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Interesting quote on power and behavior

captainawesome said:
Collective bargaining is easy to understand. Individuals designate someone or a few to represent the whole group to negotiate. The collection of individuals is also known as a union.
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As long as the bargaining is not done by employees paid with tax dollars for public positions, I have no issue as they have been proven to to be uncompetitive in the marketplace...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
As long as the bargaining is not done by employees paid with tax dollars for public positions, I have no issue as they have been proven to to be uncompetitive in the marketplace...
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Iron workers would dissagree.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
The government now employees iron workers directly who bargain for their wages and benefits?
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They hire contractors who hire workers.

They would disagree that non union iron workers are more productive as they are not.
 
captainawesome said:
Collective bargaining is easy to understand. Individuals designate someone or a few to represent the whole group to negotiate. The collection of individuals is also known as a union.
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I know it's easy to understand... i've understood for 50 years.... I certainly don't need you to try and explain it.
I do not have collective bargaining as done by the Unions.. we have an entirely different process.

in our process, there is no designated individuals , no chosen few to speak for the rest.....no one person stands above the rest. ( another reason why unions would fail in my company... everybody is an elite here, not just the chosen ones)... it costs a bit more time and money to do it our way, but it's much more empowering for the employees.. and it's a lot of fun...we make it fun
 
Thrilla said:
I know it's easy to understand... i've understood for 50 years.... I certainly don't need you to try and explain it.
I do not have collective bargaining as done by the Unions.. we have an entirely different process.

in our process, there is no designated individuals , no chosen few to speak for the rest.....no one person stands above the rest. ( another reason why unions would fail in my company... everybody is an elite here, not just the chosen ones)... it costs a bit more time and money to do it our way, but it's much more empowering for the employees.. and it's a lot of fun...we make it fun
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So you don't have collective bargaining. You have employees who don't want to get fired and tell you what you want to hear.

If you even own anything at all.
 
Thrilla said:
aye.. and they get to believing that their "master" is the end all be all of their world.

to foster such behavior , to me, is not leadership.. it's tyranny.
leadership, to me, isn't about fomenting compliance or dependence... but all too often, that's exactly what it turns out to be (especially when it comes to government leadership)
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So leadership, to you, would be nurturing independence and initiative, creating more individual growth and success, yes?
 
Thrilla said:
walmart.
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Walmart got be be successful because they invested in the most efficient and productive warehouse and distribution system up until that time. That is the essence of productivity. I believe your example fails.
 
captainawesome said:
Walmart got be be successful because they invested in the most efficient and productive warehouse and distribution system up until that time. That is the essence of productivity. I believe your example fails.
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of course you believe it fails... you've shown a history of homing in on a single factor and attributing causation to that factor.

productivity is but one facet in competitiveness..

in my first business, i knew independent contractors who were the epitome of productive.. very efficient operations they ran... unfortunately for them, they weren't competitive and they lost their businesses because of it.
hell, they were far more efficient and productive than I was... not nearly so competitive , though... I lived, they died.
I attribute that to them being similar in mindset to you.. falsely attributing single factors as determining factors....missing the forest for the trees.
 
Thrilla said:
of course you believe it fails... you've shown a history of homing in on a single factor and attributing causation to that factor.

productivity is but one facet in competitiveness..

in my first business, i knew independent contractors who were the epitome of productive.. very efficient operations they ran... unfortunately for them, they weren't competitive and they lost their businesses because of it.
hell, they were far more efficient and productive than I was... not nearly so competitive , though... I lived, they died.
I attribute that to them being similar in mindset to you.. falsely attributing single factors as determining factors....missing the forest for the trees.
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OK. What is competitive? How can I see the forest?
 
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