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Iran to send 4,000 troops to aid President Assad forces in Syria

So until a new dictator takes over Iraq and replicates all of Saddam's war crimes and crimes against humanity, we should view Iraq as a success?

Yes.

Genocide twice 250k
Invading Iran 500k
Starving children by selling food 400k
Invading Kuwait
Institutional rape
Fake WMD program
Legal FGM, honor killings
All national funds spent on rape, torture and killing.


Until that stuff comes back to the Iraqi people, it is a success. Progress in the meantime is gravy.
 
Excellent article for content and for those looking for unfiltered news. Do the rest of you believe in the opiniated statements of this article slamming the USA and the UK along with describing the Iraqi war as a "loss" for the USA and the withdrawal from Afghanistan as "humiliating"?

I don't for a minute think that Iraq was or is a loss for the US - they still have some growing pains but the majority of people there, particularly the Kurds in the north and the majority of non-ba'athists in the south are thankful for the US intervention and ridding their country of Saddam. Americans have to appreciate that a free people won't always do what you want them to do or expect them to do but you should celebrate their freedom as they do.

As for Afghanistan, the mistake was thinking you could administer a move to civilization in a region of the world where no civilization exists. Iraq has a highly educated and intelligent population, capable of ruling itself - Afghanistan is a cesspool and you should abandon it immediately to its own devices yet be prepared to bomb it again if and when terrorists set up camp again.
 
Yes.

Genocide twice 250k
Invading Iran 500k
Starving children by selling food 400k
Invading Kuwait
Institutional rape
Fake WMD program
Legal FGM
Legal honor killings


Until that stuff comes back to the Iraqi people, it is a success. Progress in the meantime is gravy.

Well your barometer for failure in war is pretty self serving.

No invasion is a failure unless the mess we leave is as bad or worse than the mess we found.
 
Liberal democracy? I think not.

"Civil courts now employ sharia judges who sit in regular courts of appeal and specialise in sharia appellate cases.[91] Laws regarding personal status are derived from Islamic law"

Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A democracy in the Middle East isn't going to be liberal by Western standards. Some Sharia judges sitting in secular courts pales compared to what goes on in Saudi Arabia and Iran, so Libya is ahead of the game in the Middle East.
 
Well your barometer for failure in war is pretty self serving.

No invasion is a failure unless the mess we leave is as bad or worse than the mess we found.


As I said - Until the mess gets as bad as it was, everyone wins.
 
I don't for a minute think that Iraq was or is a loss for the US - they still have some growing pains but the majority of people there, particularly the Kurds in the north and the majority of non-ba'athists in the south are thankful for the US intervention and ridding their country of Saddam. Americans have to appreciate that a free people won't always do what you want them to do or expect them to do but you should celebrate their freedom as they do.

As for Afghanistan, the mistake was thinking you could administer a move to civilization in a region of the world where no civilization exists. Iraq has a highly educated and intelligent population, capable of ruling itself - Afghanistan is a cesspool and you should abandon it immediately to its own devices yet be prepared to bomb it again if and when terrorists set up camp again.

Is Obama appeasing the neo-cons like McCain with weapons? Is it true the Kurds are fighting with Assad? Do you believe that Assad is Israel's man? Am I to believe this Sunni/Shia business is due to Muhammed having no blood relatives?
 
You forgot Israel. They will drag them into it to gain some support from other Arab groups against the US. Al queda will move out of it when that happens. They won't fight on the side of the US and Israel. Bringing Israel in will get al queda out.


Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, Iran.

vs.

Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, and the USA.

Yeah, this should be interesting. Got your iodine pills ready? I do.
 
The only good outcome is the moderates gaining power. The only way for that to happen is to be involved. The Syrian people will be BIG winners if they get human rights and a UN backed government committed to development.

Seriously? Where has this worked before?
Stop being a mother- just let this all happen and deal with who's the boss when the bullets stop flying.
 
Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, Iran.

vs.

Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, and the USA.

Yeah, this should be interesting. Got your iodine pills ready? I do.

Don't forget to include the other Arab countries such as the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Politics does make for strange bed fellows. :lol:
 
You forgot Israel. They will drag them into it to gain some support from other Arab groups against the US. Al queda will move out of it when that happens. They won't fight on the side of the US and Israel. Bringing Israel in will get al queda out.

Israel won't spend one dime on this conflict or provide a single bullet. They will simply watch the Sunnis kill the Shia while sipping on gin and juice.
 
Is Obama appeasing the neo-cons like McCain with weapons? Is it true the Kurds are fighting with Assad? Do you believe that Assad is Israel's man? Am I to believe this Sunni/Shia business is due to Muhammed having no blood relatives?

No the Kurds are emphatically not fighting with Assad. They are at the moment a relatively independent party that has been deliberate in its efforts to avoid being drawn into either faction. Their natural disposition is towards the FSA because of the political opportunities that the fall of Assad would offer them, but they have yet to receive the kind of concrete assurances for autonomy that they would require before throwing their lot in with them. As a result they have been establishing defacto political administrations and incubating their fighting force the 'popular protection units' and associated militias (including some from Iraq).
 
Our lack of involvement in Syria is precisely why Islamist groups have become so powerful. People have consistently mistaken the symptom for the disease. Absent other allies and with an embryonic revolutionary movement the FSA and it's popular supporters were desperate for assistance. The initial cadres of foreign fighters were incredibly successful at inflicting high casualties on the Syrian military drawing on their experiences as insurgents in the wider region. These then formed a nucleus for the existing Islamist underground and together they have mushroomed in popularity due to their ability to inflict high casualties in the Syrian military, and in their ability to take the initiative.

Riad al-Asaad was a secular military commander, and his successor Salim Idris is a similarly moderate commander with a background as a European electrical engineer, two of the deputy commanders are Christian. The FSA still commands a significant military presence in the country, but it's position has been marginalized as foreign fighters, arms, and money flow to Islamist groups.

Our dilatory actions have meant that the time has long since passed when the rise of these groups could be checked. However we can still make sure that the FSA and elements we find palatable are strengthened and are in the ascendancy which would reduce the risk of an Islamist takeover in Syria.

The alternative is a victorious, militarized, and vengeful Assad with an Iranian presence that is now firmly stamped on the Levant, or the more likely outcome an Islamist takeover of Damascus.

Inaction is a choice, and that choice has consequences.
 
Now Hamas is on the side of the rebels and is calling on Hezbollah to stop helping Assad.

Hamas calls on Hezbollah to pull fighters out of Syria

This is truly realligning Middle East allegiances. Sunni vs Shia.

Well lets not forget all those Sunni Clerics in Egypt, Qatar, and all over the ME are calling for Jihad. Which is pushing that agenda over all else in the ME. In return.....recently the Shia assassinated a Sunni Cleric.

Plus both the Rebels and AQ have been traveling in and out Iraq.

Charles Lister, an analyst at IHS Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Center, said there are indications that Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant are operating as distinct groups inside of Syria.

Violence has spiked sharply in Iraq in recent months, with the death toll rising to levels not seen since 2008.
Iraq risks growing more deeply involved in the Syrian civil war raging across its western border. Iraqi border posts along the Syrian frontier have come under attack by rebels, and Syrian truck drivers and soldiers have been killed inside Iraq. Iraqi fighters are moving across the border, with Sunni extremists cooperating with the rebels and Shiite militants fighting alongside government forces.

Also on Saturday, an Iranian exile group living in a camp near Baghdad airport reported multiple casualties when the compound, known as Camp Liberty, came under attack from rockets.

The group, the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, is the militant wing of a Paris-based Iranian opposition group that opposes Iran's clerical regime and has carried out assassinations and bombings in Iran. It fought alongside Saddam Hussein's forces in the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war, and several thousand of its members were given sanctuary in Iraq. It renounced violence in 2001, and was removed from the U.S. terrorism list last year.

Iraq's government wants the MEK out of the country, and the United Nations is working to relocate residents abroad. Several residents moved to Albania last month

In another attack, Sunni cleric Khalil al-Fahdawi was killed when a bomb stuck to his car exploded late the previous night near Ramadi, police said Saturday. The cleric has been a supporter of Sunni anti-government protests that have been raging for months and exacerbating sectarian tensions.....snip~

Al-Qaida's Iraq head defies boss over Syria fight

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/164256-concerning-al-qaida.html#post1061955889
 
Russia, Syria, Hezbollah, Iran.

vs.

Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, and the USA.

i love this categorizing,

specially this group:


Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and maybe Israel ) and the USA.

the most pro-human right parties get together to bring the freedom! for Syrian people!
the world just become a ZOO. as a rulers act like animals its not wondering.

god bless Russia and its military capacity, other wise, USA slaughter half of the world population to bring democracy and freedom of speech!
 
i love this categorizing,

specially this group:


Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and maybe Israel ) and the USA.

the most pro-human right parties get together to bring the freedom! for Syrian people!
the world just become a ZOO. as a rulers act like animals its not wondering.

god bless Russia and its military capacity, other wise, USA slaughter half of the world population to bring democracy and freedom of speech!


Say What, the USA slaughtering over Half the World. Are they that delusional in Iran? What has happened to the Persians? Why did they just let some Muslim Arabs take control of their country? Time for the Persians to take back their own Country and set things back to being Right again. Quit listening to those that have no Heart and no cojones and do not deserve to be in power anywhere and at anytime.
 
Say What, the USA slaughtering over Half the World. Are they that delusional in Iran? What has happened to the Persians? Why did they just let some Muslim Arabs take control of their country? Time for the Persians to take back their own Country and set things back to being Right again. Quit listening to those that have no Heart and no cojones and do not deserve to be in power anywhere and at anytime.

there are no Muslim Arabs here, we are Persian Muslims and in fact, Racist has no plan in Islam.

Persians kept back for years (for some inside reason and some outside one), but we are trying to find our position again. not bad now (right now Iran is the peace land in the middle of craziest region in the world. USA leaders and other crazy leaders don't dare to even think about attacking Iran, which if they could they did imminently like they did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and so on ), even so we try to make it better. new President can do such a thing, I hope west leaders, wise ones, get along with him.
 
there are no Muslim Arabs here, we are Persian Muslims and in fact, Racist has no plan in Islam.

Persians kept back for years (for some inside reason and some outside one), but we are trying to find our position again. not bad now (right now Iran is the peace land in the middle of craziest region in the world. USA leaders and other crazy leaders don't dare to even think about attacking Iran, which if they could they did imminently like they did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and so on ), even so we try to make it better. new President can do such a thing, I hope west leaders, wise ones, get along with him.

There are no Muslim Arabs in Iran????? Try again! Uhm Lets keep it Real!

The Arab presence in Iran did not begin with the Islamic conquest of Persia in 633 AD. For centuries, Iranian rulers had maintained contacts with Arabs outside their borders, dealt with Arab subjects and client states in Iraq, and settled Arab tribesmen in various parts of the Iranian plateau. It follows that the "Arab" conquests and settlements were by no means the exclusive work of Arabs from the Hejaz and the tribesmen of inner Arabia. The Arab infiltration into Iran began before the Muslim conquests and continued as a result of the joint exertions of the civilized Arabs (ahl al-madar) as well is the desert Arabs (ahl al-wabar).[3]

According to the Minorities at Risk Project 2001, about 40% of Arabs are unskilled workers living in urban areas. The Arabs in the rural areas are primarily farmers and fishermen. The Arabs living along the Persian Gulf coastal plains are mostly pastoral nomads. Tribal loyalties are strong among rural Arabs, but also have an influence in urban areas. These have an impact on Arab socialisation and politicisation.[4]

Payame Noor University, which has 229 campuses throughout the country, in 2008 declared that Arabic will be the "second language" of the university, and that all its services will be offered in Arabic, concurrent with Persian

Shapur II the Great (309-79 A.D.) of the Sassanid Empire, after a punitive expedition across the Persian Gulf early in his reign, transplanted several clans of the Taghleb to Dārzīn (Daharzīn) near Bam, several clans of the Abd al-Qays and Tamīm to Haǰar (the Kūh-e Hazār region) southeast of Kermān, several clans of the Bakr ben Wāʾel to Kermān, and several clans of the Hanzala to Tavvaz, near present-day Dālakī in Fārs.[6]

Although after the Arab invasion of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language, culture, and Shia Islam to the present day. But ethno-linguistic characteristics of the region must be studied against the long and turbulent history of the province, with its own local language khuzi, which may have been of Elamite origin and which gradually disappeared in the early medieval period. The immigration of Arab tribes from outside the province was also a long-term process. There was a great influx of Arab-speaking immigrants into the province from the 16th to the 19th century, including the migration of the Banu Kaab and Banu Lam. There were attempts by the Iraqi regime during the Iran-Iraq war (1980–88) to generate Arab nationalism in the area but without any palpable success.[7]

Iranian Arabs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The matter is quite simple.....give up the religion that doesn't belong to your people and never did. Then they will gain their re-standing in the World. This means drive out the Arabs totally and for good!
 

The matter is quite simple.....give up the religion that doesn't belong to your people and never did. Then they will gain their re-standing in the World. This means drive out the Arabs totally and for good!



religion doesn't belong to anyone, so Christianity belongs to Greeks and Jew belong to Israelis?!

give up your religion doesn't help you to stand up or anything like that. vast majority of the world gave up and what they gain instead?


thank you for keep it simple, there is nothing wrong of being a Muslim. why do you use the term Islam as an accusation? don't take politicians and medias propaganda serious. just think about American Muslim that had great contributed to your society, Karim Abdul Jabber, Mohammad Ali, Malcolm X (especially after Mecca trip and get to know real Islam), Cat Stevens and ... .


about Persians, the power of our society was and is our culture. we kept it and will keep it no matter what happen. Arabs, Greek, Mongols invade our country and rules for some years, but all of them, i repeat all of them absorbed in our great culture. even after Arab invasion we kept every single aspects of our culture alive. our language, our poetry, our music and ... . we accept Islam and not Arabs. that's what wise people do when meet something valuable, study it and accept it instead of labeled it and hate it.
 
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religion doesn't belong to anyone, so Christianity belongs to Greeks and Jew belong to Israelis?!

give up your religion doesn't help you to stand up or anything like that. vast majority of the world gave up and what they gain instead?


thank you for keep it simple, there is nothing wrong of being a Muslim. why do you use the term Islam as an accusation? don't take politicians and medias propaganda serious. just think about American Muslim that had great contributed to your society, Karim Abdul Jabber, Mohammad Ali, Malcolm X (especially after Mecca trip and get to know real Islam), Cat Stevens and ... .


about Persians, the power of our society was and is our culture. we kept it and will keep it no matter what happen. Arabs, Greek, Mongols invade our country and rules for some years, but all of them, i repeat all of them absorbed in our great culture. even after Arab invasion we kept every single aspects of our culture alive. our language, our poetry, our music and ... . we accept Islam and not Arabs. that's what wise people do when meet something valuable, study it and accept it instead of labeled it and hate it.

You are familiar with Zorastor, Correct? Yes.....religion belongs to Man. Man created religions.

God, Creator, and or any other term one wishes to use. Doesn't belong to man.

Religion running a Country and in control doesn't work and never has. Persia was assimilated.....which really does fall upon themselves for allowing such to take place.

Iran isn't helping themselves by attempting to front off the US while trying to make us look like the bad guys. They look foolish spouting so. Knowing No other country helps others more than we do. In all things. Good and Bad. Playing on that sectarian divide isn't going to help Iran. It will only make things worse for them.

Guess no one can fault them for attempting to aid their own allies tho.
 
You are familiar with Zorastor, Correct? Yes.....religion belongs to Man. Man created religions.
we are familiar with Zoroaster, we respect and proud of him. so what?!

Religion running a Country and in control doesn't work and never has. Persia was assimilated.....which really does fall upon themselves for allowing such to take place.

secular government works? like the ones who involved in Syria? (Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and maybe Israel ) and the USA.)


Iran isn't helping themselves by attempting to front off the US while trying to make us look like the bad guys.

Iran isn't trying to make US look like bad guys. They ARE bad guys, just look at your 50 years history, USA haven't one day without war! you have more than 900 military bases in 130 countries. what do you do?! promote peace and freedom of speech?!

just look what reaction your president get from people when he's traveling overseas. at least our government doesn't attack new countries every single year.

you can defend this situation but i can't believe most Americans are happy that their retirement's money spend overseas to destroy countries and slaughtered people they never met and never knew! and the benefits goes right through to a few people unlimited pockets.
 
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we are familiar with Zoroaster, we respect and proud of him. so what?!



secular government works? like the ones who involved in Syria? (Al Qaeda, Syrian rebels, Turkey, (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and maybe Israel ) and the USA.)

Iran isn't trying to make US look like bad guys. They ARE bad guys, just look at your 50 years history, USA haven't one day without war! you have more than 900 military bases in 130 countries. what do you do?! promote peace and freedom of speech?!

just look what reaction your president get from people when he's traveling overseas. at least our government doesn't attack new countries every single year.

you can defend this situation but i can't believe most Americans are happy that their retirement's money spend overseas to destroy countries and slaughtered people they never met and never knew! and the benefits goes right through to a few people unlimited pockets.

How do the Iranians respect Zorastor, when they walked away from All he was told to Start.

No the Secular Government in Syria wasn't working. So that is a misnomer. Which that came about due to try and show the World that the Syrians could have Elections and that they were Democratic. It wasn't ever going to take place with 78 million Sunni Muslims crying and whining about how they should be in power.

As with this situation it is kinda like what happened to the Persians. Except that it is the Syrians who have been assimilated by the Sunni Arab Muslims. Unlike Persia who was assimilated by the Shia Arab Muslims.

The reason your country can't attack any countries is due to that sectarian divide. As well as the inadequacy of its Military Forces.

One doesn't bring a Knife to a Gun Fight. Which basically that is all any in the ME can do. Such is the true reality of Who Has the Power.

Running around trying to say the US was killing half the world is a delusion. All you need do is look at what that Real Realty would look like. Which IF the US decided that is what it was going to do. Then there really isn't much anyone can do about it. Except to start counting.
 
How do the Iranians respect Zorastor, when they walked away from All he was told to Start.

we study about him in school and Zoroastrianism have their religion and being respected in society.


As with this situation it is kinda like what happened to the Persians. Except that it is the Syrians who have been assimilated by the Sunni Arab Muslims. Unlike Persia who was assimilated by the Shia Arab Muslims.

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The reason your country can't attack any countries is due to that sectarian divide. As well as the inadequacy of its Military Forces.

whatever the reason is i am happy so! 200 hundred years without one single invading.

One doesn't bring a Knife to a Gun Fight. Which basically that is all any in the ME can do. Such is the true reality of Who Has the Power.

that's exactly why i pray for Russia and its nukes!

Running around trying to say the US was killing half the world is a delusion. All you need do is look at what that Real Realty would look like. Which IF the US decided that is what it was going to do. Then there really isn't much anyone can do about it. Except to start counting.
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at least we can be fair and watch the realities and trying to stop our government mistakes. specially you the ones who live in America.
 
we study about him in school and Zoroastrianism have their religion and being respected in society.




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whatever the reason is i am happy so! 200 hundred years without one single invading.



that's exactly why i pray for Russia and its nukes!

at least we can be fair and watch the realities and trying to stop our government mistakes. specially you the ones who live in America.[/QUOTE]

But then you aren't watching the realities if you think the US is killing off half the population of the World. Like I said before you cant change the truth when it comes to the Good and the Bad. None can dispute all the good that is done in behalf of others and when in Need.
 
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