In other words people are required to give up their personal beliefs and everyone must think alike in order to own a business. Thanks but no thanks. Living in such a society would be extremely boring and extremely restrictive.
they were approached because of their religious beliefs. It was predatory from the get go, and where there are legitimate applications for that tactic, this is not one of them. This outfit had no reason to be in the media other than their views, they had made no public announcements and had sought no coverage on their own. That is significant from both a legal and ethical view, on an ethics point this is a dog's breakfast floating on a turd in the sewer.
Sigh... more CON spin-
Do you believe in all forms welfare? Do you pay taxes to support welfare?
If someone doesn't believe in interracial marriage should they be forced to wait on such a couple in a restaurant?
Can a fundie doctor refuse to attend a badly hurt gay man?
We are constantly 'forced' to do things we'd rather not or don't believe in.
It;s called putting on your big boy pants and living in the real world rather than a false narrative the CONs love to spin about 'freedoms'....
Where on this planet are Christians beheading gays or throwing them off high buildings? (Please bear in mind that old news doesn't count).
In case you didn't notice or didn't read far enough that particular post was designed to illicit a type of response. Which it did quite nicely in SMTA's post following that particular post. If forced to provide a service that they don't wish to provide then yes they are. Just like serfs were forced to provide for the Lords back in the medieval days.
Why would American Liberals have much to say about Muslims, when said religious group is so small in numbers, few people have interactions with Muslims, whether social or business.
American Liberals only have things to say about SOME who call themselves Christian. There are very few who attack or denigrate all who call themselves Christian and then there is the ever so small matter that many Liberals are Christians.
For SOME who call themselves Christian seemingly are incapable of seeing any other person as Christian if that other person doesn't believe exactly the same things about their religion.
The whole "Christians are being persecuted" meme is derived solely from a world view based on fantasy - at least in America.
The "Liberals say nothing about Muslims" meme denies the efforts by Liberals in those parts of the world where Islamic fundamentalism does such great harm
It is called test cases and the CONs rail for someone to test companies over gun restrictions or the laws they disagree with. Deliberate, focussed and for a goal beyond a pizza...
The pizza shop owners could have simply said no comment but they (she) chose to put her opinion front and center.
They should take religious comfort that they too face the angry philistines but unlike the One they claim to follow they won't be up on some wood for 3 days to think about it....eace
Yes it is a pretty irrational view. So why force people to go against what they believe?
Sigh... more CON spin-
Do you believe in all forms welfare? Do you pay taxes to support welfare?
If someone doesn't believe in interracial marriage should they be forced to wait on such a couple in a restaurant?
Can a fundie doctor refuse to attend a badly hurt gay man?
We are constantly 'forced' to do things we'd rather not or don't believe in.
It;s called putting on your big boy pants and living in the real world rather than a false narrative the CONs love to spin about 'freedoms'....
Yes actually they did state their religious beliefs. And it is that religious belief that is the reasoning behind their discrimination.
I'm not a Conservative. Nope. As I've been saying. No one should be forced to do what they do not want to do. Hippocratic Oath. They willingly gave up that right when they swore that oath. I'm not. We're talking about Rights. Not freedoms.
Speaking of putting your big boy pants on, why not just have homosexuals buy pizzas for their weddings from a pizza parlor that wants to provide them with pizzas?
In sociological terms the heightened reactions are a result of a deepening divide.
As the nation see its leaders engage in childish name calling and bully tactics in DC, they grow more and more resentful of the "other" side, and more easily become hysterical, which for the left is never a long trip, go to a labor rally and listen to some speeches.
The nation has had six years of confrontation on just about every file. Ferguson becomes a bigger issue because the first black president has to face it somehow. Having promised everything to everyone on every file, a simple shooting becomes a right-left issue because of a push for gun control.
And anytime there is push, there is push back. It grows more severe as one side sees itself as being pushed into too many corners, 'Damn now we can't even say "no" to a customer for any reason if they're ______________ fill in the blank.'
and then there is the aspect, for both sides, that they have a "just cause" whether it be middle ages Biblical morality or a hysterical reaction to a predatory planted question designed to pull some triggers......the perfect storm if you will, and a race baited, hyper sensitive "stupid voter" waiting to be fed a reason....
Why would American Liberals have much to say about Muslims, when said religious group is so small in numbers, few people have interactions with Muslims, whether social or business.
American Liberals only have things to say about SOME who call themselves Christian. There are very few who attack or denigrate all who call themselves Christian and then there is the ever so small matter that many Liberals are Christians.
For SOME who call themselves Christian seemingly are incapable of seeing any other person as Christian if that other person doesn't believe exactly the same things about their religion.
The whole "Christians are being persecuted" meme is derived solely from a world view based on fantasy - at least in America.
The "Liberals say nothing about Muslims" meme denies the efforts by Liberals in those parts of the world where Islamic fundamentalism does such great harm
She finds nothing sinful about homosexuals eating pizza at home. She does find something sinful about homosexuals eating pizza in celebration of a homosexual wedding. Sounds fair to meAnd blacks at 'their' pizza parlors... :doh
Course no gay folks came to the parlor to buy pizza, the owner stated she wouldn't provide pizza for a gay wedding- no mention of taking gay folk's money if they eat the pizza at home...
What utter bull****.
Liberals as you call them in the US have been attacking "God" in the form of the Christian church for over a century. Prayer in school? hell no! But break five times a day for Muslims is a right.
And since when are Muslims a minority? Islam is the largest religion in the world and the only one with global supremacy through war as its foundation. When was the last time anyone of you pointed out the harsh treatment of gays and lesbians in Islamic countries? And I thought Liberals were all about protecting the rights of minorities.
We have a war against Christian symbolism of Christmas but gee, no one gets excited about the Roman Paganism represented in the Supreme Court or it's Titan goddess "Lady Liberty" nee "Justicia, the goddess of retribution and justice.
The head "liberal" in the White House justifies beheadings and burning people alive while his followers rail at Bibles in schools.
Don't try to give me any crap about Christians not being persecuted in America.
Or does your "caring" stop at the US border?
Funny, just two days ago, liberals of all stripes were clamoring about how the market was making itself heard with regard to this pizza shop, and now you're all butt hurt that the market is making itself heard.. Jees man, get your stories straight..
Tim-
Has the "divide" always existed, but now it's okay to riot and burn buildings to the ground if you feel like it? I agree that it's being fed, but we used to be more law-abiding in the past. There will always be more "have-nots" than "haves," and those are the ones being targeted to achieve some sort of an agenda objective. Why? Do they want martial law to be declared, like we're some sort of third world country, or Nazi Germany, or is there more to it in their grand scheme? Everyone is constantly being kept on edge, on both sides, by propaganda rhetoric - why is this happening in America at this point in time? It's almost like desperation has set in for certain people, and they've decided to go for broke - the H*** with our laws! What's it going to be like in this Country if China and Russia and many other countries succeed in making our dollar worthless? Will people finally wake up when they see their standard of living drop like a rock? That could be our future, and it will affect everyone, haves and have-nots alike! :afraid: .. :scared:
"Believe what we tell you to believe, and disregard what you see with your own eyes! That's an order... disobey at your own peril!" Have I got it right? :shock:
What utter bull****.
Liberals as you call them in the US have been attacking "God" in the form of the Christian church for over a century. Prayer in school? hell no! But break five times a day for Muslims is a right.
And since when are Muslims a minority? Islam is the largest religion in the world and the only one with global supremacy through war as its foundation. When was the last time anyone of you pointed out the harsh treatment of gays and lesbians in Islamic countries? And I thought Liberals were all about protecting the rights of minorities.
We have a war against Christian symbolism of Christmas but gee, no one gets excited about the Roman Paganism represented in the Supreme Court or it's Titan goddess "Lady Liberty" nee "Justicia, the goddess of retribution and justice.
The head "liberal" in the White House justifies beheadings and burning people alive while his followers rail at Bibles in schools.
Don't try to give me any crap about Christians not being persecuted in America.
Or does your "caring" stop at the US border?
But every state, says an inquisitor, has established some religion. No two, say I, have established the same. Is this a proof of the infallibility of establishments?
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to Jeremiah Moor, 1800
I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Elbridge Gerry, 1799
It's a long story, but I thought "would be" children was clear enough. The point was he wanted a 'traditional family' and the 'traditional life' and dated his wife for years KNOWING he was gay and had he stayed married (he didn't) they'd have had children. But that wasn't possible, he WAS gay, tried like hell to BE straight and finally accepted it was impossible - he WAS gay, period.
And what I don't know is what you'd expect of him. The only options I know of are, 1) live a lie as a straight person, 2) live openly gay and with whom he loves (what you call a "deviant lifestyle"), or 3) live a life alone without intimacy. I cannot EXPECT anyone to live a life alone. You must. I don't think that's a fair expectation or demand from the perspective of religion.
Let me run this past y'all.
Suppose I, as a business owner of faith,decided I would bake the SSM cake but, would charge 3X my usual price [a Muslim sin tax if you will]
Would the Homosexual agendites agree to my terms or simply move along to the next baker?
Except catering a wedding isn't about JUST selling a product. It is also selling a service. Besides, when have you ever heard of a company not endorsing its products? If a company caters to weddings they are also endorsing weddings. Otherwise they wouldn't have gotten into the business of catering to weddings in the first place.
No, I brought up endorsements. You're the one that made it about the schools.
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Apparently you didn't read a word that was on that website. It explains the symbolism of a wedding cake. Which caterers often provide.
Again, just because the government does do something doesn't mean they actually can Constitutionally.
And its not the first time that something unconstitutional has stayed on the books for decades.
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