loyal to the current administration (right or wrong), you are a false patriot.

Sure constitutional rights don't extend. It would be quite presumptuous of us to tell sovereign nations what rights their citizens have. However, it is clearly a part of our nation's ideology that ALL men are born with these rights, whether or not they fight for and secure them. And also that in our struggle for liberty, we advance the global cause for it.

And also, the constitution outlines under whos authority we may "invade Canada or some other country." It is quite relevant, and to ignore its rules because "my country right or wrong wanted to" is to render some of the constitution meaningless.

 

[MSgt]

Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

Yes and no. It depends on who is saying it. For some it is a lie merely dipped in political correctness. For others it is a comfortable line that allows them to defy his mission. Those that aren't lying are merely fooling themselves.

I don't know any troop that feels "supported" by a civilian who detests his deeds. How exactly does a person support someone but not what they do? Perhaps, being on the other side, I just don't get it. It's dishonest protesting.

 

[Gibberish]

Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

Yes and no. It depends on who is saying it. For some it is a lie merely dipped in political correctness. For others it is a comfortable line that allows them to defy his mission. Those that aren't lying are merely fooling themselves.

I don't know any troop that feels "supported" by a civilian who detests his deeds. How exactly does a person support someone but not what they do? Perhaps, being on the other side, I just don't get it. It's dishonest protesting.

The statement itself is foolish. I support the troops and I wish them success and safety in completing the mission and I think the mission is good. However, I feel the operation of the mission is currently flawed, though it seems to have a promising outlook in the future.

If I do not agree with some of the decisions that are made to complete the mission does that mean I do not support the mission or the troops?

 

[doughgirl]

NavyPride said, "Thank God you Liberals were not in charge when the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor and things were not going well........You would have probably wanted to cut and run then too........."

Amen and thank you for saying that Navy.

How can you support someone who is doing what you believe to be morally wrong?

I don't see how you can. That doesnt mean you hate the person or persons.

I gave this example once. My daughters friend was going to get an abortion. I am opposed to abortion. My daughter knows how spiritual I am and asked me to go with her friend to sit and wait for her and help her after it was over. I said I would help all I could... should she need help after, but I would not go with her. My feelings for her have not changed oned bit although in my heart I knew what she was doing.
We have to stand up for what we believe. And to say that you support the troops yet hate their mission......for me does not make sense.

You cant support something your against.

 

[Navy Pride]

Exactly!

Navy and his ilk think that "supporting the troops" means waving a flag and chastising anyone who criticizes the ineptitude behind this ill-conceived agenda of Rumsfield and Cheney.

They think that "supporting the troops" means using catch phrases like "Mom, God and Apple Pie" while supporting the erosion of American freedoms and values.

They think that words of "support" are more important than equipment and body armor.

They think that patriotism is talking the talk......"staying the course"......marching "together forward".....blindly.......

They give more support and credibility to a failed "leader" than they do to the generals who are on the ground fighting the battle.


Save me your "support" in words only.

Living only a few miles from the Fort Lewis Army Post I talk to returning Stryker division troops from Iraq on a regular basis........It is a fact that they are both democrat and republicans but the put aside their political beliefs because they believe strongly in completeing the mission in Iraq.......Its amazing........Unlike Caine they don't cut and run after one deployment.......They volunteer for second and third tours and reenlist while in country.............

I am never ceased to be amazed by these guys and their will to finish the job in spite of the left in this country like Kerry, Durbin, Murtha and Kennedy constantly putting them down............

 

[Navy Pride]

Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

Yes and no. It depends on who is saying it. For some it is a lie merely dipped in political correctness. For others it is a comfortable line that allows them to defy his mission. Those that aren't lying are merely fooling themselves.

I don't know any troop that feels "supported" by a civilian who detests his deeds. How exactly does a person support someone but not what they do? Perhaps, being on the other side, I just don't get it. It's dishonest protesting.

I couldn't agree more Gunny......Lets not kid ourselves all these people that say they support the troops and not their mission its about their hatred for thiis president...............They would never give him credit for any accomplishment.......

 

[Navy Pride]

The statement itself is foolish. I support the troops and I wish them success and safety in completing the mission and I think the mission is good. However, I feel the operation of the mission is currently flawed, though it seems to have a promising outlook in the future.

If I do not agree with some of the decisions that are made to complete the mission does that mean I do not support the mission or the troops?

Well you are saying something completely different from you liberal buddies.......

 

[MSgt]

The statement itself is foolish. I support the troops and I wish them success and safety in completing the mission and I think the mission is good. However, I feel the operation of the mission is currently flawed, though it seems to have a promising outlook in the future.

If I do not agree with some of the decisions that are made to complete the mission does that mean I do not support the mission or the troops?

This doesn't exactly fall in line with the intent of what I meant. The majority of all service men (all that I know) disagreed with the Rumsfeld incompetence from day one. The military was provided with the bare minimum of troop strength (horrible error that could have resulted in disaster) and "Occupation: 101" was thrown completely out the window.

We did a very good thing - liberating Iraqis and attempting to give this region some direction - very very badly. My remarks were more on the theme of the thread and the mission, not the day to day conduct of it.

 

[Hatuey]

This administration has a new SoD and is evaluationg new plans for victory. Who is staying the course?

The administration has no plans. Why do you think people like you constantly ask the democrats : Well whats your plan? They never thought anything like this would happen after Sadam fell. Their original play went something like this :

- Start a war.
- Topple Dictator
- Spread democracy on the region
- Wait for the ME to send us oil as a thank you gift.

Quite a generalization. Who are you claiming does this?

Shalom New York

Your opinion, but, thankfully, not the opinion of the commander-in-chief. Jealousy sucks, doesn't it?

With all due respect the president knows jack **** about the war. He knows what people put in his cue cards.

 

[Kandahar]

Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

Yes and no. It depends on who is saying it. For some it is a lie merely dipped in political correctness. For others it is a comfortable line that allows them to defy his mission. Those that aren't lying are merely fooling themselves.

I don't know any troop that feels "supported" by a civilian who detests his deeds. How exactly does a person support someone but not what they do? Perhaps, being on the other side, I just don't get it. It's dishonest protesting.

So would you "support our troops" if our president sent them on a mission to conquer Canada, because the Canadian foreign minister called him a nasty name?

 

[Navy Pride]

So would you "support our troops" if our president sent them on a mission to conquer Canada, because the Canadian foreign minister called him a nasty name?

That is the second time you brought up that stupid example........That would be considered and unlawful order and no military person is required to carry it out.............

Much to the sorrow of you and other people on the left this President has not given any unlawful orders........

 

[Kandahar]

That is the second time you brought up that stupid example........That would be considered and unlawful order

Why is it unlawful? The President is commander-in-chief and can pretty much attack whomever he wants.

and no military person is required to carry it out.............

Really? So soldiers are free to disobey orders that they personally deem to be unlawful?

Much to the sorrow of you and other people on the left this President has not given any unlawful orders........

It's a hypothetical question. Forget about Bush if you want, and imagine some hypothetical future president declaring war on Canada because the Canadian foreign minister call him a nasty name. Would you "support our troops"?

 

[MSgt]

So would you "support our troops" if our president sent them on a mission to conquer Canada, because the Canadian foreign minister called him a nasty name?

*Sigh*.....and why would an American President send the military into Canada because he was called a nasty name? Is there any incident in history where an American President sent the military abroad to kill because his feelings were hurt?

Trying to compare a real world issue with a trivial rediculous "what if" doesn't cut it. There is nothing as discouraging as being deployed and knowing that the same Americans that detest and loath what you are doing also support you. This PC slogan is meant to sooth the protestor..not comfort the troop.

"I hate this war and what you are doing, but here's a tooth brush and I support you." Makes no sense to us.

 

[Caine]

Unlike Caine they don't cut and run after one deployment.......

Well. this just proves how little you know of me.
Besides the fact that you are trying to bring personal attacks back into formidable debate.
For your information, I spent TWO deployments in Iraq. So STFU.

They volunteer for second and third tours and reenlist while in country.............

And I am proud of those who decide to do that. But I never intended to make a career out of the Army. I said the day I signed up that I would not be re-enlisting. I stuck to my word. My life is my life, and after I completed my obligation to the U.S. Government, I had every right to go on with doing what I wanted to do with my life. You only get one, Im not going to spend it doing something that I am not entirely happy with.
If you can't see the honor in that, there is something seriously wrong with you.

I am never ceased to be amazed by these guys and their will to finish the job in spite of the left in this country like Kerry, Durbin, Murtha and Kennedy constantly putting them down............

More pointless drivel.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I couldn't agree more Gunny......Lets not kid ourselves all these people that say they support the troops and not their mission its about their hatred for thiis president...............They would never give him credit for any accomplishment.......

Wrong...again...I would bet you that virtually 100% of the Democrats and Liberals in this Forum and in the USA supported President Bush when he had our forces invade Afghanistan. Wanna bet Navy Pride?

You're also confusing hate for Bush versus hate for Bush's policies. He is the worst President I've ever witnessed in my lifetime (50 years) and as a student of history the only 20th century President who comes close to being as awful was Herbert Hoover.

Bush's record speaks for itself as does his lack of accomplishments, his record of spreading death, his record of destroying the military (ask Colin Powell if the military is broken for example).

I hate what Bush stands for, very much so. I hate that Bush started a war on false pretense and to pursue a political agenda set forth by Neocons. I hate that under Bush's watch more American soldiers have now died in Iraq than on 9-11.

I did, however, support his invasion of Iraq. I also support his policies on immigration reform. I also supported him regarding the Dubai Ports World. So you see Navy Pride you're brash, baseless and inept portrayal of Liberals is again incorrect as you almost always are when you label people.

No doubt that Bush sucks as a President. No doubt in my mind that he is intellectually challenged and not up for this job. I realize you would never read "STATE OF DENIAL" but if you did you'd see how unintelligent Bush really is and how all but his inner circle of asslickers know this....but most people also say he's a good guy, friendly, funny a good dinner companion, none of which do I doubt...he's just one shitty, awful President....

 

[Hatuey]

"I hate this war and what you are doing, but here's a tooth brush and I support you." Makes no sense to us.

Whats wrong about hating the reasons our soldiers were sent to war for? Nobody is saying we hate our soldiers. Just the situation they're in. We dont agree with the things they do but we still hope they'll make it out alright.