Once their time is served all rights and I mean all rights need to be restored to them.
First, let me say I have traditionally opposed felons having the right to vote. However, in 2012 with what seemed to ME to be deliberate efforts to create obstacles for certain people to vote based on how they are likely to vote, I began to ponder the legality to restrictions and hindrances to voting and the one man one vote concept. I might be missing something, admittedly, but I see nothing in the constitution that justifies stripping an an American citizen of their civil rights with the exception of involuntary servitude specifically limited to the duration of their sentance. This means, if I'm correct felons have a right to vote after their incarceration. I also believe, not based on any personal desire or agenda but objective understanding of what US citizenship affords, specifically equal protection under the law; felons currently incarcerated also have a right to vote no different than their rights to access to the courts.
Have fun responding.
The attorney leading the push for felons to get their voting rights back is former NAACP legal counsel Pamela Karlan of Stanford Law's faculty and a well known brilliant (btw she would have been a far better choice than Kagan for the USSC if you wanted a far left lesbian liberal-she's one of the 5-6 smartest people I know). At the Taft annual lecture at the local law school she said if felons could have voted in Florida, Al Gore would have won easily since the vast majority of felons support Democrats when and they vote.
I asked her if she was equally supportive of said felons being restored state and federal 2A rights as well. The evasion was priceless but since Professor Karlan doesn't believe that there is such an individual right I expected it
Dems only support that which gives more power. Personally I don't care how they vote. Once your no longer a prisoner all rights should be restored, Your rights are only taken from by due process during time as a guest of that state.
Dems only support that which gives more power. Personally I don't care how they vote. Once your no longer a prisoner all rights should be restored, Your rights are only taken from by due process during time as a guest of that state.
First, let me say I have traditionally opposed felons having the right to vote. However, in 2012 with what seemed to ME to be deliberate efforts to create obstacles for certain people to vote based on how they are likely to vote, I began to ponder the legality to restrictions and hindrances to voting and the one man one vote concept. I might be missing something, admittedly, but I see nothing in the constitution that justifies stripping an an American citizen of their civil rights with the exception of involuntary servitude specifically limited to the duration of their sentance. This means, if I'm correct felons have a right to vote after their incarceration. I also believe, not based on any personal desire or agenda but objective understanding of what US citizenship affords, specifically equal protection under the law; felons currently incarcerated also have a right to vote no different than their rights to access to the courts.
Have fun responding.
Wait for those that see the exact opposite as "fair" (only?) when it comes to gun control.
Interesting that you consider welfare recipients lower than convicted criminals.I don't think those who are living off the government tit ought to have a say in how that tit is funded myself. If a felon has served his time and is a productive citizen he should be able to vote. If he's living on welfare (like many are-sadly due to the fact that many cannot get jobs due to either the fact they are felons or the fact that they never had any skills to start with and thus they became mopes) I don't want him voting: record or no record
First, let me say I have traditionally opposed felons having the right to vote. However, in 2012 with what seemed to ME to be deliberate efforts to create obstacles for certain people to vote based on how they are likely to vote, I began to ponder the legality to restrictions and hindrances to voting and the one man one vote concept. I might be missing something, admittedly, but I see nothing in the constitution that justifies stripping an an American citizen of their civil rights with the exception of involuntary servitude specifically limited to the duration of their sentance. This means, if I'm correct felons have a right to vote after their incarceration. I also believe, not based on any personal desire or agenda but objective understanding of what US citizenship affords, specifically equal protection under the law; felons currently incarcerated also have a right to vote no different than their rights to access to the courts.
Have fun responding.
I don't think those who are living off the government tit ought to have a say in how that tit is funded myself. If a felon has served his time and is a productive citizen he should be able to vote. If he's living on welfare (like many are-sadly due to the fact that many cannot get jobs due to either the fact they are felons or the fact that they never had any skills to start with and thus they became mopes) I don't want him voting: record or no record
I disagree with that concept since nothing in the constitution limits (or grants) constitutional rights in such a manner. It is not a crime, that I am aware of, to not be "productive" - what you describe comes too close to a literacy test or a poll tax to deny "them" the right to vote. What of the disabled (short or long term), those receiving SS/Medicare or government pensions? I think it best to have only "due process" used to define a period of time (or monetary amount) as a sentence, and once satisfying that sentence alone, then one's rights are no longer subject to limitations.
I don't think those who are living off the government tit ought to have a say in how that tit is funded myself.
actually nothing actually requires a right to vote. The 17th amendment is an abomination and we need to get rid of it. But the point I was making is that former felon status doesn't mean much to me
I agree. The influence of big business in government should be removed. Anyone who owns or runs a business that receives government funding/subsidies/etc should be banned from participating in the political process.
Paying taxes doesn't mean much to me.
as opposed to licensing fees for CCW?:mrgreen:
That is not an opposite view - that is the supporting view. Rights are not granted (or denied) by paying (or not paying) fees/taxes. The only possible exception is for not paying a court ordered (due process) fine or victim restitution, which can then be used to assign an alternate sentence.
That's just plain stupid leaping lizard man:mrgreen:
the government lives off of businesses, not the other way around
Businesses still find ways to suckle on that teat though.
I could see the argument for forbidding felons who are still serving their time from voting but I feel that once you finish your prison time you should have every single right to vote.
I don't think those who are living off the government tit ought to have a say in how that tit is funded myself. If a felon has served his time and is a productive citizen he should be able to vote. If he's living on welfare (like many are-sadly due to the fact that many cannot get jobs due to either the fact they are felons or the fact that they never had any skills to start with and thus they became mopes) I don't want him voting: record or no record
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