"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

[Neomalthusian]

All you did was a make a bunch of random accusations at Obama. None of that has anything to do with what he said, nor does it have anything to do with what Mitt Romney said. Both said that individual success, while undoubtedly requiring hard work from the person, is not attained solely by that individual.

Sorry if that pisses you off, or if you have trouble understanding that basic concept.

No one anywhere has trouble understanding it. Business are helped directly by the help they pay for directly, and indirectly by the government services they pay for indirectly. No argument. From anyone. Everyone already knew this.

The bigger issue is WHY the most powerful man in the world is bothering to lecture people about such ridiculously obvious concepts? Something is being implied/subtly suggested. It is utterly disingenuous to think Obama is talking about this for no reason other than to talk about it. With lawyer politicians, there is always a deeper and more manipulative motive underneath the public statements.

"He's ONLY saying that people work together. THAT'S ALL!"

Bull****.

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Again, Obama wasn't saying that business-owners had no influence in the success and creation of their business.

He was saying that they got help.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Again, Obama wasn't saying that business-owners had no influence in the success and creation of their business.

He was saying that they got help.

That's exactly what he said.

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

That's exactly what he said....

no, you are lying about what he said.

and Im sure you are aware of this.

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

That's exactly what he said.

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Ability to argue politics...

You didn't earn that!

Read, son. Read.

 

[Born Free]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Again, Obama wasn't saying that business-owners had no influence in the success and creation of their business.

He was saying that they got help.

Oh they got help, yet there is more poor people under Obama than any president before him. And do you ever wonder why he never talks about them or all the businesses that fail, go out of business, go bankrupted, loose all their life saving they invested in their dream business, no he does not mention them. He only mentions the successful businesses that he wants to take credit for, well I'm sorry Mr Obama, you also take credit for the growing numbers of the poor and all the failed businesses, and all those unemployed folks that are loosing their homes.

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Oh they got help, yet there is more poor people under Obama than any president before him....

um..the poverty rate was higher under Reagan.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Ability to argue politics...

You didn't earn that!

Read, son. Read.

It amuses me when people project their inadequacies and reveal their denial in this forum. :lamo

 

[Boo Radley]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Bottom line. Obama did not say what many are claiming he said. Not that such matters to the partisan. He simply said that while many business people did build their business with hard work and vision, they didn't build the roads that hlped them. And that while we accomplish on our own, we also do a lot of good work and accomplish things together. Radical ****, I know, but we really should be honest here.

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

It amuses me when people project their inadequacies and reveal their denial in this forum. :lamo

Judging from your name, you may not speak English well, but it's plain as day in his speech:

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Care to admit that you were wrong?

 

[Fletch]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Again, Obama wasn't saying that business-owners had no influence in the success and creation of their business.

He was saying that they got help.

But they didnt 'get help' because roads and bridges and teachers do not constitute help when it comes to starting a business. Everyone has equal access to those things, yet only a small percentage actually start a business of their own or see it grow to where they employ others. Look at it from another angle: you, Thunder, have had access to roads and bridges and teachers and courts and all the other wonders of government that supposedly constitute help in the formation of business, so why dont you run your own business? Why is anyone unemployed?

Government can facilitate business just as it can hinder it, but it is not the driving force behind the creation of business. That comes from the individual.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

no, you are lying about what he said.

and Im sure you are aware of this.

I see you've slipped into something more comfortable, denial. :thumbs:

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Judging from your name, you may not speak English well, but it's plain as day in his speech:

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Care to admit that you were wrong?

So Obama did or didn't say this? You tell me. Yes or no.

If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

I see you've slipped into something more comfortable, denial. :thumbs:

no, I simply honestly read Obama's quote, and don't feel the need to lie about it.

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

So Obama did or didn't say this? You tell me. Yes or no.

can you accept that they were his words but he actually meant something else?

 

[whysoserious]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

So Obama did or didn't say this? You tell me. Yes or no.

Yes, that's one part of the sentence. You are conveniently leaving out the rest of it, where he says that we succeed due to our initiative as well. Is it that hard to understand?

 

[Luna Tick]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

nice try..he is a Kenyan.. does that bother you?

He's not a Kenyan, but you're a racist. Just go ahead and call him a ni__er. Your irrational rants and inaccurate babble have already given you away. Just use that N word. You know it's burning in your heart to do so. Don't worry. We'll still love you.

 

[Luna Tick]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

FactCheck.org : Obama’s Kenyan Citizenship?

Gosh darn facts, turns out he is actually an American.

Yes, gosh darn facts. They get in the way for the hateful so often. They still need a substitute for the word "ni__er," which has become so disreputable, and Kenyan does nicely.

 

[Romulus]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Yes, gosh darn facts. They get in the way for the hateful so often. They still need a substitute for the word "ni__er," which has become so disreputable, and Kenyan does nicely.

I'm Scots-Irish, what are you?

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

can you accept that they were his words but he actually meant something else?

I think he made another huge blunder by what he said no matter what he meant. This seems to happen to him when he gets off script. I tend to take him literally. Like I stated previously, this thread would have never been started had it not been for that one statement.

However, it really doesn't matter what I think because I will never vote for him anyway. However, his words will matter to fence sitters and small business owners who are undecided about their presidential candidate this November.

Peace eace

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

...However, his words will matter to fence sitters and small business owners who are undecided about their presidential candidate this November...

especially when folks cherry-pick his speeches & deliberately take them out of their context.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

Yes, that's one part of the sentence. You are conveniently leaving out the rest of it, where he says that we succeed due to our initiative as well. Is it that hard to understand?

I'm really not conveniently leaving out the rest of the words. I'm just focusing on the ones that seem so unbelievable to me that he said. He has had foot-in-mouth disease often enough to give his critics the wrong impression, or I believe, what he really meant, on numerous occasions.

I know we disagree, but hey, let's face it, that's why we're here at DP. And it's fun, no?

Peace

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

especially when folks cherry-pick his speeches & deliberately take them out of their context.

sort of like the idiocy from the parasite support team over Romney's comments about firing people?

or the deliberate lies about Romney outsourcing jobs

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

especially when folks cherry-pick his speeches & deliberately take them out of their context.

I believe he believes the words he used and that's not cherry picking. Cherry picking would have been taking words or sentences out of his speech and putting them together to make it appear he did or said something he didn't do or say.


Didn't you have a field day with Romney's comments about him not being worried about the poor?

 

[Thunder]

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W

...Didn't you have a field day with Romney's comments about him not being worried about the poor?

which comment was that?