Re: Immigration Demostration
Che said:
Many other countries don't go parading around in the middle east alking about how the American way will bring success. True Rosa Parks was a citizen, and so what? Many protestors are citizens but above all, humans. I love this idea of them being "illegal hordes" How about starving humans? Do you know about the type of conditions these people live in? You raise a good point but please recognize that these people have no other option. It's either sit there and starve, or try to make a better life in a supposed democratic nation.
The initiative in the Middle East is for a separate thread, but at least we are trying to help the people there, many of whom were in terrible condition, chart their own destiny there. Why aren't you suggesting that we just bring those people here? Many were starving and suffering terribly when we went there. Where is your compassion for them?
It is wonderful to have compassion for people around the world and I think most of us do. But to think that we can alleviate all human suffering by bringing everybody to the United States is about as flaky as it gets. How many do you think we can take in without reducing ourselves to Third World status and losing our ability to offer real and constructive help in the world. The best way we help the poor of the world is to help them make democracies and free traders and capitalists in their own countries. That helps everybody.
Good then you'd know that it is nearly impossible for these people to come here. Only the creme de la creme of a nation is allowed here legally. The people who actually need the jobs the most are usually not able to come. the legal process currently is a huge beaurocracy. I personally think that we need to get rid of all immigration restrictions except perhaps the number of people allowed in legally which should be greatly incresed.
You can actually read and comment on what I said about this or you can continue to ignore anything that does not fit in with your own world view.
This is part of my argument. Make them "legal". That way they'll be just like the rest of us.
Is that your goal? Make them 'just like the rest of us'? How arrogant is that? My goal is to ensure that the people we share a country with are most likely honest, law abiding, and respectful of our flag, our language, our culture, our values, and our laws and Constitution. That means that 'making them legal' should require that they enter the country legally to begin with. How much concern do you think most people really have for our laws if they illegally crowd in line ahead of the many waiting to immigrate legally?
I've heard thi arguement before. They "depress wages" I disagree. there's an article here about it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12208037/
I live in a border state. I am in a business in which I see a lot of payroll records and P & L's including industries such as landscaping, construction, and food service in which many of the illegals are working. If you think the illegals are not depressing wages, I suggest a refresher course in basic economics. You can post as many leftwing articles as you wish to the contrary. I've seen the evidence first hand.
The way I think immigration should work is that the majority of people who want to stay and live in this country should be able to do so. however there should also be a migrant workers program that allows for workers to get payed whatever they and their employers agree on.
The way I think immigration should work is that those who come will prove they are not drug smugglers or worse, will want to be Americans and will have a reasonable shot at housing, a job, and other necessary resources. I am all for temporary work programs if employers cannot find enough citizens to do the work, but employers should be required to do this legally within clear regulations, and that would include making sure that the workers they bring in will have adequate housing and health care that is privately funded, and temporary workers will receive at least the prevailing wage which will be properly reported to the government.
I'd aggue with you on this but it's another thread. Personally one thing that I really love America for is the fact that it is a melting pot of culture. Every culture can be found here because that is our culture.
Melting pot implies a merging of cultures to produce one culture that is a composite of all: a uniquely American culture. This is the result of properly regulated immigration. Too many mushy brained do gooders these days no longer want a melting pot but rather want a crazy quilt of unrelated and disjointed cultures, each demanding that their own culture, language, customs, flag, etc. be respected. We simply cannot encourage that without losing the very qualities that make America the place where so many people want to be.
Demonstrations with angry immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, carrying the American flag upside down, waving their own flags defiantly, and claiming American territory for their own country does very little to inspire compassion among any thinking American. It rather inspires contempt and encourages even more extreme measures to control such immigration.
The best process at this point is to protect our borders and develop a reasonable and workable immigration policy that addresses the problems and helps prevent the same problems in the future. That will produce the best good for everybody without allowing people to thumb their noses at America and her laws.
