ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[Hamish Howl]

Other than the crime of being in the country illegally.

Being here illegally isn't a crime. Unauthorized border crossing is, but for example someone overstaying their visa faces no consequences beyond the possibility of deportation.

 

[venice_ca]

Deporting people who have no legal right to be here, is not "demonizing". It's conducting perfectly appropriate deportations.

The rhetoric accompanying the campaign for massive deportations has certainly been demonizing all those with brown skin. No effort has been made to distinguish between Mexicans who are citizens, or permanent residents, or documented from those who have no legal immigration status. Using terms such as “invasion” likens the context to a hostile action.

These individuals have been given the opportunity to leave (with transportation provided) back to the country they came from. This is not suddenly their country because they got away with entering it illegally. If, however, they do leave willingly, some of them will maintain the right to later try to enter via legal means.

What the U.S. does not offer is a reasonable path for immigration — demands for comprehensive immigration reform date back decades. There’s a lack of adequate resources to staff the current process, and courts dealing with immigration matters have tremendous backlogs.

So lack of reasonable means for immigration couples with business eagerly hiring undocumented persons and we have our current situation.

Two immediate ways to address the situation — reform our immigration processes, and punish those businesses hiring undocumented workers.

Neither of the two have happened even though both have been painfully obvious for quite some time.

Why?

 

[eohrnberger]

WHAT EXCULPATORY EVIDENCE? You couldn't invent evidence that would overcome the mountain of incriminating evidence.

This is going to be a list of citations from non-Liberal / Progressive echo chamber media reporting.
(You need to ask why the non-Liberal / Progressive echo chamber media DIDN'T highlight this side as much as they highlighted the pro-Dem side)

• Suppressed Testimony: The committee allegedly withheld testimony from Anthony Ornato, former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, who said Trump suggested deploying 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the Capitol. The report claims this contradicted the committee’s assertion that Trump “never gave any order to deploy the National Guard” (Fox News, 2024).
• Cassidy Hutchinson’s Testimony: The report alleges the committee promoted Hutchinson’s “sensational” claim that Trump lunged at his Secret Service detail, despite contradictory testimony from the driver and lead agent Robert Engel, which was not publicized.
• Deleted Records: Loudermilk claimed the committee deleted records and failed to preserve materials, hindering GOP investigations. It also alleged collusion with Fulton County DA Fani Willis to prosecute Trump.

House GOP report alleges Jan 6 committee 'deleted records and hid evidence'

Rep. Barry Loudermilk and GOP House members released a report claiming the Jan. 6 committee "deleted records" and promoted politicization following the breach of the Capitol.

www.foxnews.com

Summary: Loudermilk’s report accused the committee of withholding transcripts contradicting key claims, particularly Hutchinson’s testimony about Trump’s behavior in the motorcade. Specifics:

• Hutchinson’s Claim: Hutchinson testified Trump lunged at his Secret Service detail and grabbed the steering wheel after being told he couldn’t go to the Capitol. The committee’s report noted the driver and Engel didn’t corroborate this, stating the driver “did not recall seeing what President Trump was doing” and Engel “did not recall Trump gesturing toward him” (CNN, 2024).
• Withheld Transcripts: Republicans alleged the committee didn’t release these contradictory accounts publicly, emphasizing Hutchinson’s dramatic narrative instead. The report claims this skewed perceptions of Trump’s intent.
• Counterargument: Thompson’s spokesperson called Loudermilk’s report a deflection from Trump’s responsibility, noting the committee’s report acknowledged the discrepancies. Most witnesses described Trump as “irate” and “insistent,” supporting the broader narrative of his agitation (CNN, 2024).

House GOP alleges January 6 committee withheld transcripts that undercut some of their most explosive claims​

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/11/politics/house-gop-january-6-committee-report/

The Federalist reported on Ornato’s suppressed testimony, obtained via Loudermilk’s investigation, claiming Cheney and the committee hid evidence that Trump pushed for 10,000 National Guard troops. Details:

• Ornato’s Account: Ornato testified Meadows urged Bowser to ensure sufficient security, and Trump suggested 10,000 troops to prevent violence, not anticipating a Capitol riot (The Federalist, 2024). He also noted White House frustration with Miller’s delayed response.
• Committee’s Actions: Cheney allegedly suppressed the transcript and falsely claimed “no evidence” supported Trump’s National Guard claims. The committee’s report suggested Pentagon concerns about Trump issuing an “illegal order” were unfounded (The Federalist, 2024).
• Impact: The article argues this evidence could have exonerated Trump by showing proactive security measures, accusing Cheney of orchestrating a narrative (The Federalist, 2024).

Exclusive: Jan. 6 Committee Hid Trump-Exonerating Evidence

Cheney and her Jan. 6 committee falsely claimed they had 'no evidence' the Trump White House had asked for 10,000 National Guard troops.

thefederalist.com

 

[eohrnberger]

What hearsay? (Again, this wasn't a court of law, but I think I know where you are going here, and you are wrong.)

The article details Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony during the committee’s sixth hearing on June 28, 2022, describing it as a “big bet” due to its reliance on hearsay. Key hearsay claims include:

• Trump’s Motorcade Altercation: Hutchinson testified that Anthony Ornato, former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, told her Trump lunged at his Secret Service detail and grabbed the steering wheel of “The Beast” when refused transport to the Capitol on January 6, 2021. She also recounted Ornato’s claim that Trump was informed supporters at the Ellipse rally were armed but demanded relaxed security checks.
• Committee’s Acceptance: The committee presented Hutchinson’s account as central evidence of Trump’s intent to join the Capitol riot, despite its secondhand nature. Republicans, via the House Judiciary Committee’s Twitter (@JudiciaryGOP), called it “hearsay” and “a joke,” arguing it lacked corroboration from direct witnesses like the driver or lead agent Robert Engel (Politico, 2022).
• Lack of Pushback: The article notes limited substantive Republican rebuttal to Hutchinson’s specific claims, with Trump dismissing them as false on Truth Social. However, the committee’s final report acknowledged Ornato and Engel didn’t corroborate the lunging incident, suggesting the committee initially accepted Hutchinson’s account without direct confirmation (CNN, 2022).

(Again, need to ask why the non-Liberal / Progressive echo chamber media DIDN'T highlight this side as much as they highlighted the pro-Dem side)

 

[eohrnberger]

They had tons of evidence that led them to their conclusions.

All you have is highly partisan "skepticism".

Not so much, per my previous 2 posts.

This wasn't a difficult call. trump was on his way to being convicted in court before he ran out the clock.

 

[Uncensored2008]

 

[eohrnberger]

You guys are building a lot of your arguments on trump's win, instead of directly addressing the issues. What does it prove?

That 80 million voters were idiots?

According to the left any vote not for the Democrat candidate is an idiot voting.
We've been hearing this since the latter part of Trumps first presidential campaign, and again in his second campaign, and still more in his third campaign.

Every election has a lot of voters on the losing end, it doesn't mean they made a bad choice, nor does winning mean you made a good choice.

The Hitler comparison is there because he is a pretty undeniable example of an authoritarian. You squeal at the comparison, but won't debate the reasons they are compared.

Because the comparison is utter partisan bullshit and political propaganda.

Yeah, at trump's direction. So what?

Is this just simply assumed? Because from what I recall of the reportage of this at the time, there was no clear direction form Trump for Cohen to do this that way.
Further, you really want to hang the credibility of this assertion with Cohen's history, his perjury and all?

Not nearly two months.

What does a 2 month time frame have to do with an obvious 'work around' the law?

And work-arounds are perfectly legal.

I've made no claim that it wasn't.

Planning of the January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Citing a known left leaning source with unknown unaccountable editors? OK. You go with that.

You are "skeptical" to the point of absurdity. No evidence is ever enough for you.

This clearly projection.

You eat up the right-wing narrative with the best of them.

Meh. It might appear so, but then again, the Dem's compliant and complicit MSM propagandists have lied so often to have turned themselves into a joke. The electorate have caught on, and simply don't give those media outlets any credibility, and in fact are starting to hate them, which is fully justified as it is self-inflicted.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Surely you remember that the Supreme Court reviewed the law enacted by that initiative (Save Our State) and declared it unconstitutional.

If by the "supreme court" you mean the notorious 9th circuit - I remember. A boot to the face of democracy. That's what democrats offer the nation.

All that prejudicial ramped up by Wilson inspired Latino activists to voter registration drives in their communities, and for permanent residents to apply for citizenship in order to vote.

Yet you lost. But instead of accepting the will of the people, you overruled democracy.

No evidence has been presented that California elections have been rigged. If there were evidence, the CA GOP would be filing lawsuits. Unless you maintain that the CA GOP is incompetent.

ROFL

After Newsom had comfortably won an election there was little expectation that a recall would be successful. Do you not remember the anger at millions of CA tax dollars being wasted on a recall election that was doomed to fail?

Yet it was. It was only the rigging of top vote getter that kept him in office. The majority of voters chose to recall him. But once again the party rigged the election so that instead of a recall, there had to be a majority replacement.

So by maintaining — twice — that the LAPD is corrupt, you are effectively refuting your claim that reforms were made prior to the department being brought under a federal consent decree.

Nonsense. Significant reforms have been made.

Funny, I remember a report by Amnesty International on abuses by the LAPD; that’s how bad the situation was before the Dept of Justice was involved.

AI has no credibility. What they claim is irrelevant.

I support the rule of law, by federal, state, and municipal governments, and by those living in the U.S.

Clearly not - as you support this insurrection.

Government institutions calling for the law to be respected must themselves respect our laws.

The city of Los Angeles and the State of California are breaking federal law, wantonly.

I support those who choose non-violent civil disobedience.

Non-violent...

Attacks on persons, whether in uniform or civilian, are unacceptable.

Then you condemn this insurrection - that you are supporting.

I support the first amendment — any flag may be seen in public.

Okay. Still when you wave the Hamas flag, or the Mexican flag at a riot - it has significant meaning. The Brown Shirts of your party in Los Angeles wave both.

I don’t remember any handwringing when the Pahlavi Iranian lion-and-scimitar flag was present at demonstrations.

When was this? And the insurrection is not a "demonstration" but violent rioting.

Hyperbole acknowledged.
We shall see.

4 out of 5 Americans agree, democrats suck.

 

[eohrnberger]

Yes I am.

So go ahead and cite those videos.

——

Oh wait, I can cite when you tried peddling that claim before, when you claimed you saw a broadcast video that showed police holding open doors and inviting them into the building.

That was a lie.

Here you go, here’s the link:

Post in thread 'Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from 2024 ballot, pauses ruling to allow appeal'

Dec 31, 2023

Really? You sure easily swallowed whole this whopper of a lie.

I saw the broadcast video where capitol police opened capital door and invited people in on Jan 1/6. Yes.

• eohrnberger

• 

You placed a bad bet.

A media coalition that includes BuzzFeed News had petitioned the court to make the footage public, but that became moot once the government no longer opposed it.)

Here are key moments from the 40 minutes of footage. The full videos are also available below

New Capitol Surveillance Footage Shows A Breach By Jan. 6 Rioters From Start To Finish

Two 40-minute videos from Jan. 6 show how hundreds of rioters breached one Capitol entry point and how police eventually regained control.

www.buzzfeednews.com

I draw you attention to the copied frame of the lower video, where a security person opened that door for a number of civilians to go through.

So much for you accusation of a lie. You can apologize now.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Being here illegally isn't a crime.

In fact it is Moon - er Hamish.

Unauthorized border crossing is, but for example someone overstaying their visa faces no consequences beyond the possibility of deportation.

That's all any of these face. Secondary crimes are prosecuted as such.

 

[TangoNoCash]

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Yes in confrontations of government overreach and violations of posse comitatus involving US soldiers being used against US citizens I side with the people not the government. You got me.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

This is going to be a list of citations from non-Liberal / Progressive echo chamber media reporting.
(You need to ask why the non-Liberal / Progressive echo chamber media DIDN'T highlight this side as much as they highlighted the pro-Dem side)

• Suppressed Testimony: The committee allegedly withheld testimony from Anthony Ornato, former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, who said Trump suggested deploying 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the Capitol. The report claims this contradicted the committee’s assertion that Trump “never gave any order to deploy the National Guard” (Fox News, 2024).

Not suppressed. DHS redacted Ornato's testimony for security reasons.

Jan. 6 committee didn’t ‘suppress testimony’ about Trump

Recent reporting claimed the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol hid e

www.politifact.com

• Cassidy Hutchinson’s Testimony: The report alleges the committee promoted Hutchinson’s “sensational” claim that Trump lunged at his Secret Service detail, despite contradictory testimony from the driver and lead agent Robert Engel, which was not publicized.

Yeah, it was a pretty sensational claim, making trump look like the nutbag that he is. But she was just relating what Ornato told her.

Secret Service agents have a strong allegiance to the POTUS. SS text records of the day were deleted by mistake (by the SS), remember that? What Ornato told Hutchinson made both trump and the SS look bad; he had plenty of reason to lie. And if I remember correctly, no matter how much he offered to cooperate, he wouldn't go under oath. Which tells me that he's full of shit.

The testimony that you are after is just Ornato claiming that trump talked about 10K NG being available, but never called for deployment. And we all know that the NG was not called for hours, and we all know that if trump wanted them there, they would have been there.

• Deleted Records: Loudermilk claimed the committee deleted records and failed to preserve materials, hindering GOP investigations. It also alleged collusion with Fulton County DA Fani Willis to prosecute Trump.

Records don't just get deleted; there are always copies, and the government is very good at keeping records. Did they share information with Fani Willis? I hope so, they had a lot of good evidence that should be made available to any prosecutor. But a prosecutor wouldn't stop there, they would always confirm things to their own satisfaction.

Again, I don't know what you (or Loudermilk) think would be exculpatory.

House GOP report alleges Jan 6 committee 'deleted records and hid evidence'

Rep. Barry Loudermilk and GOP House members released a report claiming the Jan. 6 committee "deleted records" and promoted politicization following the breach of the Capitol.

www.foxnews.com

Summary: Loudermilk’s report accused the committee of withholding transcripts contradicting key claims, particularly Hutchinson’s testimony about Trump’s behavior in the motorcade. Specifics:

All of this stuff is just about the SS agents, who were under DHS supervision, and refused to go under oath. They both had skin in the game, and would be weak witnesses for the defense because of that.

 

[TangoNoCash]

You placed a bad bet.

A media coalition that includes BuzzFeed News had petitioned the court to make the footage public, but that became moot once the government no longer opposed it.)

Here are key moments from the 40 minutes of footage. The full videos are also available below
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New Capitol Surveillance Footage Shows A Breach By Jan. 6 Rioters From Start To Finish

Two 40-minute videos from Jan. 6 show how hundreds of rioters breached one Capitol entry point and how police eventually regained control.

www.buzzfeednews.com

I draw you attention to the copied frame of the lower video, where a security person opened that door for a number of civilians to go through.

So much for you accusation of a lie. You can apologize now.

Was that the cop who directed rioters away from nearby escaping congress members saving them and was praised for it? I remember that story.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

The article details Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony during the committee’s sixth hearing on June 28, 2022, describing it as a “big bet” due to its reliance on hearsay. Key hearsay claims include:

• Trump’s Motorcade Altercation: Hutchinson testified that Anthony Ornato, former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, told her Trump lunged at his Secret Service detail and grabbed the steering wheel of “The Beast” when refused transport to the Capitol on January 6, 2021. She also recounted Ornato’s claim that Trump was informed supporters at the Ellipse rally were armed but demanded relaxed security checks.
• Committee’s Acceptance: The committee presented Hutchinson’s account as central evidence of Trump’s intent to join the Capitol riot, despite its secondhand nature. Republicans, via the House Judiciary Committee’s Twitter (@JudiciaryGOP), called it “hearsay” and “a joke,” arguing it lacked corroboration from direct witnesses like the driver or lead agent Robert Engel (Politico, 2022).
• Lack of Pushback: The article notes limited substantive Republican rebuttal to Hutchinson’s specific claims, with Trump dismissing them as false on Truth Social. However, the committee’s final report acknowledged Ornato and Engel didn’t corroborate the lunging incident, suggesting the committee initially accepted Hutchinson’s account without direct confirmation (CNN, 2022).

(Again, need to ask why the non-Liberal / Progressive echo chamber media DIDN'T highlight this side as much as they highlighted the pro-Dem side)

That's not hearsay. Hutchinson related conversations that she was a part of; that's perfectly admissible. Whether or not Tony Ornato was lying to her would be nice to know, but he was unreliable. She had no reason to lie, Ornato did.

Hutchinson was in a great position to know what was going on, so she was a great witness once she got her own counsel. She had little to gain and lots to lose by testifying. Sorry she made your boy look so bad. Outside of the Beast episode, her testimony was pretty well corroborated.

As for the lack of pushback, well, how can they push back against the obvious truth? trump is always full of shit, nobody but his cult believes a word he says. Meadows wasn't around, he was laying as low as possible. What kind of pushback do you envision?

The pro-Dem side was only the pro-Dem side because all the evidence made trump and the GOP look guilty as hell.

 

[venice_ca]

If by the "supreme court" you mean the notorious 9th circuit - I remember. A boot to the face of democracy. That's what democrats offer the nation.



Yet you lost. But instead of accepting the will of the people, you overruled democracy.



ROFL



Yet it was. It was only the rigging of top vote getter that kept him in office. The majority of voters chose to recall him. But once again the party rigged the election so that instead of a recall, there had to be a majority replacement.



Nonsense. Significant reforms have been made.



AI has no credibility. What they claim is irrelevant.


Clearly not - as you support this insurrection.



The city of Los Angeles and the State of California are breaking federal law, wantonly.



Non-violent...

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Then you condemn this insurrection - that you are supporting.



Okay. Still when you wave the Hamas flag, or the Mexican flag at a riot - it has significant meaning. The Brown Shirts of your party in Los Angeles wave both.



When was this? And the insurrection is not a "demonstration" but violent rioting.



4 out of 5 Americans agree, democrats suck.

No point in continuing a conversation when nonexistent facts are used to support an argument.

A claim that the LAPD is today controlled by gangs, but has been reformed is nonsensical.

There are deputy gangs in the LA County Sheriff’s Department, but again composed of deputies. Nothing to do with street gangs.

The claim of rigged elections in California but with not one organization stepping forward to challenge the results in court — doesn’t ring true.

One of the premier international NGOs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, lacks credibility.

Must not live nor work near Tehrangeles if the Pahlavi Iranian flag hasn’t been seen. (Can elicit cries of “savak” when sighted.)

Must not have been in the area in 1992 if the recent scenes in DTLA look like an insurrection. And the term insurrection was not used for the chaos in 1992.

I leave you to your fanciful interpretation of current events. I prefer living in a fact-based world.

 

[Uncensored2008]

For @venice_ca

 

[Emlee]

You placed a bad bet.

A media coalition that includes BuzzFeed News had petitioned the court to make the footage public, but that became moot once the government no longer opposed it.)

Here are key moments from the 40 minutes of footage. The full videos are also available below
View attachment 67574189

New Capitol Surveillance Footage Shows A Breach By Jan. 6 Rioters From Start To Finish

Two 40-minute videos from Jan. 6 show how hundreds of rioters breached one Capitol entry point and how police eventually regained control.

www.buzzfeednews.com

I draw you attention to the copied frame of the lower video, where a security person opened that door for a number of civilians to go through.

So much for you accusation of a lie. You can apologize now.

Are you seriously going to try that?

I literally posted the link to that report back in 2023 when you falsely claimed to have seen a broadcast of police opening doors and inviting them into the building, to show your claim was a lie.

I linked to that same discussion in my post you just quoted.

Incredible. You’re once again cherry picking and distorting, unable to comprehend your own link.

Had you not cherry picked and actually watched and comprehended the entire video you would have seen that in full context that pic you're falsely claiming to be police opening doors and letting them into the building was actually a police officer opening the interior door getting them to LEAVE the building,

Security footage shows those people going through those interior doors and out of the building through the exterior doors.

More of the security footage then shows more people coming into the building which was opened by PROTESTORS/RIOTERS leaving the building.

The officer then tries to stop several others from coming in but was quickly outnumbered as more people came through the doors that protesters opened.

Nice try though.

I’ll take it that’s the extent of your false claims of police opening doors and letting them into the building.

Bad bet, apology..lol.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

There are ways to enter a country legally, then become illegal.Overstay your visa? Elon Musk, anyone?

Not liberal logic, just logic.

You said it yourself.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[multivita-man]

She's exactly right.

 

[Emlee]

Was that the cop who directed rioters away from nearby escaping congress members saving them and was praised for it? I remember that story.

It was a cop holding open the inside doors getting people to leave the building, security footage shows them going through those doors then out of the building. People who had been inside the building were opening the exterior door letting others into the building. The officer inside was quickly outnumbered as more kept coming in.

It was definitely not a cop opening the exterior doors letting people into the building.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

You've got that one flipped around.

No, notice I didn’t say misdemeanor, felony or civil…but illegal. You can still be deported.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Being here illegally isn't a crime. Unauthorized border crossing is, but for example someone overstaying their visa faces no consequences beyond the possibility of deportation.

Yep, deportation, as I’ve said earlier.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Yep, deportation, as I’ve said earlier.

Absolutely.

Now, should deportation always occur on an overstayed visa?

 

[Uncensored2008]

No point in continuing a conversation when nonexistent facts are used to support an argument.

Like claiming the 9th circuit is the SCOTUS? That sort of "nonexistent facts?"

A claim that the LAPD is today controlled by gangs, but has been reformed is nonsensical.

No such claim was made.

There are deputy gangs in the LA County Sheriff’s Department, but again composed of deputies. Nothing to do with street gangs.

Sounds like slander.

The claim of rigged elections in California but with not one organization stepping forward to challenge the results in court — doesn’t ring true.

It not a "claim,' its simple fact.

The democrats rigged the recall. Instead of an up down vote on Newsom, the rigged vote held that one of the 5 other candidates had to have a greater number of votes than Newsom. In fact he overwhelmingly lost, but the vote was split between the 5 contenders. The election was rigged - pure and simple - indisputable fact.

One of the premier international NGOs, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, lacks credibility.

Amnesty International is a Marxist advocacy group. They are as credible as Hamas.

Must not live nor work near Tehrangeles if the Pahlavi Iranian flag hasn’t been seen. (Can elicit cries of “savak” when sighted.)

No idea what your red herring fallacy is supposed to represent.

Must not have been in the area in 1992 if the recent scenes in DTLA look like an insurrection. And the term insurrection was not used for the chaos in 1992.

In what area? I was working at at Telegraph and Florence. Had a gun pointed at me by passenger in a car - made a quick right and escaped it. This reminds me of that.

I leave you to your fanciful interpretation of current events. I prefer living in a fact-based world.

Looks like you prefer party propaganda.