If Nancy is doing her job and Donald is doing his...

[Middle_Ground]

Will the government ever open again?

My thought is Nancy and Chuck are doing exactly what 53 million Americans that voted in the midterms want them to do.

While Donald is doing what 62 million Americans that voted in 2016 wanted him to do.

How can this ever end without either sides feeling as if they got burnt?
I don't know the answer but what I do know is we need to pay the people that are working on our behalf and those that can not get jobs due to their government contract anything else is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on this?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Will the government ever open again?

My thought is Nancy and Chuck are doing exactly what 53 million Americans that voted in the midterms want them to do.

While Donald is doing what 62 million Americans that voted in 2016 wanted him to do.

How can this ever end without either sides feeling as if they got burnt?
I don't know the answer but what I do know is we need to pay the people that are working on our behalf and those that can not get jobs due to their government contract anything else is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on this?

The problem is that Donald has had 2 years to do what the Americans who voted for him wanted him to do. They either squandered that time, or probably more accurately, simply pissed it away because they never intended to do it to begin with. The time has come for them to recognize that the public has spoken and given Nancy the power she has now, and get over themselves.

You are correct though.....we need to get people paid before this starts having long term affects on peoples lives.

 

[Bullseye]

Will the government ever open again?

My thought is Nancy and Chuck are doing exactly what 53 million Americans that voted in the midterms want them to do.

While Donald is doing what 62 million Americans that voted in 2016 wanted him to do.

How can this ever end without either sides feeling as if they got burnt?
I don't know the answer but what I do know is we need to pay the people that are working on our behalf and those that can not get jobs due to their government contract anything else is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on this?

If I were the Dems I'd counter-offer $5 bill for the wall and fund the other proposals Trump mentioned in return for permanent DACA relieve. I tend to think that or something like that is what Trump has in mind.

 

[madasheck]

Will the government ever open again?

My thought is Nancy and Chuck are doing exactly what 53 million Americans that voted in the midterms want them to do.

While Donald is doing what 62 million Americans that voted in 2016 wanted him to do.

How can this ever end without either sides feeling as if they got burnt?
I don't know the answer but what I do know is we need to pay the people that are working on our behalf and those that can not get jobs due to their government contract anything else is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on this?

Donald isn't doing a thing, really. He's been b.s.ing in the White House since day one. Nancy and Chuck, on the other hand, aren't fooling around.

 

[EnigmaO01]

If I were the Dems I'd counter-offer $5 bill for the wall and fund the other proposals Trump mentioned in return for permanent DACA relieve. I tend to think that or something like that is what Trump has in mind.

Was already offered and Trump refused it. In fact it was a better offer than the 5 billion but he blew it as he's not a negotiator. He's a failed businessman that has gone bankrupt numerous times. He's a fraud. He didn't even write the art of the deal.

Two problems with giving Trump what he wants

1. He isn't reliable and changes his mind at the last second.

2. We will be right back here again in the future.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Will the government ever open again?

My thought is Nancy and Chuck are doing exactly what 53 million Americans that voted in the midterms want them to do.

While Donald is doing what 62 million Americans that voted in 2016 wanted him to do.

How can this ever end without either sides feeling as if they got burnt?
I don't know the answer but what I do know is we need to pay the people that are working on our behalf and those that can not get jobs due to their government contract anything else is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on this?

The only way the government is going to reopen is for McConnell to put a bill on the floor to vote on that was already passed previously and on it's way to being signed until Lardass and the Adams apple lady open their traps. At some point republicans in the senate have to become desperate enough to override a presidential veto.

Trump and Pelosi aren't budging.

 

[DoLoop]

Was already offered and Trump refused it. In fact it was a better offer than the 5 billion but he blew it as he's not a negotiator. He's a failed businessman that has gone bankrupt numerous times. He's a fraud. He didn't even write the art of the deal.

Two problems with giving Trump what he wants

1. He isn't reliable and changes his mind at the last second.

2. We will be right back here again in the future.

Exactly. Trump had $25 billion in hand in return for DACA. Now he's stuck with maybe offering up DACA for $5 billion.

The reality is that people who start off earning $200,000 a year when they're three years old and receive 10s, if not 100s of millions of dollars from the father in either payouts or rescue payments are by and large really ****ty negotiators.

We knew that in October, 2016.

Nothing has changed.

 

[Bullseye]

Was already offered and Trump refused it.

When?

In fact it was a better offer than the 5 billion but he blew it as he's not a negotiator. He's a failed businessman that has gone bankrupt numerous times. He's a fraud. He didn't even write the art of the deal.

Two problems with giving Trump what he wants

1. He isn't reliable and changes his mind at the last second.

2. We will be right back here again in the future.

Ok, I can't argument against idiotic Trumpophobia.

 

[Hawkeye10]

When?

Ok, I can't argument against idiotic Trumpophobia.

One hopes that English is not your first language, because this is not correct.

 

[Mizzy22]

If I were the Dems I'd counter-offer $5 bill for the wall and fund the other proposals Trump mentioned in return for permanent DACA relieve. I tend to think that or something like that is what Trump has in mind.

Trump has nothing in mind but to try to get the spotlight off his crimes

 

[bullseyelqcs]

When?

Ok, I can't argument against idiotic Trumpophobia.

Please tell me its not standard procedure to call the mans factually provable screwups Trumpophobia around here.

 

[Parrish]

3 million more votes for the Dem in 2016. Pretty obvious.

 

[Bullseye]

Please tell me its not standard procedure to call the mans factually provable screwups Trumpophobia around here.

Not sure one Trumpophobe can see the errors another makes.

 

[Bullseye]

One hopes that English is not your first language, because this is not correct.

LOL, when all else fail trot out the person attacks, eh? You can't argue about that.

 

[madasheck]

Trump has nothing in mind but to try to get the spotlight off his crimes

Exactly. That's what most of his theatrics are about these days.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Not sure one Trumpophobe can see the errors another makes.

What did he say that wasn't factual? There was no mistake.

For God's sake man.....he torpedoed his OWN party not that long ago. If that isn't unreliable, I'm not sure what is. The crazy part about it.....they gave him what he wanted before he drove the bus over them.

 

[Bullseye]

What did he say that wasn't factual? There was no mistake.

For God's sake man.....he torpedoed his OWN party not that long ago. If that isn't unreliable, I'm not sure what is. The crazy part about it.....they gave him what he wanted before he drove the bus over them.

LOL, you're an embarrassment to the bullseye clan. :lamo

 

[bullseyelqcs]

LOL, you're an embarrassment to the bullseye clan. :lamo

I'll take your lack of comment as a tacit admission that you have nothing valuable to add.

What I said was factually accurate, and the above was your weak response. Talk about being an embarrassment....

 

[Middle_Ground]

The only way the government is going to reopen is for McConnell to put a bill on the floor to vote on that was already passed previously and on it's way to being signed until Lardass and the Adams apple lady open their traps. At some point republicans in the senate have to become desperate enough to override a presidential veto.

Trump and Pelosi aren't budging.

When do you think that will happen before or after some horrific event?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Will the government ever open again?

My thought is Nancy and Chuck are doing exactly what 53 million Americans that voted in the midterms want them to do.

While Donald is doing what 62 million Americans that voted in 2016 wanted him to do.

How can this ever end without either sides feeling as if they got burnt?
I don't know the answer but what I do know is we need to pay the people that are working on our behalf and those that can not get jobs due to their government contract anything else is ridiculous.
What are your thoughts on this?

My thought is that all 62 million Trump voters aren't behind him on the shutdown.
The hardcore base is, but I think that's about it, if the numbers are any indication.
And in a few weeks, even some in the hardcore base are going to feel the sting big time.

 

[Middle_Ground]

The problem is that Donald has had 2 years to do what the Americans who voted for him wanted him to do. They either squandered that time, or probably more accurately, simply pissed it away because they never intended to do it to begin with. The time has come for them to recognize that the public has spoken and given Nancy the power she has now, and get over themselves.

You are correct though.....we need to get people paid before this starts having long term affects on peoples lives.

I agree they did have 2 years and there wasn't even a bill brought to the floor of either house until after the midterms.
But we've passed that point so what now?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Was already offered and Trump refused it. In fact it was a better offer than the 5 billion but he blew it as he's not a negotiator. He's a failed businessman that has gone bankrupt numerous times. He's a fraud. He didn't even write the art of the deal.

Two problems with giving Trump what he wants

1. He isn't reliable and changes his mind at the last second.

2. We will be right back here again in the future.

One shutdown per month minimum if he wins this one.
The list of things he is willing to do a shutdown for is practically endless.

 

[Middle_Ground]

If I were the Dems I'd counter-offer $5 bill for the wall and fund the other proposals Trump mentioned in return for permanent DACA relieve. I tend to think that or something like that is what Trump has in mind.

If that's what he was thinking why did he not say it in his big Saturday speech. Instead he offered some temporary bull****. Yo yoing people lives.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Please tell me its not standard procedure to call the mans factually provable screwups Trumpophobia around here.

It IS "standard procedure to call the mans factually provable screwups Trumpophobia around here."
Sorry.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

I agree they did have 2 years and there wasn't even a bill brought to the floor of either house until after the midterms.
But we've passed that point so what now?

Simple....Donald now gets to accept that fact that the time for his "mandate", whatever that may have been, is over. He now needs to do something he has never been able to do, and that is actually negotiate. Fat chance of that actually happening, but its whats gonna have to happen. The new mandate was that they no longer get total control and don't get to call all the shots anymore. If they don't, its almost a guarantee it doesn't end well for the next group of Senators up for reelection.