ICE raids across L.A. spark backlash; Trump officials vow to continue operations

[Linuxcooldude]

It's because illegal immigrants are fundamentally good people, and it's totally ****ed up when racist asshole Trump supporters treat them like animals.

I suppose a poor bank robber can have a legitimate reason for robbing a bank.

 

[venice_ca]

The ballot initiative that overwhelmingly won? But democrats hate democracy, and overruled the vote of the people of California in order to continue the colonization.

Surely you remember that the Supreme Court reviewed the law enacted by that initiative (Save Our State) and declared it unconstitutional. All that prejudicial ramped up by Wilson inspired Latino activists to voter registration drives in their communities, and for permanent residents to apply for citizenship in order to vote.

California is notorious for rigged elections - think the utterly absurd Newsom recall - where again the vote of the people what shit all over. Regardless, the ideal of a Hispanic voting block is dissolving, even in California.

No evidence has been presented that California elections have been rigged. If there were evidence, the CA GOP would be filing lawsuits. Unless you maintain that the CA GOP is incompetent.

After Newsom had comfortably won an election there was little expectation that a recall would be successful. Do you not remember the anger at millions of CA tax dollars being wasted on a recall election that was doomed to fail?

Also that water is wet.

So by maintaining — twice — that the LAPD is corrupt, you are effectively refuting your claim that reforms were made prior to the department being brought under a federal consent decree.

Funny, I remember a report by Amnesty International on abuses by the LAPD; that’s how bad the situation was before the Dept of Justice was involved.

You support insurrection and colonization of the United States. That is the reality.

I support the rule of law, by federal, state, and municipal governments, and by those living in the U.S.

Government institutions calling for the law to be respected must themselves respect our laws.

I support those who choose non-violent civil disobedience.

Attacks on persons, whether in uniform or civilian, are unacceptable.

I support the first amendment — any flag may be seen in public.

I don’t remember any handwringing when the Pahlavi Iranian lion-and-scimitar flag was present at demonstrations.

I've said before, there is no reconciliation possible between democrats and Americans. One will win, one will lose. With 19% approval, it doesn't look like the democrats are winning.

Hyperbole acknowledged.
We shall see.

 

[JMB1911A1]

“It has been incredibly painful to witness the arrest of my father and of his co-workers,” said Saraí Ortiz, who said her father, José Ortiz, was among those arrested.

“My father gave 18 years of his life to this company,” she said at a news conference outside the site of the raid Friday. “He was always here. He was a loyal worker.”
A young man who identified himself as Carlos said he considers his brother, José, to have been “kidnapped,” because his brother was taken by force in the Ambiance raid and is being held without being able to contact relatives or lawyers, which he said is the definition of kidnapping.

“The only crime he committed was trying to live a better life and trying to get ahead and work. Because of that dream, I had to witness him being chained up like he was some dangerous animal. The whole process wasn’t just inhumane; it was illegal,” Carlos said.
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This is not only insane, it's insanely cruel, and it is protecting no one from foreign threats.

Other than the crime of being in the country illegally.

 

[ClaraD]

I suppose a poor bank robber can have a legitimate reason for robbing a bank.

This isn't ****ing robbing a bank...illegal presence in the country is a civil infraction, not a criminal one...

You ignored that Trump was convicted of 34 felonies and indicted for more so spare me the bullshit.

 

[ClaraD]

Other than the crime of being in the country illegally.

illegal presence isn't a crime...it is a civil infraction...

 

[Callen]

I suppose a poor bank robber can have a legitimate reason for robbing a bank.

Trumpers have a fundamental, almost visceral need to demonize and vilify these people. Send them all back if it makes you happy but do it because you don't want them in your country not because they are terrible people. They aren't. This need to demonize them is to soothe their conscience.

 

[JMB1911A1]

illegal presence isn't a crime...it is a civil infraction...

First count is a misdemeanor. Second and subsequent counts are felonies.

 

[Nickyjo]

It most certainly shouldn't be controversial. But many, maybe even most, on the left have now decided to go fully in on prioritizing those in our country illegally over U.S. citizens and fully in on deliberate (and even violent and destructive) opposition to the enforcement of federal immigration law.

At this point, many of us are left with the option of watching this play out - and the outcome will be a most important one.

I'm simply astounded, following our most recent presidential election and what we learned from the result of that election, that the left has chosen this particular battle as one to go all in on. To my thinking, it seems like an insane choice - maybe stemming from a place of disorganized and confused desperation.

The insanity is in the Oval Office. The left is not prioritizing illegals over citizens, it is simply not demonizing them, as Trump has demonized all types of immigrants since descending the escalator years ago. It’s his thing, his revival of the anti-immigrant Know-Nothings and KKK of years past, bigotry that often surfaces following periods of immigration when new nationalities show up.

 

[Callen]

Surely you remember that the Supreme Court reviewed the law enacted by that initiative (Save Our State) and declared it unconstitutional. All that prejudicial ramped up by Wilson inspired Latino activists to voter registration drives in their communities, and for permanent residents to apply for citizenship in order to vote.


No evidence has been presented that California elections have been rigged. If there were evidence, the CA GOP would be filing lawsuits. Unless you maintain that the CA GOP is incompetent.

After Newsom had comfortably won an election there was little expectation that a recall would be successful. Do you not remember the anger at millions of CA tax dollars being wasted on a recall election that was doomed to fail?



So by maintaining — twice — that the LAPD is corrupt, you are effectively refuting your claim that reforms were made prior to the department being brought under a federal consent decree.

Funny, I remember a report by Amnesty International on abuses by the LAPD; that’s how bad the situation was before the Dept of Justice was involved.



I support the rule of law, by federal, state, and municipal governments, and by those living in the U.S.

Government institutions calling for the law to be respected must themselves respect our laws.

I support those who choose non-violent civil disobedience.

Attacks on persons, whether in uniform or civilian, are unacceptable.

I support the first amendment — any flag may be seen in public.

I don’t remember any handwringing when the Pahlavi Iranian lion-and-scimitar flag was present at demonstrations.



Hyperbole acknowledged.
We shall see.

You go girl!

 

[ClaraD]

First count is a misdemeanor. Second and subsequent counts are felonies.

Wrong...illegal entry is a misdemeanor....illegal presence is a civil violation and btw, a criminal charge results in the right to an attorney and trial by jury.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Wrong...illegal entry is a misdemeanor....illegal presence is a civil violation and btw, a criminal charge results in the right to an attorney and trial by jury.

Wrong. 8 USC 1325

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Any crime with a sentence that could exceed a year is considered a felony.

Felony vs. Misdemeanor: What's the Difference?

Navigating the U.S. legal system can be daunting. One fundamental distinction in criminal law is whether an offense is classified as a felony or misdemeanor. This classification is based on the seriousness of the crime and potential punishments. Felonies represent more serious criminal conduct...

govfacts.org

A felony is considered a serious crime. The most common characteristic across jurisdictions is the potential for imprisonment for more than one year.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Wrong. 8 USC 1325

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Any crime with a sentence that could exceed a year is considered a felony.

Felony vs. Misdemeanor: What's the Difference?

Navigating the U.S. legal system can be daunting. One fundamental distinction in criminal law is whether an offense is classified as a felony or misdemeanor. This classification is based on the seriousness of the crime and potential punishments. Felonies represent more serious criminal conduct...

govfacts.org

A felony is considered a serious crime. The most common characteristic across jurisdictions is the potential for imprisonment for more than one year.

That's the law for illegal entry - not illegal presence.

Read the post you responded to.

 

[JMB1911A1]

That's the law for illegal entry - not illegal presence.

Read the post you responded to.

How the **** are you present in the country if you don’t enter it?

The hoops that your side will jump through to protect illegal alien criminals is amazing.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

How the **** are you present in the country if you don’t enter it?

The hoops that your side will jump through to protect illegal alien criminals is amazing.

Nothing funnier to me than watching you guys lash out like spoiled children whenever you're proven wrong.

Do you really think it's a good look?

 

[Callen]

Nothing funnier to me than watching you guys lash out like spoiled children whenever you're proven wrong.

Do you really think it's a good look?

Actually they do!

 

[eohrnberger]

How quickly we forget.

I have forgotten nothing.

Pelosi suggested an independent commission with equal numbers from each party, but that was ended by a GOP “politically motivated hit job.” So she then named the committee, with five of its members named in consultation with the republicans. There followed another “politically motivated hit job” on very conservative Liz Cheney for her work on the committee.

That Committee was always going to be a “politically motivated hit job” regardless of which way Pelosi went about raising it.
Why?
Because Pelosi and the Democrats were running the entire show, and I use the word 'show' purposefully.

 

[gbg3]

The insanity is in the Oval Office. The left is not prioritizing illegals over citizens, it is simply not demonizing them, as Trump has demonized all types of immigrants since descending the escalator years ago. It’s his thing, his revival of the anti-immigrant Know-Nothings and KKK of years past, bigotry that often surfaces following periods of immigration when new nationalities show up.

Deporting people who have no legal right to be here, is not "demonizing". It's conducting perfectly appropriate deportations.

These individuals have been given the opportunity to leave (with transportation provided) back to the country they came from. This is not suddenly their country because they got away with entering it illegally. If, however, they do leave willingly, some of them will maintain the right to later try to enter via legal means.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Nothing funnier to me than watching you guys lash out like spoiled children whenever you're proven wrong.

Do you really think it's a good look?

But strangely enough you haven’t answered the question.

 

[venice_ca]

Surely you remember that the Supreme Court reviewed the law enacted by that initiative (Save Our State) and declared it unconstitutional. All that prejudicial ramped up by Wilson inspired Latino activists to voter registration drives in their communities, and for permanent residents to apply for citizenship in order to vote.

That would be the California Supreme Court that declared the law unconstitutional.

 

[eohrnberger]

Deporting people who have no legal right to be here, is not "demonizing". It's conducting perfectly appropriate deportations.

Agreed. But having had this conversation with NickyJo before, any criticism of illegal immigrants, even legitimate ones, are 'demonization' to him.

Much of what he complains about aren't even about legal immigrants, but illegal ones, yet he broad brushes any criticism of any immigrant, legal or otherwise, as 'demonization'.

These individuals have been given the opportunity to leave (with transportation provided) back to the country they came from. This is not suddenly their country because they got away with entering it illegally. If, however, they do leave willingly, some of them will maintain the right to later try to enter via legal means.

 

[Callen]

How quickly we forget. Pelosi suggested an independent commission with equal numbers from each party, but that was ended by a GOP “politically motivated hit job.” So she then named the committee, with five of its members named in consultation with the republicans. There followed another “politically motivated hit job” on very conservative Liz Cheney for her work on the committee.

Actually we need to back up a bit. Pelosi first suggested a totally independent commission similar to the 911 Commission, made up of reputable people of both parties. That required Congressional and Senate approval but McConnell knew the findings would be damning so he forced a no vote and gave Pelosi no choice but a Congressional committee. Facts matter

 

[Linuxcooldude]

That's the law for illegal entry - not illegal presence.

Read the post you responded to.

How is it not illegal presence, if you entered the country illegally? Liberal logic?

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

How is it not illegal presence, if you entered the country illegally? Liberal logic?

You've got that one flipped around.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

How is it not illegal presence, if you entered the country illegally? Liberal logic?

There are ways to enter a country legally, then become illegal. Overstay your visa? Elon Musk, anyone?

Not liberal logic, just logic.