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"if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- [W:804

Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

If you don't do physical labor on a daily basis to earn your dough then you shouldn't have the right to vote. See, I can quickly disenfranchise a whole bunch of people based on an arbitrary bias as well!

If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't have a right to use public streets.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Obama is not an idiot. But he knows [who] his supporters are.

True. "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."
 
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Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Yes or no to what exactly?

Should we raise taxes on the 48% of the population (actually somewhat less) who aren't paying federal income taxes?
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't have a right to use public streets.
But that wouldn't be a problem. They could just take a helicopter to their job interview.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Should we raise taxes on the 48% of the population (actually somewhat less) who aren't paying federal income taxes?

No, we should raise taxes on everyone or no one at all.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

But that wouldn't be a problem. They could just take a helicopter to their job interview.

Nope, that requires FAA help so they can't do that either.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't have a right to use public streets.

That would be ironic -- Exxon not being able to use public streets.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Welfare |ˈwelˌfe(ə)r|: • statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need

DHHS and SSA fall under this. Total proposed outlays (White House) for DHHS: $940 Billion... and for SSA: $882 Billion. That's a total of $1.82 Trillion Obama wants to spend in 2013 for these two overarching welfare umbrellas.

Source 1 / Source 2


I don't really see any thing in there that supports your definition of welfare.

And a couple of I did notice though are:

Accelerates research on the discovery and development of new therapeutic interventions
through the National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences.

- I'm very involved in this as a patient

and:

Reduces the Disability Appeals Hearing
Backlog and Improves Customer Service.

I'm not a ****ing customer to me this was life and death.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

No, we should raise taxes on everyone or no one at all.

Jes*s Christ, it's a yes or not question -- not multiple choice.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

That would be ironic -- Exxon not being able to use public streets.

I'm all for it....if they don't pay taxes.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Jes*s Christ, it's a yes or not question -- not multiple choice.

Didn't you see the word "no" in my answer? Are we having some control issues here?

Try this one on for size: Would you support aborting 1876 black babies tommorow? Yes or No please.
 
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Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Oh brother. Really?

Yes really. Sorry if you think an election can be legitimate when the majority of people are disenfranchised, but I guess I'm just a stickler like that. The Founding Fathers presided over an oligarchy more resembling modern-day Russia, than a republic like modern-day America. Although actually, Putin's Russia is far more representative and inclusive of its people than Washington's America ever was.

These people were not demigods handing down eternal wisdom from on high...they were just some dudes with funny wigs who won a majority of votes from other dudes with funny wigs, trying to create a new form of government and making tons of mistakes along the way. As such, I see no reason to pay them any particular attention, except as a historical curiosity. In the time that the US has actually represented its people (i.e. since 1965), it has never elected a government espousing anything resembling the Founding Fathers' ideas. That should tell you something about both the legitimacy and the practicality of those ideas in the modern world.

That's the point. The socialist President (Obama) is trying to make moral justifications for what amounts to government sanctioned robbery.

:roll:
 
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Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Welfare |ˈwelˌfe(ə)r|: • statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need

DHHS and SSA fall under this. Total proposed outlays (White House) for DHHS: $940 Billion... and for SSA: $882 Billion. That's a total of $1.82 Trillion Obama wants to spend in 2013 for these two overarching welfare umbrellas.

Source 1 / Source 2

Determining what is Welfare and what isn't is actually tricky business because there is actually, as I am sure you are aware, no such thing as a WELFARE category in the federal budget.
Let's take your examples for starters.
Many people, and with good reason, would not count the SSA as "welfare" because it actually comes from payroll taxes, not income taxes, and all people, regardless of economic standing get money from it.
You also mentioned DHHS. Once again, many of the services provided by DHHS benefit everyone and are not dependent on your being poor. The Food and Drug Administration, for example, falls under the umbrella of HHS. So does the National Institutes of Health. So does Medicare(not just for the poor). Most conservatives criticize "welfare" because it goes to poor people, but they are often very eager to take agencies like the DHHS and claim all of that funding is going to poor people when, in fact, much of their funding goes to help all of us, regardless of economic standing.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

That would be ironic -- Exxon not being able to use public streets.
Well said.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Welfare |ˈwelˌfe(ə)r|: • statutory procedure or social effort designed to promote the basic physical and material well-being of people in need

DHHS and SSA fall under this. Total proposed outlays (White House) for DHHS: $940 Billion... and for SSA: $882 Billion. That's a total of $1.82 Trillion Obama wants to spend in 2013 for these two overarching welfare umbrellas.

Source 1 / Source 2

And one other thing, while we're on the subject of "overarching welfare umbrellas". I was the beneficiary of some of the HHS programs that you so eagerly want to sweep under the rug. I went to Head Start(oooo, evil Headstart that works with poor families and their children to provide preschool literacy training, basic medical training and square meals to children of poor families). My parents also briefly accepted Food Stamps when I was young. My parents are quite successful now, and I'll bet you I attended and graduated from a better college than most of the people you know. But I guess in your world, the government was wasting its money when it chose to spend some of it on me and my parents when we were poor because, after all, we are all lazy leeches.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Not really, it was a pretty pathetic point actually.
Nope it was funny and a pretty damn good retort to your conservative drivel if truth be it known. And, in answer to your question, Exxon didn't pay taxes in the US. So why don't you go pick on Exxon for a bit instead of pissing on the poor and underprivileged.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

And one other thing, while we're on the subject of "overarching welfare umbrellas". I was the beneficiary of some of the HHS programs that you so eagerly want to sweep under the rug. I went to Head Start(oooo, evil Headstart that works with poor families and their children to provide preschool literacy training, basic medical training and square meals to children of poor families). My parents also briefly accepted Food Stamps when I was young. My parents are quite successful now, and I'll bet you I attended and graduated from a better college than most of the people you know. But I guess in your world, the government was wasting its money when it chose to spend some of it on me and my parents when we were poor because, after all, we are all lazy leeches.

And now you are here posting on the "internetz" in a lucid manner. :)
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

gee did you read the title of this thread?
This is what President Obama said in context:

"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He was referencing roads and bridges not business
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Didn't you see the word "no" in my answer? Are we having some control issues here?

Try this one on for size: Would you support aborting 1876 black babies tommorow? Yes or No please.

I would support the rights of 1,876 black mothers to abort their unborn children if they decided that was the best decision for them. So if that is what you meant when you posed the question, then the answer is YES.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

And one other thing, while we're on the subject of "overarching welfare umbrellas". I was the beneficiary of some of the HHS programs that you so eagerly want to sweep under the rug. I went to Head Start(oooo, evil Headstart that works with poor families and their children to provide preschool literacy training, basic medical training and square meals to children of poor families). My parents also briefly accepted Food Stamps when I was young. My parents are quite successful now, and I'll bet you I attended and graduated from a better college than most of the people you know. But I guess in your world, the government was wasting its money when it chose to spend some of it on me and my parents when we were poor because, after all, we are all lazy leeches.

The programs are turning us all into lazy leeches. That is the effect they have over time. Hell 90% of the hard right conservatives I've talked to about Social Security falsely believe it's "their" money they're getting back, and want it to be dismantled ONLY after they get what they claim is "theirs." And many of them will accept Medicare. It's not theirs, though, of course. It is "leeched" off of the current workforce, and whenever there are shortfalls between revenues and outlays, we borrow to fill the gap.

Economically, most of us are pretty stupid. Americans I mean. But when it comes to organizing ourselves and meeting our own needs in the absence of a sugar daddy federal government, I have a lot of faith we would pull it off, that no one would literally starve, and we would rediscover the meaning of small tight-knit communities that come together for common causes. We can still promote our general welfare without Federal Welfare. We would survive. Big corporations, however, probably wouldn't. And that's who D.C. is really trying to protect with these policies. A dependent class preserves the income streams of the elite class.
 
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Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

This is what President Obama said in context:

"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He was referencing roads and bridges not business

exactly. Kinda' sad how many conservatives are trying to twist his words.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

The programs are turning us all into lazy leeches.

Absolute bull ****. The programs are designed to turn people in to healthy productive people that contribute to society.
 
Re: "if you own a business, you didn't build it. Somebody else made that happe" -- O

Absolute bull ****. The programs are designed to turn people in to healthy productive people that contribute to society.

That might be their political motto, but what I described is their unintended effect, at best, or an intentional preservation of the dominance of the elite classes, at worst.
 
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