SKILMATIC said:Did you know that part of the nazis tactics were illiminating races off the face of the earth? Well now you do.
Yes but I never said we were doing it at least at not time in our most recent history.
SKILMATIC said:O so when did we ever try to eliminate races off the face of the earth? Please enlighten me my good fellow.
SKILMATIC said:American indians? How could that be they are american? I asked when have we ever tried to eliminate a race and you propose our own race(yes they were a different ethnic group but I said race). Germany tried to extenguish a whole human race. The only people that would be left would be blond haired blue eyed and between 6ft and 6ft4in men. That my friend is extermination. We didnt even try to exterminate the indians we were trying to move them out of america casue we didnt want to share the land(which to this day I think was wrong of us to do that).
Yes we killed alot of indians but our intentions were not to exterminate them from the face of the earth. They were to try to get them to move away so we didnt have to share the land. They refused so there was plenty of confrontations of course.
AlbqOwl said:I would request that somebody post the order, mandate, law, or regulation from the U.S. government (or any state) targeted at committing genocide on the Native Americans. As far as massacres and raids involving women and children, both sides were guilty. As far as our treatment of the Indians once they were militarily subdued, our policies were abysmal and inexcusable. But so was slavery. So were law prohibiting women from voting. Etc. We have grown and learned from our past sins and we now invest blood and treasure to restore all conquered enemies.
We went to Iraq because in the opinion of the administration and Congress it was the next logical step in the War against Terrorism. The inspectors, virtually all members of the U.N., the previous administration, most of the free world believed Saddam had WMD and would use them. The prospect of nuclear weapons in the hands of a Saddam Hussein was unthinkable. After weeks of fruitless negotiations with the U.N.--plenty of time to hide, bury, move stuff--we invaded and found huge caches of arms and remnants of WMD, but no WMD. We did find the torture chambers, the mass graves, and other evidence of Saddam's tyranny. And since we were there, and with the consent of the Iraqis, we set about to restore Iraq and help it to become a democracy. The terrorists do not want a free, independent, and prosperous Iraq. We have already seen evidence that even such a prospect puts ideas and hope of freedom into the hearts and minds of others. Freedom and terrorism don't mix at all.
As someone said, if we lose in Iraq now, all our brave young men and women who gave their lives for this cause will have died in vain. Iraq will fade into another tyrannical dictatorship and it will all have been for nothing.
Despite all the negative gloom and doom featured in the liberal media, the liberals in government, and the liberal blogs on the internet, things are better in Iraq and get better daily. It's just that most people nowadays don't remember how much better it is to win wars than it is to just fight them.
AlbqOwl said:I would request that somebody post the order, mandate, law, or regulation from the U.S. government (or any state) targeted at committing genocide on the Native Americans. As far as massacres and raids involving women and children, both sides were guilty. As far as our treatment of the Indians once they were militarily subdued, our policies were abysmal and inexcusable. But so was slavery. So were law prohibiting women from voting. Etc. We have grown and learned from our past sins and we now invest blood and treasure to restore all conquered enemies.
We went to Iraq because in the opinion of the administration and Congress it was the next logical step in the War against Terrorism. The inspectors, virtually all members of the U.N., the previous administration, most of the free world believed Saddam had WMD and would use them. The prospect of nuclear weapons in the hands of a Saddam Hussein was unthinkable. After weeks of fruitless negotiations with the U.N.--plenty of time to hide, bury, move stuff--we invaded and found huge caches of arms and remnants of WMD, but no WMD. We did find the torture chambers, the mass graves, and other evidence of Saddam's tyranny. And since we were there, and with the consent of the Iraqis, we set about to restore Iraq and help it to become a democracy. The terrorists do not want a free, independent, and prosperous Iraq. We have already seen evidence that even such a prospect puts ideas and hope of freedom into the hearts and minds of others. Freedom and terrorism don't mix at all.
As someone said, if we lose in Iraq now, all our brave young men and women who gave their lives for this cause will have died in vain. Iraq will fade into another tyrannical dictatorship and it will all have been for nothing.
Despite all the negative gloom and doom featured in the liberal media, the liberals in government, and the liberal blogs on the internet, things are better in Iraq and get better daily. It's just that most people nowadays don't remember how much better it is to win wars than it is to just fight them.
cnredd said:Stop putting things into such easy terminology!...Some on the left might start to believe the truth, and we wouldn't want THAT!...:rofl
Napoleon's Nightingale said:Hmmm I suppose thats why the US army was used to slaughter them. Interesting.
cnredd said:"I suppose America did THIS!....I suppose America's at fault!...I suppose America is to blame again!...No other mention of another country doing anything wrong!"
Ever a sunny friggin' day in your world?!?!?
All you have to do is ask yourself two questions...
1) Overall, has America done more good than bad?
2) Do I portray that percentage with my posts?
Even if you gave #1 a "10%" good, that STILL 10% more than you publicly give this country credit for.
You're the one who will complain that I put a bruise on your chest after 25 minutes of CPR...
You're the one who wins a house and refuses it because of the wallpaper...
You're the one who will continue to point out the minor wrongs in view of the major rights....
Dude; you're just one down-in-the-dumps, pessimistic, brooding bum...
Remind me not to invite you to a party....You'd bring your own rain....
Napoleon's Nightingale said:I was specifically asked to provide 1 example of genocide commited by America. I did.
cnredd said:I'm not talking about the last 4 posts....I'm talking about the last 4 days!
Why don't you go to the Playboy mansion and tell Hef the grotto isn't deep enough for ya....
Napoleon's Nightingale said::lol: I'm pessimistic when I'm given a good reason to be. I hardly think that deciet, massacre, and bombs warrants optimism in humanity. I'm dissapointed that you try to justify genocide by pointing out our charities. By the way, how many charities does it take to make genocide ok? Unfortunatley for you history chooses to recall the few evil deeds more often the many good works. For all you know Hitler saved his best friend's life as a child but that doesn't excuse him from his genocide spree.
cnredd said:Read the thread title....NOW you have a good reason not to be....
cnredd said:Read the thread title....NOW you have a good reason not to be....
As for your "genocide" comment, which is beyond laughable, I ask you....
Take all of the "genocides" that have ever happened...What's the worst one from the US?...And where does that rank compared to the rest of the world?....I assume Stalin's USSR would come in at #1...
cnredd said:Read the thread title....NOW you have a good reason not to be....
As for your "genocide" comment, which is beyond laughable, I ask you....
Take all of the "genocides" that have ever happened...What's the worst one from the US?...And where does that rank compared to the rest of the world?....I assume Stalin's USSR would come in at #1...
Napoleon's Nightingale said:I have an interesting question for you. Are we supporting terrorism by buying oil from countries which allow terrorists to roam freely and whos governments commit humanitarian crimes on a daily basis?
cnredd said:Yes.
It this because of something recent? No
Is this because we've gone to bed with the Middle East since FDR? Yes
Are we now reaping what we have sown? Yes
Is it because America has an insatiable thirst for oil? Yes
Is terrorism an adequate way to stop our "reaping"? No
Is "buying oil from countries" the only reason there is terrorism? No
If Bush43 did the same as the last four Presidents, would things change? No
Would it be worse? Yes
Should he do something about it? Yes
Is going into Iraq part of it? Yes
Will it help in the short run? No
Will it help in the long run? Yes
If the Middle East ran out of oil tomorrow, would there still be terrorism? Yes
If the USA invented a new energy source, and didn't need any more oil, would there still be terrorism? Yes
If every government the USA was "in bed with" was gone, would there still be terrorism? Yes
If every foreigner left the Middle East, would there still be terrorism? Yes
So oil defines us, but it does NOT define the terrorists? Yes
Since when does something have to be written policy to be considered condoned by the government? The government encouraged and propgated it
I suppose that's why the U.S. Army was used to slaughter them.
AlbqOwl said:Napoleon writes
and (from memory)
An unfortunate consequence of war is that it always kills people and breaks things. If you however can show me a single policy or any proof whatsoever that anyone in our government or any of our military intentionally targeted civilians in Iraq, I'll acknowledge it in bold face. I dare say you cannot do that, thus your statement seems to reflect a personal ideology and hatred of the current administration and/or the military that is typical of some on the left.
On the other hand, I can refer you to numerous websites with graphic pictures of the mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children massacred at the hands of Saddam Hussein and his thugs.
Now tell me again how Iraq is worse off because the U.S. is helping the Iraqis to put together a free and independent nation with a representative government?
GySgt said:"I hardly think that deciet, massacre, and bombs warrants optimism in humanity."
1) What massacre...The 300,000 Kurds by Muslims in Iraq?...The 10,000 Kurds by MUslims in Iran?...The 400,000 Muslims by Muslims in Somalia? The 2 million Black Christians in Sudan by Muslims in just under a decade?...The 250,000 Muslims by Muslims in Zaire?
2) Some people (Fundamental Islamists) just need killing.
3) The liberal is also quick to point out America's past with regards to slavery...African slaves shipped to the Muslim world are estimated between 11.5 million and 14 million.
If the lords of terror dispense with displays of pity for their victims, it’s only because they haven’t yet attained the leftist’s level of hypocrisy. Reality has no weight for the ideologues who cannot live without the conviction that only the United States is ever guilty.