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In shootings, is the gun to blame?

Arrest any gun that is used in illegal shootings. Lock them up.
 
Josie said:
Do you think "bear arms" means it's on your person? You can travel with a firearm. Look it up.
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Ok. You can own a gun. But it will be locked up in a place you can not access without permission.


Easy peasy lemon. Squeezy
 
vegas giants said:
Ok. You can own a gun. But it will be locked up in a place you can not access without permission.


Easy peasy lemon. Squeezy
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Yes, you have to check it and it has to be unloaded and in a locked case.
 
Josie said:
Yes, you have to check it and it has to be unloaded and in a locked case.
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Great. You can own a gun but it must stay at the gun range in the same way.

You're certainly not allowed to carry it
 
vegas giants said:
Great. You can own a gun but it must stay at the gun range in the same way.

You're certainly not allowed to carry it
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Good luck with that idea.
 
Josie said:
What are you talking about?
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I was quite clear. Why blame a inanimate object and REQUIRE that I not carry it on my person on a plane? Will it jump off my hip and shoot soneone?
 
Rich2018 said:
Or pretty much most democracies in the world...but then the rest of the world is wrong.

Don't you think it's an amazing coincidence that you happened to be born in the country with the most sensible gun laws in the world ?
A bit like the amazingly luck Jehovah's Witnesses must feel to be born into a family that has the one and only true interpretation of the Bible - I mean of 7.5 billion people on Earth and only 8.5 million Witnesses, what are the chances...?
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I base my view on facts and experience. It is a fact that you will never remove all guns from society no matter how draconian your police actions. It is a fact that people sufficiently determined to do evil tend to get guns regardless.... see Charlie Hebdo and the Norway massacre. My experience shows me I and my family are safer that we are armed, and that lacking arms we would suffer far more abuse from the criminals and crazies. I don't give a damn how they do it in the UK.


If you don't like it the door is open to go back where you came from.

Oddly enough I've met quite a few European expats who quite liked the US gun laws.
 
I love how gun people think they’re making a clever argument here.
 
Goshin said:
I base my view on facts and experience.
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No, you base your views on the "facts" that have been told to you
Like the child born into a family of Jehovah's Witnesses
And limited by your highly limited experience

Have you ever lived outside the USA ?
Have you ever been outside the USA (except on a week or two weeks vacation)

So what exactly is this "experience" you speak of ?

Goshin said:
It is a fact that you will never remove all guns from society no matter how draconian your police actions.
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True. No proponent of gun control would ever say that GC laws will eradicate illegal guns. I don't.

Goshin said:
It is a fact that people sufficiently determined to do evil tend to get guns regardless
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Well it's more like people with enough $$$ will always be able to afford the inflated prices of smuggled guns.

Goshin said:
...my experience shows me I and my family are safer that we are armed...
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How so ?
Have you ever NOT had a gun in the home ?
If so, how long for ?
How many home invasions did you suffer ?

Goshin said:
I don't give a damn how they do it in the UK.
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Not only that, but you have absolutely zero experience of the world, outside your bigoted bubble
Proving that your first statement was BS and that you base your opinions on nothing more than prejudice (and probably a liking for guns).

Goshin said:
If you don't like it the door is open to go back where you came from.
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LOL
Do you reserve such blinkered opinion to anyone proposing change...?

What if those 1776 Revolutionaries had though like you. America would still be British.

Goshin said:
Oddly enough I've met quite a few European expats who quite liked the US gun laws.
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And yes that is odd...considering the vast majority of Europe reject US gun laws
Not that your limited experience would tell you that.
 
Rich2018 said:
No, you base your views on the "facts" that have been told to you
Like the child born into a family of Jehovah's Witnesses
And limited by your highly limited experience

Have you ever lived outside the USA ?
Have you ever been outside the USA (except on a week or two weeks vacation)

So what exactly is this "experience" you speak of ?



True. No proponent of gun control would ever say that GC laws will eradicate illegal guns. I don't.



Well it's more like people with enough $$$ will always be able to afford the inflated prices of smuggled guns.



How so ?
Have you ever NOT had a gun in the home ?
If so, how long for ?
How many home invasions did you suffer ?



Not only that, but you have absolutely zero experience of the world, outside your bigoted bubble
Proving that your first statement was BS and that you base your opinions on nothing more than prejudice (and probably a liking for guns).



LOL
Do you reserve such blinkered opinion to anyone proposing change...?

What if those 1776 Revolutionaries had though like you. America would still be British.
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I am former LE, and live/work in a high crime area. I probably have more experience in this sort of thing than you and all your friends combined.

I have traveled outside the USA, and extensively within it. I am neither uneducated nor ignorant.

I have experienced more occasions than I can easily remember, not just as a cop but also as a civilian, when I was very glad to be armed... when things might have gone very badly if I had not been. I've defended abused women from their abusers, and stood between children and people who meant them harm, and not just as a cop.

I know whereof I speak, regarding matters of violent crime.

As to the rest... I did essentially say "if you don't like it go back where you came from". That was rude of me, and I apologize. I do get very tired of comparisons to Europe, which has a very different history and culture (actually a varied lot lot of them), and get a bit short-tempered with those arguments at times. However, what I said was not civil debate and I should not have said it. I prefer to stick to reason, fact and logic, but I'm human and sometimes get irritated.
 
Josie said:
Here ya go. Why would you blame an inanimate object?
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It's the people who promote the proliferation of guns and lack of accountability who are to blame - not the guns themselves.
 
lurchadams said:
It's the people who promote the proliferation of guns and lack of accountability who are to blame - not the guns themselves.
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There are around 150 million people in the US who own one or more guns. Estimated... we'll never know exactly.

There are about 10,000 homicides a year, homicide being the killing of one person by another under varying circumstances.

That's 1 per 15,000 gun owners, or about 0.006%.

By that figure, we're doing rather well. It means that in a given year, 99.994% of gun owners are being responsible enough not to kill anyone, at least.

We don't suppress a right because 0.006% abuse it... we go after the abusers.
 
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