If I was a black person in America

[post]

You say one thing, and then say another.
Yes they are grateful that the lost to a benevolent opponent, they can also look at that through the lens of what we have done since then to help them.

Contrast that to the US. and slavery.
Can they not be grateful that they were slaves here, that were freed and helped since then?

Why should anyone be grateful for a history of murder, torture and discrimination for hundreds of years?

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[mrjurrs]

False comparison. Would you rather be living and working in Ghana or America?

Would you rather be black or white in America? What about in Ghana?

 

[mrjurrs]

Can't change history. In the here and now everyone has equality of opportunity. Chinese, Irish etc in America faced all tne discrimination post slavery blacks did and they have done rather well for themselves.

There are none so blind as those unwilling to see. Please provide any economic measurement that shows Americans that are black equal to Americans that are white...

 

[vegas giants]

Can't change history. In the here and now everyone has equality of opportunity. Chinese, Irish etc in America faced all tne discrimination post slavery blacks did and they have done rather well for themselves.

It's not equal opportunity when some people start with a huge advantage gained from generational wealth earned by discrimination

 

[NuffSaid]

Oh yeah, the South wanted all those former slaves to have full voting rights, just like they did during the Civil Rights Era. Revisionist much?

Well, see, the reason WHY southerners wanted to count slaves as whole people was because of one reason:

Increase their number of members of Congress.

Nothing like taking advantage of one part of the population, even though slaves couldn't vote.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

In addition to your effort to rehabilitate the white exploitation of peoples dismissed as of inferior race, incentivized by white grievance you appear to wear on your sleeve, indicated by making the argument you attempt to make in your OP and in your subsequent posts (your "whaling ships" point is irrelevant diversion...) you unintentionally make a similar cynical argument as the U.S. government pleaded before the SCOTUS 180 years ago...

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"...The Supreme Court also rejected a fairly novel argument by the United States. The U.S. argued that the Africans should not be freed because, in commanding a slave ship and piloting it into the United States, the Africans violated the laws of the United States forbidding slave trade. The Supreme Court stated that the slaves could not "possibly intend to import themselves into the United States as slaves, or for sale as slaves."

Once the Supreme Court finally affirmed the freedom of the slaves, they sailed back to Africa on the ship Gentleman. Public documents from the National Archives and Records Administration ..."

I've explicitly stated slavery was an unforgivable evil around the world. That said, today's blacks in America are here instead of Ghana because of it. Question is if they could turn back the clock and make it so somehow slavery in America never happened knowing that would mean they would be dirt poor in Ghana today would they opt to change history?

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

It's not equal opportunity when some people start with a huge advantage gained from generational wealth earned by discrimination

Who started with a huge advantage? Every new group of immigrants faced decades of discrimination.

 

[vegas giants]

Who started with a huge advantage? Every new group of immigrants faced decades of discrimination.

White people in this country were able to build generational wealth earned from discrimination


Deny that

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

There are none so blind as those unwilling to see. Please provide any economic measurement that shows Americans that are black equal to Americans that are white...

You are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome of that opportunity. A common error of those with a Marxist leaning

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

White people in this country were able to build generational wealth earned from discrimination


Deny that

Some yes others no. My mom grew up in a coal company town. My dad on a share cropper farm.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Can't change history. In the here and now everyone has equality of opportunity. Chinese, Irish etc in America faced all tne discrimination post slavery blacks did and they have done rather well for themselves.

To even try to assert that the rich, middle class and poor (regardless of their race/ethnicity) have the same opportunities is simply nonsense. The terms ‘generational poverty’ and ‘silver spooners’ exist for (statistically valid) reasons.

 

[post]

I've explicitly stated slavery was an unforgivable evil around the world. That said, today's blacks in America are here instead of Ghana because of it. Question is if they could turn back the clock and make it so somehow slavery in America never happened knowing that would mean they would be dirt poor in Ghana today would they opt to change history?

I'm remarking about your motivation to create this thread in the first place. It seems needy.... seeking a perverse, "pat on the back"... Why do it?

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[vegas giants]

Some yes others no. My mom grew up in a coal company town. My dad on a share cropper farm.

Many many yes. If they did not inherit money they could go to college and become a professional or open a successful business. Much much much harder for a back person to do that

 

[post]

Some yes others no. My mom grew up in a coal company town. My dad on a share cropper farm.

Did either ever fear being lynched or being pulled over by police for, "driving while black"?

I had a black friend, since passed, about 70 years of age when he shared with me in the late 1990s that he was raised in Florida and had lived in NY state for many years. He was the only black member of the largest volunteer fire department in the county and
was at the time the fire commissioner of that district, overseeing the chief of that department who had succeeded him in that
role before he was elected commissioner.

He said he had never returned to the south since leaving as a young man because the memories of the humiliation and frustration
of living under segregation in the 1930s and early 1940s influenced him to avoid the region permanently.

He died suddenly not long after our conversation and I attended his funeral. His casket was delivered to the cemetery on top of
the newest piece of firefighting equipment of the department. Ironically, he had submitted the specifications for the purchase of that truck and negotiated the price of it and delivery terms with the manufacturer.

Hundreds, including all of the volunteers and their families attended the cemetery service. The only blacks present were of his family. He couldn't choose the color of his skin or where he was born and raised, but he distanced himself as best he could from the early consequences of the random hand he was dealt.

 

[mrjurrs]

You are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome of that opportunity. A common error of those with a Marxist leaning

Equal opportunity huh? You mean like in education?

So if opportunity is equal you must have another reason why you couldn't provide an economic measurement that shows blacks on the same level as whites. Care to share?

 

[Cope]

Why should anyone be grateful for a history of murder, torture and discrimination for hundreds of years?

Because it's history. The facts of the matter are that some histories, regardless of how miserable, atrocious, or terrible, sometimes have resulted in good things coming from them.

 

[Cope]

Equal opportunity huh? You mean like in education?
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So if opportunity is equal you must have another reason why you couldn't provide an economic measurement that shows blacks on the same level as whites. Care to share?

Choice is different. Environment is different. Cultures are different.

Care to provide me with why Asians score so much higher than white folks? Why they get into all the top tier schools and everyone else suffers?

When you take out personal choice as a factor why outcomes are different, you are right, everything should be equal ...

 

[vegas giants]

Because it's history. The facts of the matter are that some histories, regardless of how miserable, atrocious, or terrible, sometimes have resulted in good things coming from them.

No one should be grateful for the horrific histories their ancestors were forced to endure.


My god that is barbaric

 

[Cope]

No one should be grateful for the horrific histories their ancestors were forced to endure.


My god that is barbaric

Good thing no one said that. Please don't quote me if you are just going to go with making up things your mind comes up with and then refer them to me.

They aren't grateful for the things they endured, they are grateful for the good things came from them.

 

[KevinKohler]

Watched this excellent documentary last night and it got me thinking if I was a black person in America I would get on my knees and thank God my ancestors were taken to America as slaves.
Before you shout "racist" watch the video and tell me you'd trade your life in America for one in Africa. Might want to quit whining and just be happy you are here.

Has it occurred to you that maybe...just maybe...if the world HADNT raped, pillaged, and enslaved the African continent (it's a continent with a multitude of countries and cultures, fyi), it WOULDNT look like it currently does?

 

[vegas giants]

Good thing no one said that. Please don't quote me if you are just going to go with making up things your mind comes up with and then refer them to me.

They aren't grateful for the things they endured, they are grateful for the good things came from them.

Nothing good comes from slavery, murder and discrimination.


The idea is barbaric

 

[Deuce]

You are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome of that opportunity. A common error of those with a Marxist leaning

No, you are confused. You think opportunity in America is equal when it is not.

 

[mrjurrs]

Choice is different. Environment is different. Cultures are different.

Care to provide me with why Asians score so much higher than white folks? Why they get into all the top tier schools and everyone else suffers?

When you take out personal choice as a factor why outcomes are different, you are right, everything should be equal ...

• Asian-American students’ academic achievement is the result of conscious choice, not genetic determination.
• Asian-American students’ academic excellence tends to mask their psychological problems, and thus we must work to acknowledge, identify, and address these problems.
• Asian-American students’ academic excellence comes at the cost of other skills and knowledge, thus we must understand the costs and realize Asian-American students are not excellent in all areas

(PDF) How Good are the Asians? Refuting Four Myths about Asian-American Academic Achievement

PDF | On Jan 1, 2009, Yong Zhao and others published How Good are the Asians? Refuting Four Myths about Asian-American Academic Achievement | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

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Am I to assume from your post that economic outcomes for Americans that are black is based solely on their choices? That you believe choices made by racial groups are the sole determinant of their economic status?

 

[VanceMack]

Equal opportunity huh? You mean like in education?
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So if opportunity is equal you must have another reason why you couldn't provide an economic measurement that shows blacks on the same level as whites. Care to share?

The absolute fact remains that black Americans DO succeed, on roughly the same level as whites...where they dont reside in the rat infested rat run shitholes that the democrats have created. 60% have achieved middle and upper income status...as long as they dont live in those shitholes. Tragically...where they DO live in those shitholes you have situations like they have found in Baltimore...a city completely governed by democrats for 6 decades...where they cant find a single student in their entire school district that can pass both a basic English and Math competency exam.

 

[mrjurrs]

The absolute fact remains that black Americans DO succeed, on roughly the same level as whites...where they dont reside in the rat infested rat run shitholes that the democrats have created. 60% have achieved middle and upper income status...as long as they dont live in those shitholes. Tragically...where they DO live in those shitholes you have situations like they have found in Baltimore...a city completely governed by democrats for 6 decades...where they cant find a single student in their entire school district that can pass both a basic English and Math competency exam.

Source for your economic claim.