If we legalized pot just think of all the great Prog Rock.

[James D Hill]

You should have stopped there. With very few notable exceptions, I can't think of any druggie musician that ever made anything that was worth listening to with a sober ear.

Have you ever seen a TV show called Elementary? Your remark reminds me of scene from an episode of that show.

The premise of the show overall is to reimagine Sherlock Holmes as a recovering drug addict living in New York City.

In one episode, his former drug dealer, seeking help from him, tries to get him to go back to using cocaine, claiming that he was sharper of mind when he was on that drug, and suggesting that in going clean, he had lost his edge.

Not to cite that show of proof of anything, but your remark about former druggie musicians failing to produce good music after they went clean reminded me of that episode, and the point of view expressed by the drug dealer.

What about Pink Floyd? One of the best selling bands ever and driven by the marijuana culture. Yes the best musicians in rock music bar none with 100 million album sales and driven by the pot culture. Pot took song writing from the same old baby I love you **** to Concept albums Like Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick,Genesis The Lamb lies down on Broadway or Pink Floyds The Wall. If you want to listen to romantic puke all your life then go ahead but I live something a little more creative than Baby I love you.

 

[James D Hill]

Really?

Didn't know people still go around saying nonsense like that. Shame.


Rap is fantastic.

Rap is non musical ****. You tell me one good Rap guitarist,drummer or musician at all. How many rap guitarist do you see in Guitar Player Magizine? None.

 

[James D Hill]

You have never heard of Richard Thompson? Holy Crap. He's a muslim now but he was the driving force behind Fairport Convention. His record, Shoot out the lights with his former wife Linda was rated one of the top 10 for the entire 1980s-right behind classics such as London Calling, Purple Rain, Remain in Light and Graceland. He is constantly ranked one of the 20 greatest rock guitarists of all time

I have listened to Fairport Convention and yes he is great. Kind of folkie stuff but I do love good accoustic. Ian Anderson loved those guys.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Here you go again. Come on dude, enough is enough. Make a thread about something other then pot, PLEASE.

Pot is the new gay.

 

[WCH]

Really. I love the blues. Metal and hard rock owe a great debt to the blues. Blus boogy is what helped creat bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd,ZZ Top,Blue Oyster Cult,Edgar Winters and many others. Remember the Blues and Jaz scene was into drugs long before the folkies turned on the rockers to drugs.

Don't get me wrong, I grew up near Austin TX. (so-called music capital of the world) My Wife is the biggest SR Vaughn fan ever.

Blues IS the basis for nearly all modern music including country. It's just the slow stuff is my least favorite. I pretty much like all forms of music.

Here's a new group you might like (well I say new) They're playing in Austin this week, IIRC

429 Records - The Rides

 

[James D Hill]

What is it with White Liberals and saying this ****.

The reason I hate rap is the fact it does not respect musicianship. Other forms of Back music does like the Blues,Jazz or funk which I love. Rap is like taking the simplistic punk attitude and taking away any musicianship at all. I also hate the in you face,rude keepijg it real attitude. Yes metal was in your face but you never saw Ozzy jumping in front of Taylor Swift and making an ass out of himself like Conyea West did. It is not only **** music but it brings out my inner KKK and I am a liberal. Is it any wonder blavck leaders like Jessie Jackson,Bill Cosby or Al Sharpton all hate rap music. To qoute Jessie Jackson " We spent 30 years to bury those Sterio types and Rap music proves them all to be true" Even metal music did not call women whores or bitches. Even the most satanic metal like King Diamond does not use the F word or talk about shooting cops. Yes Rap is ****.

 

[James D Hill]

Don't get me wrong, I grew up near Austin TX. (so-called music capital of the world) My Wife is the biggest SR Vaughn fan ever.

Blues IS the basis for nearly all modern music including country. It's just the slow stuff is my least favorite. I pretty much like all forms of music.

Here's a new group you might like (well I say new) They're playing in Austin this week, IIRC

429 Records - The Rides

Thank you. See even though we go at it politically music brings us all together. Do you like good metal? King Diamond lives in Dallas. Funny the Godfather of Satanic metal lives in the bible belt. He is on Roadrunner records which is in Dalles.

 

[James D Hill]

Pot is the new gay.

Funny you say that. Both gay rights and the marijuana legalization movement are making big headway and peoples attitudes torards both are changing big time. That is great is it not.

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Funny you say that. Both gay rights and the marijuana legalization movement are making big headway and peoples attitudes torards both are changing big time. That is great is it not.

I actually overheard someone say it at a bar and thought it was funny - and apropos.

 

[James D Hill]

etween God and them

I actually overheard someone say it at a bar and thought it was funny - and apropos.

It is only right my friend. Why should we be slaves to moral crusaders who don't even follow what the bible teches. Judge not or you will be judged. Pot has had a smear campain from hell aimed at it. It makes you stupid (what about booze? Does it make you smart). It makes you unsafe in the workplace which is a crock. Just because it stays in your blood 28 days does not mean you are hight that whole time. The issues with gays is between God and them. They vote for my side so I defend them.

 

[instagramsci]

It is not only **** music but it brings out my inner KKK.

You've got issues dude

 

[Surtr]

And if you legalized drugs and prostitution those thugs would have to go to work and stop shooting each other. You can not stop people from sinning so it is best to be pragmatic,accept it and put the criminals out of business.

That wouldn't even begin to address the problem. They don't intentionally target police and white people just because pot is illegal.

 

[instagramsci]

Rap is non musical ****. You tell me one good Rap guitarist,drummer or musician at all. How many rap guitarist do you see in Guitar Player Magizine? None.

Rappers compose. They know how to read music.

 

[Surtr]

Prog never died out on Italy,Sweden,Norway,France or Japan. Just think of the 70's and al the great rock music that was driven by the pot culture. Led Zep,Pink Floyd,Yes,ELP,Genlel Giant,Jethro Tull,The Moody Blues,King Crimson,Rush,Styx or Kansas. It was by far the most creative era both in musicianship and ideas and yes it was all driven by pot smokers.

That wasn't even close to the height of music, and with the exception of a few songs from LZ and PF, all that crap is garbage.

Yes the Rap culture and dance music freaks like drugs too but from the low quality music you sure can't tell.

Look at you, all high and mighty, judging other types of music immediately after demonstrating your own poor musical tastes.

 

[Tigger]

Tigger my friend. Even in your redneck filter you can not deny the change in the arts when the drug culture became more prominant. Music went from the same old I love you BS to the Grat Gig In the Sky by Pink Floyd. Movies went from a bunch of redneck cowboys shooting each other to Star wars ot The Lord of the Rings. All a major inprovment. The biggest thing is all you moralist are now the minority and that is the best thing of all.

Check out when Mr Tolkien wrote those books.

We may be the minority by number but I'm pretty sure we are the ones much more willing to use violence to solve the problem.

 

[Van Basten]

Rap is non musical ****. You tell me one good Rap guitarist,drummer or musician at all. How many rap guitarist do you see in Guitar Player Magizine? None.

Doesn't fit your tastes = is non musical ****.

You're so insightful.

None?

As for Hip Hop-centric drummers. Tony Royster Jr is one of the best drummers on the planet, only, IMO, bested by good old David Weckl. There's dozens of talented drummers in the hip hop world, that can best anything most of these boring rock drummers throw out. One other famous talent would be Questlove.

Here's a small chunk: Hip Hop Drummers & R&B Drummers | Zildjian

I can tell you're clueless. It would be best that you don't go around talking about things you know nothing about. I'm not gonna bother with you any further, it's not good for my health. Don't choose to be ignorant. Rap haters are hilarious, really.

 

[HumanBeing]

Check out when Mr Tolkien wrote those books.

We may be the minority by number but I'm pretty sure we are the ones much more willing to use violence to solve the problem.

There is quite a lot of speculation that Tolkien used mushrooms and weed from time to time. He was known for smoking a pipe, though it's not well documented what he smoked in it. He did however specify that Gandalf smoked "pipeweed".

If you can't see the blindingly obvious reference to the perils of drug addiction with Golem and the ring, then you should read it again.....

 

[James D Hill]

That wouldn't even begin to address the problem. They don't intentionally target police and white people just because pot is illegal.

Pot is not the issue. Crack and smack are the issue and if legalized tjhe shooting would stop.

 

[James D Hill]

Doesn't fit your tastes = is non musical ****.

You're so insightful.

None?

As for Hip Hop-centric drummers. Tony Royster Jr is one of the best drummers on the planet, only, IMO, bested by good old David Weckl. There's dozens of talented drummers in the hip hop world, that can best anything most of these boring rock drummers throw out. One other famous talent would be Questlove.

Here's a small chunk: Hip Hop Drummers & R&B Drummers | Zildjian

I can tell you're clueless. It would be best that you don't go around talking about things you know nothing about. I'm not gonna bother with you any further, it's not good for my health. Don't choose to be ignorant. Rap haters are hilarious, really.

John Bohnem,Niel Pert,Bill Bruford,Carl Palmer,Barrymore Barlow,Micheal Pertney,Kieth Moon,Alan White and many more rock drummers are dominate. Rap has a steady beat so how in the hell can groove driven music match complex prog rock? It does not and you know it. Any music with a sready 4/4 beat is limited by the groove. That is fact.

 

[James D Hill]

Check out when Mr Tolkien wrote those books.

We may be the minority by number but I'm pretty sure we are the ones much more willing to use violence to solve the problem.

Is that moral? I think not. Using the gun to push morality is not moral my friend.

 

[James D Hill]

That wasn't even close to the height of music, and with the exception of a few songs from LZ and PF, all that crap is garbage.


Look at you, all high and mighty, judging other types of music immediately after demonstrating your own poor musical tastes.

The 70's rock is the best by far my friend. Any music that is driven by a steady beat is simple and boring.

 

[James D Hill]

You've got issues dude

I do but liking rap music is not one of those.

 

[The Baron]

Prog rock is the best rock. It has the very best musicians like Rick Wakeman,Kieth Emerson,Robert Fripp,Steve Howe,Bill Bruford and Chris Squire. Prog rock was hated by the simple minded punk rock idiots because it was so hard to play. That is why Sid Vicious had I hate Pink Floyd or I hate Yes tee shirts. Pot does help to make great rock music. Just look at the Beatles Hard Days Night compared to Help,Rubber Soul or Revolver. It was pot that made for the big improvment. Dylan turned them on to pot in 1965 and the rest is history.

What's the old joke? A bunch of hippies run out of pot at a Grateful Dead concert and once they all said "this band sux!"

And that is my exact view on pot and prog rock.

 

[James D Hill]

What's the old joke? A bunch of hippies run out of pot at a Grateful Dead concert and once they all said "this band sux!"

And that is my exact view on pot and prog rock.

Prog rock is the most complicated and the hardest to play of any rock genre. I love classical music and bands like The Moody Blues,King Crimson,Yes,Early Genesis or ELP took classical lushness and added rock power without all that "Baby I love you" crap that has been done millions of times before. Not all prog is great but niether is any other form of music.

 

[James D Hill]

Rappers compose. They know how to read music.

You can't prove that by the quality of their music. It is funny we agree on so many political issues my friend but we fight on this one. I stil respect you and agree with you almost all of the time. I am sure not all Rap is **** but you have to admit when you see a video of a bunch of gold teeth,baggy pants goons bragging about how much money they make,how many hoes they screw and how bad they are the first word that comes to mind is moron's. Don't deny it. Yes there is some bad rock out there too.