steen said:Also, adoption is a parenting decision, not a pregnancy decision.
Foster kids, street kids, killed babies. Pro-life don't care. Once it has served its purpose of restricting and controlling women, it is just another welfare leech that wants their tax money.Iriemon said:Fair enough -- I wonder if there enough who would make this decision to adopt the huge increase in supply of unwanted babies? Or will we have a generation of foster kids?
There are currently about 120,000 completed adoptions a year, about 1/10th the amount of the number of abortions. The cost of adopting can run upwards of over $20,000; adopting 'special needs' children runs to about $2500 through government agencies.Iriemon said:Adoption is argued by anti-abortioners as an altenative to abortion. But is adoption really a reasonable alternative? I'm an not looking to discuss issues from a woman's point of view of having to carry a child -- I understand that and it has been discussed. What I am interested in is more as to whether it is realistic from the demand perspective. If abortion is outlawed, are we going to have hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care?
There is currently, a fairly high demand for at least certain races of babies. But from my limited research, there are approximately 500,000 kids in the foster care systems in this country.
If abortion in made illegal, will there be enough adoption demand to soak up the extra hundreds of thousands of unwanted children that will now be born each year? Or are we going to be creating a huge population of unwanted kids growing up in the foster care system.
Iriemon said:Adoption is argued by anti-abortioners as an altenative to abortion. But is adoption really a reasonable alternative? I'm an not looking to discuss issues from a woman's point of view of having to carry a child -- I understand that and it has been discussed. What I am interested in is more as to whether it is realistic from the demand perspective. If abortion is outlawed, are we going to have hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care?
There is currently, a fairly high demand for at least certain races of babies. But from my limited research, there are approximately 500,000 kids in the foster care systems in this country.
If abortion in made illegal, will there be enough adoption demand to soak up the extra hundreds of thousands of unwanted children that will now be born each year? Or are we going to be creating a huge population of unwanted kids growing up in the foster care system.
Very true, and here, I have a source to back up this claim. The preganancy agencies in Mississippi. The "inform" the abortion seeker of how a fetus develops insisting that abortion (even within the first trimester) is the killing of a child (showing grotesque bloodly pictures to frighten the women). Then offer kindly of services to make sure the woman follows through with the pregnancy.steen said:Foster kids, street kids, killed babies. Pro-life don't care. Once it has served its purpose of restricting and controlling women, it is just another welfare leech that wants their tax money.
steen said:Foster kids, street kids, killed babies. Pro-life don't care. Once it has served its purpose of restricting and controlling women, it is just another welfare leech that wants their tax money.
jfuh said:Very true, and here, I have a source to back up this claim. The preganancy agencies in Mississippi. The "inform" the abortion seeker of how a fetus develops insisting that abortion (even within the first trimester) is the killing of a child (showing grotesque bloodly pictures to frighten the women). Then offer kindly of services to make sure the woman follows through with the pregnancy.
Once the the woman gives birth, all that "assistance" is no more. You're on your own.
Source
steen said:Also, adoption is a parenting decision, not a pregnancy decision.
steen said:Also, adoption is a parenting decision, not a pregnancy decision.
Yep, just more pro-life propaganda, completely irrelevant.talloulou said:Sure just like the planned parenthood website suggests to pregnant women that its quite possible that a fetus is unable to feel pain at anytime during a pregnancy and then refuses to acknowledge studies showing that many women experience mental health issues related to abortion procedures.
Yep, only teach of the "horror's" of abortion but even admist all that when the woman executes her god given freel will and chooses an abortion, they simply turn around and show how that's a sin yada yada, oh yeah, no referal to abortion clinics or anything.ngdawg said:How contradictory is this?? She also explains the center's Christian background and approach, and why it doesn't teach about birth control or refer for adoptions. "… [O]ur mission statement [is] to deal with a woman who has an unplanned pregnancy," she explains. "And her choices are abortion, adoption, parenting. She has basically those three choices, and we want to give her full information about all those choices."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/interviews/
Why does this NOT surprise me....:roll:
star2589 said:there are about 40 parents wanting to adopt for every infant put of for adoption. but putting more infants up for adoption isnt going to help all the foster care children that no one wants find homes.
talloulou said:That's a really cold statement to make and I think many prolifers would not agree with you, myself included.
As far as the question goes......it is very hard to adopt healthy newborn infants in our country. There just aren't hardly any available. So a woman who gave birth to a healthy newborn would have no trouble finding that baby a loving home in our country.
However a drug addicted baby or baby with severe health problems may not find a home.
Also when talking about foster kids you have to realize that many of them have problems that are too hard and complex for new adoptive parents to handle. While an infertile couple may be willing and ready to accept an infant for adoption they are way less likely to adopt a 4 year old with severe problems which many foster children unfortunately have.
Also it is important to understand that not all foster children are actually "up" for adoption. Many are in the foster care system while the parents are trying to straighten their lives out and they are not in fact all children who have parents who have abandoned them.
And Steen for you to suggest my sole purpose of being prolife is to restrict and control women is ludicrous. It would be similar to my suggesting that all prochoicers care about is making sure abortions occur to cure poverty and population problems.
Captain America said:Lemme see....if I had to pick between a foster home or a grave...what would I do........:roll: <think, think, think,>
Uh.....I'm goin' with the foster home.
Iriemon said:Adoption is argued by anti-abortioners as an altenative to abortion. But is adoption really a reasonable alternative? I'm an not looking to discuss issues from a woman's point of view of having to carry a child -- I understand that and it has been discussed. What I am interested in is more as to whether it is realistic from the demand perspective. If abortion is outlawed, are we going to have hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care?
There is currently, a fairly high demand for at least certain races of babies. But from my limited research, there are approximately 500,000 kids in the foster care systems in this country.
If abortion in made illegal, will there be enough adoption demand to soak up the extra hundreds of thousands of unwanted children that will now be born each year? Or are we going to be creating a huge population of unwanted kids growing up in the foster care system.
Pro-lifers actively work AGAINST sex-ed and contraception. But once there is conception, they also actively work AGAINST support for pregnant women or new families. So you can call it "cold" all you want, it IS the political reality of the pro-life movement.talloulou said:That's a really cold statement to make and I think many prolifers would not agree with you, myself included.
The pro-life political movement itself has exactly that purpose, and you support it and lend legitimacy to it. So yes that is what you do.And Steen for you to suggest my sole purpose of being prolife is to restrict and control women is ludicrous.
Well, not till 29-30th wek or somewhere around there anyway. So certainly at any time the PP performs abortions, there is absolutely no fetla pain or awareness.talloulou said:Sure just like the planned parenthood website suggests to pregnant women that its quite possible that a fetus is unable to feel pain at anytime during a pregnancy
And many many more do not. Have you THAT MUCH bought into the pro-life lies?and then refuses to acknowledge studies showing that many women experience mental health issues related to abortion procedures.
First you decide whether you want to be pregnant or not. Then you decide whether you want to be a parent or not.talloulou said:That's an odd statement. If you are pregnant and deciding between adoption or abortion than it is a pregnancy decision. Why would it be a parenting decision when either way you will not be parenting the child?
Or have an abortion.Donkey1499 said:I'm only going to say this once. If you don't want kids, then don't have sex.
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