Again, the tree was not on the Lebanese side, it was on an Israeli side beyond the Israeli security fence, and the Israeli action was a routine action that has happened dozens of times before (and will happen in the future) and was like always coordinated with the UNIFIL forces, which have determined that the Lebanese fire was unwarranted (I gave a link a few pages ago).
I think it's irrelevant to know where the tree was located. Even if it was on the Lebanese side, that would not have justified the shootings.
I think both sides are probably guilty: those who have started shooting, and those who have replied.
Yes we do, it is not disputed that the Lebanese have opened fire on the Israelis. The argument of the Lebanese was that Israelis have entered their territory, but that was false as well.
BBC News - Israel-Lebanon border clash kills five people
Please stick to the facts, Mira.
Even if the Lebanese version is correct they are still those at fault here. You don't shoot people because they cut a tree in your territory.
The UNIFIL soldiers that were witnessing this incident have claimed that the Lebanese fire was unwarranted.
I think the Israeli response was very weak and minimal.
A Lt. Colonel was killed by Lebanese army soldiers, while he was deep within Israeli land. You don't merely throw a few artillery shells at some Lebanese army outposts and go to sleep.
However as long as the escalation ends there, Israel shouldn't respond further.
Look carfully Apocalypse
I think the Israeli response was very weak and minimal.
A Lt. Colonel was killed by Lebanese army soldiers, while he was deep within Israeli land. You don't merely throw a few artillery shells at some Lebanese army outposts and go to sleep.
However as long as the escalation ends there, Israel shouldn't respond further.
Yes we do, it is not disputed that the Lebanese have opened fire on the Israelis. The argument of the Lebanese was that Israelis have entered their territory, but that was false as well.
BBC News - Israel-Lebanon border clash kills five people
Please stick to the facts, Mira.
Even if the Lebanese version is correct they are still those at fault here. You don't shoot people because they cut a tree in your territory.
The UNIFIL soldiers that were witnessing this incident have claimed that the Lebanese fire was unwarranted.
You see the road?
The specific road is located exactly 80 meters south from the blue line, the official border between Israel and Lebanon.
Calculate the meters from that road to the tree.
your BBC article says this:
"A Lebanese army spokesman said troops had fired warning shots and Israel had responded with fire from artillery positions and helicopters."
Yes, I agree that it's VERY stupid to fire warning shots even if the Lebanese were offended that the Israelis felt free to cut a tree on Lebanese territory.
Tell me though, how would the Israelis respond if the Lebanese cut a tree in Israel ?
Apocalyse, look carefully I said. There is a road between the fences, that's where the vehicles are and on each side of the fences is Lebanon and Israel. LOOK CAREFULLY.
Reuters said:Israel's U.N. Ambassador Daniel Carmon said the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) were carrying out "routine maintenance work" on a road 80 meters (yards) south of the Blue Line.
Notice the picture with the U.N. soldier waving a flag. exact same setting as my picture.
“It started when the Israelis wanted to cut down a tree inside Lebanon. The Lebanese Army fired warning shots at them and they responded by shelling,” said a Lebanese security source.
“An Israeli enemy patrol crossed on Tuesday the Blue Line at the Lebanese-Palestinian borders surrounding Adaysseh town,” the statement said. “The enemy’s patrol, however, went forward despite the UNIFIL’s intervention to stop it.
“Hence, the Lebanese Army confronted the enemy’s forces with weapons and rocket-propelled grenades.”
Singh told The Daily Star that UNIFIL was unaware of any coordination between Israel and its peacekeeping contingent, but stressed an investigation was ongoing.
Potentially crucial is the fact that a Beirut correspondent for Al-Jazeera reported that the Lebanese Army on Sunday rejected a request from Israel to carry out the tree cutting.
well I don't know the turf like you Mira so can't make it out so well but from that picture it does seem there is only one fence unless you call that white fence a fence!
What reason would the Lebanese have to want to provoke Israel?
There is a road between two fences where the Israelis patrol.
Lebanon has no reason and especially NO INTEREST to provoke Israel. Hizbollah did in 2006 and the country was levelled, the Lebanese army ?:doh, they never have provoked Israel I really don't see why they would now.
Witnesses said Israeli artillery also fired at the village.
Read more: The Daily Star - Politics - Lebanese, Israeli troops clash along Blue Line
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: Lebanon News :: Middle East News :: The Daily Star - Lebanon)
It certainly would seem foolish to me but apparently Israel believes that. The paper also said
Mira I am sure I have drifted on things saying that Lebanon is expecting confrontation from Israel soon. Is this true and why.
yes, I prefer not to talk about it on this forum. Anyway, I'm off to bed and off on holiday tomorrow. Hope this won't be another bloody summer
where is the buffer zone ?
What's hilarious is that Israel expects to exercise authority in the buffer zone, while condemning Lebanon for exercising jurisdiction within its territory. What Apocalypse has yet to state is that the IDF requested permission from UNIFIL to operate and do maintainence in the area, but were turned down because it would have been a violation of UNSCR 1701 (8b). Of course, Israel does not care for UN Security Council Resolutions (which is a violation of the UN Charter). How many times have Israeli warplanes trespassed into Lebanese airspace since Security Council Resolution 1701 was passed?
So that is the justification for killing people, because they stepped on someone else's territory. Sounds pretty barbaric to me. But if that works maybe Israel should just let it be known that if you kill a sodier for little justification then we will kill 100 of your soldiers.
A Canadian soldier's report from South Lebanon - CTV NewsOn 01 Feb 06, a young shepherd boy was killed by an IDF patrol near an abandon goat farm called Bastarra. Hassan Nasrallah (note: Hezbollah's leader) vowed that there would be consequences to this action. Team Sierra was tasked on 2 Feb 06, to assist in the investigation of the incident, and we sent one team to do so while the other team conducted its normal mobile patrolling activities.
That doesn't make any sense.I guess the extremist of Eco friendly people ( Green Peace) must be happy that this man lost his life over a freaking tree.
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