Is It A Lie To Say You Support The Troops But Not Their Mission?

[CurrentAffairs]

Actually, totally false, not true, you're making it up, it's a lie. FDR was the epitome of a Liberal! Let's review what he did that make him a Liberal:

Invented Social Security

Created Gigantic Government Agencies to Create Jobs

Created Welfare programs giving money directly to citizens for the first time

Created the Wagner Act in 1935 allowing Unions to organize & bargain collectively.

Stimulated economy by utilizing Federal Government money (spending programs) that directly employed people who otherwise would be unemployed.

FDR resisted entry into WWII until 1941 preferring an Isolationist strategy until confronted with Pearl Harbor.

BTW - JFK was as Liberal then as his brother Teddy is TODAY. He was the LIBERAL PARTY nominee for President in 1960 and he said in a speech:

Navy Pride....try to stay focused here and read JFK's words before you write the same idiotic reply you regularly do about JFK, that he "cut taxes so he's not a Liberal" bullshit...read this as many times as necessary for you to comprehend the truth:


Source: Turn Left: What is a Liberal?

The last paragraph particularly underlines the difference between JFK as a Liberal and Bush as a NeoCon. They are polar opposites in the exact same way that I, as a 21st Century Liberal are with Bush, Navy Pride et al.

Looks to me like all of this ingormation proves Navy Pride right. The term liberal wasn't yet coined in the days of FDR but it was by the time JFK came along.


Champs, tell us why this is a point of contention anyway. Do you exist only to find fault with NP's posts?

 

[Navy Pride]

Of course one can support the troops but not their mission: the mission is not the troops, the troops are not the mission. Ask any mother whose child does things the mother doesn't like: does she still love the child? Generally, the answer is, "Yes, but I don't like what he/she is doing." People are not defined solely by their goals, nor by their jobs, nor by their level of accomplishment within those jobs or toward those goals.

So to deny that you can support the troops but not their mission is to deny that mothers love their wayward children. It is also to deny that one can "Love the sinner but hate the sin," another cliche that requires one to mentally separate the person from the actions.

So anyone who votes yes on this poll is a mother-hating anti-Christ. Shame on you.

The troops want to have a successful mission..............If you don't support that then you don't support the troops.........Its as simple as that........

 

[disneydude]

It has nothing to do with it...........Its about finishing the job we started in Iraq and not cutting and running when the going gets tough just becaue you hate President Bush........

Thank God you Liberals were not in charge when the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor and things were not going well........You would have probably wanted to cut and run then too.........:roll:

Supporting the troops does not mean standing blindly behind your President and rubberstamping everything he wants to do.

Supporting the troops does not mean stubbornly "staying the course" while hundreds of our brave men and women are being killed.

Supporting the troops does not mean hiding yourself wrapped up in waving the American flag and proclaiming patriotism in words but not in actions

Supporting the troops requires listening to what the generals on the ground are telling us....but most of all supporting the troops requires honesty and never asking those who voluntarily give their lives to die to further an agenda based on lies and deceit.

It is a lie to say that you support the troops if you support this inept and ill-conceived war. Support the troops bring them home as quickly as possible.

 

[Navy Pride]

I myself don't start any more polls because it has been proven that the results are flawed in that it is possible for Liberals to vote more then one time..........

 

[Navy Pride]

Supporting the troops does not mean standing blindly behind your President and rubberstamping everything he wants to do.

Supporting the troops does not mean stubbornly "staying the course" while hundreds of our brave men and women are being killed.

Supporting the troops does not mean hiding yourself wrapped up in waving the American flag and proclaiming patriotism in words but not in actions

Supporting the troops requires listening to what the generals on the ground are telling us....but most of all supporting the troops requires honesty and never asking those who voluntarily give their lives to die to further an agenda based on lies and deceit.

It is a lie to say that you support the troops if you support this inept and ill-conceived war. Support the troops bring them home as quickly as possible.

With left wingers like you and Champs its all about Bush hatred........No matter what he did you would never give him credit for it.........I have never seen hatred like you two have for one man......I myself did not like your hero Clinton but I did not hate him even though I think he disgraced the office of the presidency more then any president in history............Still I supported him in Bosnia/Kosovo and Haiti because I will always support our brave troops in harms way unlike Liberals like you and Champs........

 

[disneydude]

With left wingers like you and Champs its all about Bush hatred........No matter what he did you would never give him credit for it.........I have never seen hatred like you two have for one man

I've said it before but I'll say it again. I don't Hate GWB....in some ways I think he seems like a genuinely "nice" guy. But he is completely inept as President and he has driven this country to the brink of financial and moral bankruptcy. That doesn't mean I hate him...hell, I would love to buy him a drink.

......I myself did not like your hero Clinton but I did not hate him even though I think he disgraced the office of the presidency more then any president in history

You mean until your current President took office?
So much for restoring honor and integrity to the whitehouse....guess we'll have to wait for 2008.
and by the way....Navy....Clinton wasn't my "hero"....I really didn't like the guy when he took office. He eventually won me over and I think overall he was a good President. I think he did some bad things as a person and I feel that he did let done the Country and the Office with his indiscretions....but as a leader he was a good President in that role.

............Still I supported him in Bosnia/Kosovo and Haiti because I will always support our brave troops in harms way unlike Liberals like you and Champs........

But see..... Navy....this is where I don't get you. Supporting the troops is not the same as supporting whatever the President wants to do. Sometimes the only way to support the troops is by standing up for what is right when the leadership is wrong.

 

[Skip]

I myself don't start any more polls because it has been proven that the results are flawed in that it is possible for Liberals to vote more then one time..........

:rofl After your ulta-neocon poll choices were blown out of the water is when you stopped.

 

[Navy Pride]

I've said it before but I'll say it again. I don't Hate GWB....in some ways I think he seems like a genuinely "nice" guy. But he is completely inept as President and he has driven this country to the brink of financial and moral bankruptcy. That doesn't mean I hate him...hell, I would love to buy him a drink.



You mean until your current President took office?
So much for restoring honor and integrity to the whitehouse....guess we'll have to wait for 2008.
and by the way....Navy....Clinton wasn't my "hero"....I really didn't like the guy when he took office. He eventually won me over and I think overall he was a good President. I think he did some bad things as a person and I feel that he did let done the Country and the Office with his indiscretions....but as a leader he was a good President in that role.




But see..... Navy....this is where I don't get you. Supporting the troops is not the same as supporting whatever the President wants to do. Sometimes the only way to support the troops is by standing up for what is right when the leadership is wrong.

It is obvious you have never served in the military........I could say you ignorant on how the military works but I won't..........If you knew anything about the military you would know that President Bush is the Commander in Chief........He is the number 1 troop..........In every chain of command or organizational chart he is at the top...........

 

[Navy Pride]

:rofl After your ulta-neocon poll choices were blown out of the water is when you stopped.

Not quite, they were blown out of the water because Left wingers like you voted several times to skew the results.............

 

[CoffeeSaint]

The troops want to have a successful mission..............If you don't support that then you don't support the troops.........Its as simple as that........

So you didn't understand my point about the troops not being their mission? Or you don't agree? So if I had a son, who desperately wanted to be a heroin addict, I would have to support his wish to be a heroin addict in order to say I love my son?

What happened to "Love the sinner and hate the sin?" Why can't you separate the people from what they do?

 

[Skip]

Not quite, they were blown out of the water because Left wingers like you voted several times to skew the results.............

Sounds like someone's yelling "VOTER FRAUD" when "elections" don't go their way...

 

[disneydude]

It is obvious you have never served in the military........I could say you ignorant on how the military works but I won't..........If you knew anything about the military you would know that President Bush is the Commander in Chief........He is the number 1 troop..........In every chain of command or organizational chart he is at the top...........

THAT is truly scary. Blind adherence to the "Commander in Chief" is how the third Reich emerged. To say that you support the CIC in every case is about the most un-American, un-Patriotic thing that I can think of.

 

[Navy Pride]

Sounds like someone's yelling "VOTER FRAUD" when "elections" don't go their way...

Well several lefties admitted they voted in the polls more then once..........

Isn't it odd how you don't hear voter fraud or for recounts when democrats win.............:roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

THAT is truly scary. Blind adherence to the "Commander in Chief" is how the third Reich emerged. To say that you support the CIC in every case is about the most un-American, un-Patriotic thing that I can think of.

If that is your belief whatever but being a military person as a sailor or working for the government for 45 years I can tell you that is not the case.........

 

[Skip]

Well several lefties admitted they voted in the polls more then once..........

But it is impossible for any conservative to.

 

[disneydude]

If that is your belief whatever but being a military person as a sailor or working for the government for 45 years I can tell you that is not the case.........

Ok....so Navy....are you then saying that the Nazis were ok because they were just following their leader? Ok....Hitler was a bad guy and should be condemned...but the brave men and women of the German Military should escape condemnation and should actually be honored because of their unwaving support of their commander in chief?

If not.....how do you differentiate? And don't give us your typical...its apples/oranges cop-out. An honest response please.

 

[Navy Pride]

Ok....so Navy....are you then saying that the Nazis were ok because they were just following their leader? Ok....Hitler was a bad guy and should be condemned...but the brave men and women of the German Military should escape condemnation and should actually be honored because of their unwaving support of their commander in chief?

If not.....how do you differentiate? And don't give us your typical...its apples/oranges cop-out. An honest response please.

No not at all.....I wish you were a little more knowlegeable about the military...If you were you would not its against the UCMJ to obey and unlawful order and President Bush has given none of them..........

 

[Navy Pride]

But it is impossible for any conservative to.

I did not say that?

 

[Caine]

I myself don't start any more polls because it has been proven that the results are flawed in that it is possible for Liberals to vote more then one time..........

Yes, but it is somehow impossible for moderates and conservatives to vote multiple times isn't it Navy Pride?
:roll::roll::roll::roll:

 

[Caine]

It is obvious you have never served in the military........I could say you ignorant on how the military works but I won't..........If you knew anything about the military you would know that President Bush is the Commander in Chief........He is the number 1 troop..........In every chain of command or organizational chart he is at the top...........

And what makes you think that the troops are always 100% behind what their President wants to do?

They are required to follow orders, but what makes you think they personally agree with said orders?

Who says they aren't just doing what they are told?

Explain this to me Navy Pride.
Lets say someone sends letters and care packages and support and even talks to the troops when they aren't deployed by phone or in person. Would you say that this person supports the troops?

Now lets say that same person doesn't think the mission is worthy of sending American boys and girls to their death? Would this person suddenly NOT support the troops, just because they don't happen to agree with what these troops that they have a good relationship with are being ORDERED to do?

 

[disneydude]

Exactly!

Navy and his ilk think that "supporting the troops" means waving a flag and chastising anyone who criticizes the ineptitude behind this ill-conceived agenda of Rumsfield and Cheney.

They think that "supporting the troops" means using catch phrases like "Mom, God and Apple Pie" while supporting the erosion of American freedoms and values.

They think that words of "support" are more important than equipment and body armor.

They think that patriotism is talking the talk......"staying the course"......marching "together forward".....blindly.......

They give more support and credibility to a failed "leader" than they do to the generals who are on the ground fighting the battle.


Save me your "support" in words only.

 

[Caine]

They think that words of "support" are more important than equipment and body armor.

The body armor thing really isn't as big of an issue as its made out to be.

They give more support and credibility to a failed "leader" than they do to the generals who are on the ground fighting the battle.

Generals? Fight? BWUAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA. Being there, and fighting are two totally different things.
Hell, very little "fighting" goes on, most of what happens is random IED explosions or Sniper fire. Those ****ers don't have the balls to straight up fight us.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Supporting the troops does not mean standing blindly behind your President and rubberstamping everything he wants to do..

Quite a generalization. Who are you claiming does this?

Supporting the troops does not mean stubbornly "staying the course" while hundreds of our brave men and women are being killed..

This administration has a new SoD and is evaluationg new plans for victory. Who is staying the course?

Supporting the troops does not mean hiding yourself wrapped up in waving the American flag and proclaiming patriotism in words but not in actions.

Quite a generalization. Who are you claiming does this?

Supporting the troops requires listening to what the generals on the ground are telling us....but most of all supporting the troops requires honesty and never asking those who voluntarily give their lives to die to further an agenda based on lies and deceit..

Finally prove this accusation or shut up about it.

It is a lie to say that you support the troops if you support this inept and ill-conceived war. Support the troops bring them home as quickly as possible.

Your opinion, but, thankfully, not the opinion of the commander-in-chief. Jealousy sucks, doesn't it?

 

[Kandahar]

1. Only a liberal would make that comparison.......

2. I always support the troops and completing their mission no matter who the president is........These guys are just trying to do a job...........That is one thing you liberals and Bush haters will never understand......

You didn't answer the question. If Bush ordered our troops to invade Canada tomorrow because the Canadian foreign minister called him a mean name, would you "support our troops"? Yes or no?

If you would, would you support the invasion?

If you would not, why do you hate America?

 

[jamesrage]

I'm very tired or reading posts in this Forum that claim:

IT IS A LIE TO SAY YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT NOT THEIR MISSION​

Therefore a very simple poll question:

IS IT A LIE TO SAY YOU SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT NOT THEIR MISSION?​

Yes or No and Why?

Considering the past behavior of people who did not support the mission of our troops I would have to say it is bold face lie to sit there and say you support the troops but not their mission.If you are against he war how can you sit there and say you support the troops when the troops are doing the very thing that you are against?That would be like saying you are against Abortion but at the same time you give money to planned parenthood.